Mafia 69: noXkill - Game over!

[cicero]

Here is a definition of sorceror for folks:

http://www.princeton.edu/~mafia/oldmafia/vr1.htm

I fully expected there to be one in this game. However, at this point I have some doubts about your claim, CKD. Here's why:

Normally the way these games work is that there is a role that is for protecting against wolves and another role for protecting against the mafia. Not odd vs. even. Often it is the angel or the doc for mafia and the opposite is the sorceror for the wolves. Your odd/even mechanic conveniently stops you from being tested tonight and doesnt really go with the flavor. My suggestion is that maybe you spent some time thinking of a role that wouldn't be testable and that would require the revelation of the real anti-wolf doctor to counter. So if you went down, at least you'd uncover a townie power-roll to nightkill. Which potentially makes you a werewolf.

What say all of you to this humble proposition?

What I'd like to know is if anyone has seen this odd-even dynamic before.

[ZONEACE]

there being roles that only work on odd nights, or even nights isn't unheard of, but just my suspicions, coupled with Kison showing up and the conveinently unverifieble role that could easily get a real power role to claim makes me more and more confident that CKD needs to be lynched

[WhoMe?]

i'm not buying it.

if you're lying you won't be killed tonight due to the no X kill. If you're telling the truth you still won't be killed tonight because

a) you have no power on even nights
b) scum will not target you so as to set you up

I think you're lying and you think you can save yourself today AND tomorrow as when dawn comes tomorrow and you are still around, you will go all WIFOMy and claim you have been kept alive as an easy day 5 lynch.

my vote stays

[ZONEACE]

Not to mention he can easily fake verification of his role by having the his scum group not kill on the next odd night. wango bango, he claims he protected someone.

[cicero]

In fairness, not that testing a Doc claim is all that easy anyway.

[Twomz]

I have been in games where there were roles that would alternate on even and odd nights. I have seen double SKs where one is on odd, one on even. And I vaguely remember Docs and Cops having similar splits (it allows for the town power roles to be spread out over several players, but not overly powerful).

The problem is not if it is possible for an odd/even only power, it is if it is probable for the setup. I wish we could clarify dybeck's role better that would help a lot.

In fairness, not that testing a Doc claim is all that easy anyway.

This does not make the claim any more or less likely to be true >.<

[davidangelsummers]

I say we are win, win. We need to lynch mafia right ?and it does not matter if CKD is telling the truth or not he has to give up a scum..If hes town then he needs to lynch scum and if hes scum he needs to show hes Town so he needs to lynch scum. Argue the toss tomorrow.Pressure on Who me and see what happens. Back to Basics. Does this make sense to anyone else but me?

VOTE WHO ME

[davidangelsummers]

Theory: We have one Wolf Cop, one Mafia Cop, one Mafia Protector, and one Wolf Protector... who is dead. Sorcerer is a false claim designed to appear as useful as possible in hopes that his "I won't survive the night, wait and see!" gamble works.

what is this theory based on?

maybe my claim?

Partially. It was also partially based on my making a mistake.

I forgot -- dybeck's dead. He was the doc. The question is -- was he the Mafia-only doc? Or was he an anyone-doc?

If he was Mafia-only... then your claim actually makes a great bit of sense. If he was anyone, then yours makes a lot less sense -- in a game with faction-only docs, why include -two- anyone-docs? But if there were two faction-specific, and one anyone-but-only-every-other-day...

... dammit, it makes sense to me. Sorry, man.

Unvote

FOS[\b] Of course it makes sence you have to unvote. Your smart enough to know that if CKD is telling the truth, then after Who Me your a dead man.

[davidangelsummers]

sorry about the triple post. Im not smart enough to do the

FOS peers

[WhoMe?]

I say we are win, win. We need to lynch mafia right ?and it does not matter if CKD is telling the truth or not he has to give up a scum..If hes town then he needs to lynch scum and if hes scum he needs to show hes Town so he needs to lynch scum. Argue the toss tomorrow.Pressure on Who me and see what happens. Back to Basics. Does this make sense to anyone else but me?

VOTE WHO ME

it's even harder than that. we have had nights with fewer than 2 kills. That means that the scum team(s) have information on the other scum (or protective roles got lucky) Anyone who is a little too on the ball when hunting scum, could well be a scum of the opposing team. Just something to chew on.

[WhoMe?]

umm guys - this game is in the New York forum - games with basic roles only, does sorceror fall into this list?

[davidangelsummers]

nights with fewer than 2 kills. That means that the scum team(s) have information on the other scum (or protective roles got lucky) Anyone who is a little too on the ball when hunting scum, could well be a scum of the opposing team. Just something to chew on.

Dude your hanging yourself here. I have no idea who the scum are targeting thats why I had to go back to basics and choose the most scummy. Which I think is the guy who has lynched the most town. I am aware that some people might know too much.I am also aware now of why Cephir and Dybeck got so frustrated with the supose town. Only one way out of this-Lynch right! and if that gets me killed so be it..

[Dead Rikimaru]

Some observers have seen "mafia" as a set of attributes deeply rooted in popular culture, as a "way of being"

THIRD VOTECOUNT

curiouskarmadog

(5) - ZONEACE , WhoMe? , Kanaga , Flyinghawk , Twomz

WhoMe?

(2) - curiouskarmadog , davidangelsummers

ZONEACE

(1) - Kison

Not voting

(6): Peers , cicero , ChocolateAttack , ooba , IH , Tarhalindur

Needed for a lynch: 8 votes
Negotiable deadline: 27 days

If by deadline no one has 8 votes player with more votes is lynched
If two players have same number of votes lynch is decided by duel

[curiouskarmadog]

umm guys - this game is in the New York forum - games with basic roles only, does sorceror fall into this list?

maybe you should ask the mod this question in bold. (if you really care to know the answer)

[cicero]

umm guys - this game is in the New York forum - games with basic roles only, does sorceror fall into this list?

maybe you should ask the mod this question in bold. (if you really care to know the answer)

Sorceror is a basic role once werewolves are in the game. It wouldnt be the first New York forum gane I've been in with a sorceror and I haven't even been playing very long.

[curiouskarmadog]

i'm not buying it.

if you're lying you won't be killed tonight due to the no X kill. If you're telling the truth you still won't be killed tonight because

a) you have no power on even nights
b) scum will not target you so as to set you up

I think you're lying and you think you can save yourself today AND tomorrow as when dawn comes tomorrow and you are still around, you will go all WIFOMy and claim you have been kept alive as an easy day 5 lynch.

my vote stays

how will I not be killed because of no xkills? scum can kill town. how does the xkill effect me? so you are saying they would want to kill me the night I can actually block a kill, versus a night I cant do anything? You see how this is absolutely ridiculous right?

so you want to hang me today so I cant be "wifomy" tomorrow? very sad. (my guess is he is mafia over wolfs).

also, does it bother you that you have been on the every townie lynch so far in the game? Why are you so afraid to leave me alive and see what the scum will do with me tonight? It would be insane to leave me alive now they rooted me out (with your help of course).

[WhoMe?]

ill try to explain again

Scenario 1 you are lying about your claim and are scum.

result - you will not be killed tonight (scum cannot x kill) tomorrow you would give a WIFOM type argument about how scum had kept you alive to set you up

Scenario 2 you are telling the truth about your role

resulst you have no protect tonight as it is an even night, the scum may kill you, or they may leave you alive to set you up for a lynch the next day


If we leave you alive today the likelihood is that you will not get lynched tonight regardless of your alignment.

[WhoMe?]

OK i have read the wiki on the sorceror role

according to the wiki

sorceror = doc who can only protect against werewolf kills

ckd is claiming he can protect against both scum factions, but only on odd nights

so, the question is, how much faith do we have in this claim? I don't have any.

[davidangelsummers]

Not to mention he can easily fake verification of his role by having the his scum group not kill on the next odd night. wango bango, he claims he protected someone.

Zoneface forgeting about CKD for a minute , what do you think about the who me situation?

[ooba]

I am a sorcerer, I can protect every odd night

I for one believe this claim for now and would not like to see CKD lynched today ..

sorry my bad, But i still like my vote, mainly because of Kison showing up suddenly after 2 weeks of not positng. He shows up
when you're in danger after lurking the entire game.

So if someone who hasn't posted in a while , comes and defends somebody who is danger of getting lynched - that would make them automatically scum buddies? Weird Logic to say the least ..

FOS : Zoneace

[curiouskarmadog]

OK i have read the wiki on the sorceror role

according to the wiki

sorceror = doc who can only protect against werewolf kills

ckd is claiming he can protect against both scum factions, but only on odd nights

so, the question is, how much faith do we have in this claim? I don't have any.

when did I claim I can protect against both scum factions!!?!?!

[Twomz]

You never did, although you never said specifically that you only guard against wolves, you did say you were a sorcerer, which is a wolf only protection.

WhoMe is makin up animals .

[curiouskarmadog]

ill try to explain again

Scenario 1 you are lying about your claim and are scum.

result - you will not be killed tonight (scum cannot x kill) tomorrow you would give a WIFOM type argument about how scum had kept you alive to set you up

Scenario 2 you are telling the truth about your role

resulst you have no protect tonight as it is an even night, the scum may kill you, or they may leave you alive to set you up for a lynch the next day


If we leave you alive today the likelihood is that you will not get lynched tonight regardless of your alignment.

jesus whome...you either want to do the scum's job for them, or you want to direct them on how to act tonight...

how anti-town can you actual get?

[WhoMe?]

CKD - that bird won't fly. You damn well asked me for clarification. Don't complain when I provide it.

[WhoMe?]

You never did, although you never said specifically that you only guard against wolves, you did say you were a sorcerer, which is a wolf only protection.

WhoMe is makin up animals .

ummm no. he claimed he could protect on odd nights. I took that to mean protect against any scum kill. If he wanted it to mean he could only protect against ww's then he should have said so. Is that in fact the lcaim you are making CKD?