Open 54 - Basic 12 Player (over) before 529

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Vote:Tables Bob

The mod told me so.

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unvote, vote:Crub

for a smaller scumtell.

Hint:It has to do with awards

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don't lynch the guy who snuck the money in

We shouldn't take the money and run?

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Billy joe and bobby sue aren't scum. :teach:

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Obviously it means "Finger in gorcats many eyes of suspicion on you"

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Whoa oh take the money and run.

I have a question of Glork, Patrick, and Shanba. Do you think that this is particuarly telling of Elmo's alignment? If so how?

If not, is it just to get out of the random stage?

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I'm trying to decide if it's indicative of anything... hence the probing questions.
Shanba pretty much answered what I was going for... you ask for explanation to get a sense of motive or thought process. His declaration was obviously not-random, so you have to seek further information yourself.

I like this answer from Glork.

I want to

FoS Shanba

since thats what I figured all three of them had done, just leaped on someone for proclaiming it odd.

I'm personally of the opinion it wasn't indicative of anything in the long run. I would consider it a null tell, unless you really consider it buddying up, or bolstering a scumbuddy... I think Shanba was just attacking someone insitinctively. Not actually sure if this is THAT suspicious of Shanba.

I will

Vote:Andycyca

though. Post 42 is essentially repeating questions, even though they were already answered.

Applesauce and his omgus voting in post 44.

FoS

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Your third point looks like you're reaching.

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So you've intentionally posted stupid things so someone wouldn't listen to you?

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Whoa I totally misread that from Shanba, also I didn't see the "Shanba said it"

._.

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Also I withdraw my FoS from Shanba.

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Never played with a Village Idiot?

Does Battlemage count?

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ANYWAYS, can we commence to pressing Andycya plz?

See the last part of post 52

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I defy anybody to arrange these statements in an order where they make any sense. And just why did Glork see the need to chip in at that stage?

Do you think Glork's comment was scummy?

if so do you think that someone can't comment on outside things, even if they've been resolved? Do you think it's possible Glork could have just misread your post? Could it be possible you're misunderstanding Glork's post?

Have things truly come to this? That the premier example of an experienced Mafia elder that occurs to a new player is - Battle Mage?

= ( I agree with this sentiment.

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I would also like to note that Andy didn't respond to me at all = |

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I do not see an Iah behind that [/spam]

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Uh, why do you think Ripley is "fed up with your probes"?

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Wank overestimates his abilities. = )

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Post 52

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Wank, what are you talking about?

First of all look at the rules.
Second of all you overestimate your own abilities.

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but I'm playing Ether Mafia! Not Fresno!

I am voting for Andy(1). I am doing this because he was obviously not reading, as all of his questions had not only been asked, but had also been answered(2). I miss things and am unnatentative, but he would have had to have read like one post and ignored almost the entire page to have missed that. (3) I think this is scummy because he's not hunting scum, but looking for a wagon that will stick instead of probing what it means.(*4)

*Bonus fourth sentence!

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^^ You used up your good luck this month.

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t are YOU talking about?

You over estimating your abilities. That is exactly what I'm talking about.

I'll comment on other stuff later.

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I will comment on other stuff as promised, but i would like to note that not only has Wank's helpfulness improved, his attitude is more sufferable.

Woo!

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If it helps Ethermod I've been sick.

Will catch up soon = (

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I'd like you to answer his question.

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Ether is a cruel taskmaster.

In other words I may get to post stuff today.

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7. 7 prostitutes.









I mean hi, shall catch up tomorrow when I'm on high speed (le wewt for college)

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A SINGER IN A SMOKY ROOM! SMELL OF WINE AND CHEAP PERFUUUUUME.

Going going reviewing reviewing reviewing.[/bardsong]

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Glork changed his avatar to Cherry Cake. ._. Jerk.

The only person I'm getting any protown vibe from at all right now is Elmo, though it's not very tangible, and he might be one of that increasing list of people who always strike me as protown by default. I liked his reasoning for his Andy vote the most out of the current voters (although I think the point about false dichtomy is a bit of a stretch and it seemed like Glork did virtually the same thing). Now I'm thinking about it, Apple also needs to post something, although now it's been laid out I'm starting to think there might be more on Andy. I'd give Andy a higher than 3/11 chance of being scum, but not much.

I need a list of the people who are town by default.
2.A higher than 3/11 chance? 4/11? 5/11?

Crub, post 146, how do I have town points?

I dislike Andy's post 166 I think.

I disagree with Crub's assessment of Patrick me thinks.

I like Patrick's play so far. Townish.

Glork as well.

Ripley's outburst doesn't seem keeping with his character. Especially after open 20 and how he persevered there.

glork: I can't tell who's scum at this point....I find everyone townie but...perhaps ih or sika has a sprinkle of scumness. IH for his possibly random comment which I think was a direct metagame post for the other game I am in now except he is being ridiculously vague about it when I asked. Sika for being a village idiot. I am of the opinion that a bad townie is as bad as scum if not worse. I also feel glork and pat is playing...too much. A lot of exchanges between them and in general. None of the above warrants enough for a vote so...this is going to be a long day.

First of all, you just dislike that I mildly insulted you, and second of all I wasn't talking about that game, since first of all you did nail one of the scums, but not the other. I just disliked your attitude from both games, and decided to try and do something about it.

Besides, even if I was, why would that be scummy, and not just playing around?

hmmm, Why

is

Ether swapping shoes for orphans?

I'd like Wank to answer Patrick's post if he hasn;t.

I don't like Elmo's defense of Wank.

I think you're contributing a lot in terms only useful to you two - I could go and reread Face-to-face, for example, but I hardly have the understanding that you two have of it. I don't find it scummy, but I think that's what he means.

This is false, especially considering Wank's quote Patrick quoted.

I dislike most of post 201 I think from Elmo.... except...

The "Players should always be voting" is actually something of merit that Glork has said before.

Comment on the following two sentences please:
I am 100% townie.
I am a townie.
Anyone is welcome, not just pat.

unvote, vote:Wank

Answer the question. Quit deflecting attention pluz.

I played my last game with andy. Like most of you, he's read up on mafia theory and has a good number of games under his belt. As such, he demonstrated his ability to act like a townie on day one in our game. In other words, I can't read his alignment on day one or at least, I find it hard to do so. Incidently, this is the reason why I find it silly to study so much mafia theory. To hunt scum successfully, one should employee an original approach. For better or worse, at least it's fun.

Why can't you mix the two? Silly Wank.

I feel this is insulting of me to say but when was the last time a cop put up a sign reading radar check in half mile so they may catch speeders? Let's all loudly pronounce our guidelines for scumminess!! Why don't we just call it a game and let scum win. I already have anticipated the onslaught of questions to this comment but save your breath.

This is a senseless argument. I've had it before with Jathan aka ShadowLurker of all people a LONG time ago. We ended up both being wrong, but I digress. Answer the question, divulging why something is scummy is when you say why you think it's scummy.

If not, then you were obviously just trying to make the person look bad and don't have a reason why posting too much is scummy. Just trying to make a productive player look scummy, without comitting.

in other words, answer the question.

Son, what I speak is law around here. If I say Apples is town, then he's definitely, absolutely town.

Glork is funny. He has limited info and making assumptions which he will revoke when someone like Battle Mage replaces Apples

<3

I thought Ether's word was law around here? ZOMG

The 100% town and I am town thing is absolutely stupid. It's like "Only scum claim vanilla!". Sorry, thats not it at all.

I can see you overestimating yourself actually.

TOLD YOU!

Semantics have very little to do with finding scum, usually they get a townie lynched while keeping the town confused. See Open 20 for more info. = )

Moronic? How laughable. If I were scum and forced to claim, by saying I was 100% townie, I would have fooled all of you. Now I am turning into a logic tool like the rest of you so I should shut up before it's too late.

You would have fooled us by thinking you WEREN'T lying, but we would have assumed you claimed townie, and that does nothing. Now we'd lynch you. Shut up.

I am probably a post away from replacing myself. You guys are doing essentially what Oman did in my last game and it's really stupid. But I can't change anyone but myself. It's rather sad that an intelligent community here can be so...unintelligent.

I want a sentence on the votes for me. (Don't post a novel.)

I will testify you aren't playing at all like you did in your last game. You actually made an attempt to find scum. Here you're just arguing semantics. Pointless ones at that. You're attempting to make the game alot more complicated. Town wins when things get simpler, not complicated.

Shanba, what did Patrick do?

Elmo likes Shanba.... who's been posting less than me..... and then comes out of nowhere, proclaims patrick did something twice and votes him?

I truly hate lynching 'non-contributors' but I don't see a better lynch at the moment. And we can't just not lynch people because they don't make sense, because the meta will be horrific. So, uh, yeah. Let's hope this produces something interesting.

So.... why are you voting patrick?

Jumped on a wagon just as it's taking off.

Don't take a guardian viewpoint please.

Wank is being significantly more unhelpful than he was when I saw him as town. I am fine with my vote on him.

I like Ripley's post 280. Feels intuitive and searching.

Patrick and Ripley are having that Brit mojo they had the last two times I played together with them.

WARNING, I skimmed when I did this. Correct me if I made a jackass of myself.

GOGO ETHER'S SPECIFIC REPLACEMENT IN MIND! I KNOW HIM!

Mod

:My vote should be on Wank if it's not.

Your vote is on Wank

now

. Tags fixed.

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Sorry for messing up quote tags. I had hit the quote button, copy'd and pasted it, and then must have messed it up = (

Note-IH doesn't do previews Ripley.

Interesting. Which game?

THe last newbie game I modded. Not 515, and not 440.... 505 mebe?

Now it sounds like you don't think he's been helpful at all. Like Patrick I'd like to take a look at this other game you mention where he was playing differently and attempting to find scum. Especially since we have Crub's opinion that his play here is consistent with his play as protown elsewhere.

Well, I thought he had started back, but he doesn't seem to. His play is slightly

similar

but contrasting the two games, in one he found people he thought were scum, and tenaciously tried to get them lynched. Here he's arguing pointless things.

Don't understand the question. At the time you ask it, I'm voting wank. At the time I said what you quoted, I'd switched my vote to Patrick, because that's the place it stands the highest chance of making something interesting happen, which is basically what you're quoting. Lynching wank gives us very little info, ya?

At the time you said what I quoted you voted Patrick, and that's exactly what I meant.

Question, would you rather have an info lynch, or a scum lynch? (What I mean is, a lynch to get information, or a lynch to get scum?)

vote IH

I've played with IH in a few games before on a different board. He's seemed uncharacteristically quiet compared to his usual townie self. This is something that Ripley has noticed as well.

Do you have anything to say in reply IH?

I've been sick and lurky, as I confirmed in thread numerous times.

Look at Wank! Still avoiding the question AND Omgus voting! Woo!

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Wank you demand info before you are lynched....

but you won't give info on people you want to lynch?

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All I know is that Sikario moved his vote like 4 times on page 16 -_-;

FoS:Sikario

Also the game that I last saw Wank play was actually newbie 506.

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I can haz info?

Someone update me on stuffz.

I made you a cookie, but I eated it.

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Happy first day of Christmas.

I'll post something of stuff after SNL goes off.

I think.

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I'd like to hear more on Boo about Patrick, to be honest. Everyone else has at least two lines, and one of those is someone she can't get a read on. She also explains why Glork is town.

More on Patrick pluz.

Reread later.

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don't tread on me.

Lynch Glork.

In other news, after modding duties this game comes first.

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Gotta find out whether I'll win the bet now, or whether I'll have to wait until a later date.

What bet?

I'm amazed you were able to make that statement about his alignment from his two posts. Unvote Vote: elmo

I dislike this vote.

Unvote; Vote appleof88

His change of vote to IH with the explanation "I like IH's cartoon"... just felt wrong. If he'd said "Shameless bandwagoning", for example, that would at least have sounded honest.

I thought all that banter between Patrick and Glork was a continuation of some running joke between them and didn't say a single thing about the alignment of either one.

This one either.

I thought we were already out of random...

You posted "I think Patrick is town" out of nowhere. Nobody was talking about him, not even posting suspicions and the first thing you do is to throw a comment based on (gut?) only 2 posts.

FoS: Elmo I'd like an explanation on why you mentioned Patrick so suddenly.

This still stinks to me. You know he was reading the page. Look at the bolded line.

it was just a lame arse comeback
like when some says
"that drawing is rubbish?" and then you say "your face is rubbish!"
kinda like that

1.Ass
2.UR FACE

Post 52 is me not paying attention. Woo!

FoS:Me

It sounded like a first vote, not a second vote. First votes frequently have little or no reason, or are plain random, or jokey, and are basically made for no other reason than to get things going. But when someone changes their vote, well, there's usually some kind of reason behind the change, because things are already moving, and replacing one silly vote with another is futile. Even if there's no real game reason, there's usually something - even if the change of vote is made just to accompany a witticism. Here there wasnt anything. And also, appleof88 moved his vote to a player who'd been put on 2 votes just three posts earlier, which caught my attention a bit more than it would have otherwise.

Why didn't you probe Glork for his change of vote to me at the time Ripley? Unless you mean second vote on a person, not a person's second vote, and that's just silly.

Let me double check who is dead before I go any further... JD and Elmo. Kay.

I suddenly dislike post 65. Glork pressed Elmo's throwaway statement about Patrick, but all I got was a Lulz @ IH. I thought mine was a little more greivous than Elmo's.... why did I seem to get off the hook? <.<;

I also dislike Apple's FoS of Ripley in post 69. Feels like since Glork threw some support into it, he's just saying "Yeah! FoS!" Since he even noted that "wow, alot of thought went into that post" earlier. (like when he first commented on Ripley's post)

Thats the second time you've asked me to comment further on this issue. I gave you a detailed account of my thoughts about appleof88's post 32 in my post 53, and as a result have already been accused of overthinking and "reading too much into things". Quite a nice one-two wank and appleof88 have going there; one gets you to expand on your original post, you oblige by replying in as much detail as you can, then the other attacks you for providing the detail that was requested. Cute.

Over re-re-re-reaction. Since Wank said "comments Ripley?" I'm not quite sure how I feel about Ripley calling it a "one two". Why did you leave Glork out of it THIS part of your post, since you mention him in the next part of it, but you say it's a one two from WANK and APPLE. not GLORK and APPLE.

I dislike Andy's post 77. It seems to be the exact oppisite of what I think about them atm.

I think Ripley being reactionary is less from alignment at this point (post 83), and more from frustration. This is kind of funny here.

[qupte="IH"]Do you think it's possible Glork could have just misread your post?

How on earth do I know? I mean, it's possible anybody can misread any post, but unless there's a clear misunderstanding you tend to assume they haven't. I think he might have not read the last paragraph. Did you think there was an alternative interpretation of my post? Why aren't you asking Glork if he could have misread my post? [/quote]

and then I ask him the reverse and don't seem to get an answer.

Could it be possible you're misunderstanding Glork's post?

Again, do you think there was an alternative interpretation that I missed?

I didn't see any traces of panic in his reaction. Only in its sheer amount. Otherwise, I would have opted for a vote over finger. I feel more pressure may reveal more?

Now that votes against andy is piling up, I should get reading...

I feel this is kind of a lame excuse.

I still can't get a read on andy.

But reading back, I noticed a few things...

Has sika contributed anything worthwhile besides acting as the village idiot?

54 and 72 is interesting. So is 77.

Lastly, I am not going to pick apart ripley...at least not yet. But I am amazed you find his posts typical pat. And why so much interest in my pressure on him?

Unvote. Vote: ripley

FoS:Wank

This is terrible. You show no attempt to get a read on andy. I don't see a thought pattern at all. "I can't get a read on Andy" is all I see. You list three posts that you say are interesting. You then say you're not going to pick apart Ripley, ask Patrick why he's interested in the pressure, and then VOTE Ripley. I thought you weren't going to pick him apart?

I guess it's a matter of play style. Ripley exercised fairly considerable effort in fighting my accusation and now he's finally fed up with my probes. I wonder what he would do if half of the people were on his case...

I dislike your "subtlety", which doesn't feel like you're looking for scum. It's just more like you want to see a breakdown so a lynch will happen. In other words, you THINK you smell blood, and want to go after it more. Not to mention, half of the people on his case is technically a lynch.

In other words, you've found something lynch worthy, but it doesn't look like you think it's suspicious, but you're depending to much on others support. The maybe's and wonder's and I guesses are scummy. Quit being so uncomittal. As far as I could tell he wasn't "fed up" with your probes, and was actually probing you, you just were ignoring him.

unvote, vote:Wank

Some of Glork's prodding is weird.

I find it odd that you seemed to imply that he's protown and just not acting well. It's like you're trying to coach/baby him into contributing, assuming that he's having a hard time as town, rather than thinking he may be lazyscum.


At least, that's just how I read it.

and I got a Lulz at IH = \

I like Patrick so far this game.

Post 176 is good from Elmo. I suggest everyone go look at it, and comment on it now. http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &start=175

Ripley is grumpy. Grump.

General gameplay question for everyone...
Which do you generally find scummier: Somebody who is somewhat inflammatory and contributes weakly to discussion, or somebody who posts without adding anything to the discussion?

Why did you ask this question? Is this in regards to Wank? If so, why are you attempting to make people compare Wank and someone else (such as, at the time, JD, or Apple)

Arguing semantics is stupid. Wank declared that he thinks posting to much is scummy, and then claims he never said it.

This should be kept secret but I am of the opinion that those who post too too much is scummy.

I value semantics. The devil is in the details no? Let's take a quick lesson. Where did I say that "posting too much is scummy"? As to the reasoning, think about it. And when I say it, I mean guilt.

Made it to page nine,

unvote, vote:Wank

will finish after I finish help cleaning my house up, kthxbai. <3

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I see an Either that should be "also"

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Sybylance sybilance sibylance....

check check

Err, more stuffz later. Maybe that should be my catchphrase. In all seriousness though I've been busy the past few days. Christmas has been crazy with family, and me cutting my finger and everything. Hooray for three stitches.

Slight extension? Until at LEAST after New Years? THis is a pretty hectic time of the year... PLEEEAAAASE.

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Well I blame the mod, since I double checked and am too lazy. If we're really in Lylo, it's time for me to claim.

I'm the cop. INvestigated Wank night 1, got innocent.

Investigated Glork last night, got innocent as well.

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EBWOP:I know I pushed and even voted for Wank yesterday, but I pretty much forgot I had even investigated him (Hides from Ether).

I investigated Glork because, well, he didn't die night 1. You can't just trust that, can you?

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Sorry I've been out of town the last few days so I have had a legitimate excuse this time.

I dislike Crub's response for some reason, and will probably read the last day ONLY, and maybe only the last half.

Has everyone checked in since I've claimed?

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weird ploy and his purported conclusions from it. Then does the whole WIFOM about the nightkills. My read, probably scum. vote: Crub [/quote]

I would agree with this analysis though.

Post 488 is just as useless as mine, but five times as dangerous. I dislike the random patrick vote thrown onto Patrick by Crub.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &start=488

Shanba, I remember a day when I saw you come online and post in a bunch of other games and distinctly avoid this one. A quick look at your recent posts suggests that date was the 9th of December. I'm not really sure how you can deny spending more time in other games, up until post 490 you hadn't posted at all today despite the fact that the day has been going nearly 2 weeks.

Based on my own lurker tendencies.... I would guess that this is a null tell. I'm tired of seeing it, and it's used on me regardless of alignment. Usually avoiding games is dependent on the amount of work it takes, not entirely strategery.

= ( Ripley had to vote Glork in return. He made himself an easy target by what seems a lack of meta on Glork, his over analytical nature, and by the way he defended himself. = \

Mod: please have a chat with IH.

She probably was when you asked this = P it might not have been a prod though....

I don't think Glork has that much of a meta on Ripley either..... I wish I would have been paying attention, because this is standard Ripley play.
= ( Especially the Patrick Rip connection. They always seem to have SOME sort of connection.

I see Shanba throwing his support on the Rip wagon, and I like his the least, but I would have probably agreed with him after he brought this up from Rip on Day 1

For persistent refusal to post content for the whole of the day; consistent neglect over a sustained period that can't be put down to exams, holidays, illness etc etc. In a game where there's been a general feeling that nobody's been all that scummy, and people are struggling to find good reasons to vote, I think we might as well use the opportunity to ditch some deadwood. There's no reason to expect his play to change and the problem he presents will become ever more acute as numbers lessen.

Also, while I haven't played with Glork before he clearly has a fine reputation as a scumhunter, and has already listed half the players as protown: Crub, Elmo, IH, Glork, Andy, apple. If you put your faith in Glork here and believe he's protown, the chances of JDodge being scum look encouraging.

Which looks scummy after the fact that he attacks Glork the next day = (

Andy and Crub seem to have posted just about as much as me, and not much more so far.

Oh shiz Crub posts a bandwagon vote for Rip "in the name of progress", and nothing else. I'm kind of certain this guys scum.

525 I'm unsure of.... Andy suddenly looks like he's lurker hunting, like he was only voting me until I posted something. While I find Crub suspicious, if Andy is scum, it looks like it's possible that Crub could be town. It's either distancing or lurker hunting.

Despite the incredible scumminess of Crub..... I think it's more likely that Andy is scum. Andy's need to only stay current with who's actually posting and mostly not much else and ignoring the argument against Ripley makes me feel like he's scum.

So today I'd say the correct play is Andy.

unvote if voting, Vote:Andycya

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Holy frick. Some of my reread got cut off. I thought I even previewed it.

= ( I'm sad. Andy is still the play. Crub is a likely scumbuddy.

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Andy for only keeping up on lurkers, and NOTHING else. I gather that it is more likely that you're scumbuddies the way he tried to deflect attention from you on day 2. You're both lurking almost as bad as I was.

I', mistaken when I said you are his scum buddy in my last post. It is a possibility.

I mourn the loss of over half of my day 2 read = (

Evidence strongly pointing to an Andy/Crub connection.

Actually I'm more worried about IH than Crub, as he has posted less in this game. I remember him saying he was ill...

Appleseed, what do you think of yesterday's lynch?

Strong evidence that Andy could be lurker hunting only.

Nice posting IH. I don't like you asking for a Glork lynch and then voting Wank, but that's just a feeling.
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176 makes a very decent point. I don't have anything else to add. Why you point it? Also, I noticed Crub's reason for voting Patrick. Crub, you mean you're following Glork's lead?
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Deadline is coming and judging from the latest posts from both IH and Crub I've decided to UNVOTE. Vote: Crub IH's been giving more of his thoughts and Crub votes "in the name of progress"
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More after some sleep

The biggest problem here is I can't decide if Andy is trying to get a lurker lynch, or switched to bussing (if he's scum)

It seems like on day 2 he avoided everything, and his one post that didn't involve accusing me, fosing me, or voting me (and nothing else) was the last post I quoted by him, completely ignoring the Ripley wagon, and doing exactly what he had been accusing me of (Since I did not coment on the JD wagon)

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I could cite at least half a dozen times where I (as a protown player) wagon somebody just to move along with the day. Is there something specific that makes you think Crub is scum in doing this, or do you just not like the wagoning?

What Patrick said.

Not to mention that that was one of Crub's only posts for day 2? Looked more like he was lurking and bandwagon hopping.

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Wat duz Glork thunk of Crubz zcumz noaw iz a gewd cwashun.

Ah wan toh noo

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Crub, stop being different and conform to the list of towniest to scummiest.

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So are you admitting to coaching your scumbuddy to speedlynch?

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No, seriously. Why did you point out that fact and then vote andy?

Why wouldn't you wait for everyone to post, since Glork had just voted Andy?

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unvote, Vote:Crub

I agree with Glork more than I agree with myself.

Dangit.

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To try to make us not lynch you.

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I dislike you.

no offense.

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EBWOP:sorry I used the fake spelling for a minute

Offence

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Lesson learnt.

Don't go with the easy choice, stay with the scum you first found.

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or else just trust a confirmed Glork, I thought Andy was scummier than Shanba or Pat tbh.