Open 54 - Basic 12 Player (over) before 529

[Ether]

4 Andycyca (IH, Crub, Elmo, Shanba)
2 appleof88 (Ripley, Patrick)
2 IH (JDodge, Glork)
2 Ripley (appleof88, wank)
1 wank (Andycyca)

1 Unvote (Sikario8)

12 alive; 7 to lynch.

Top of the page this time.

Hmm hmm.

[IH]

^^ You used up your good luck this month.

[Patrick]

I find it odd that you seemed to imply that he's protown and just not acting well. It's like you're trying to coach/baby him into contributing, assuming that he's having a hard time as town, rather than thinking he may be lazyscum.

Er, not really. What I said to him applies whether he's town or scum. (If he's scum he's still not contributing, still being lazy, still needs to commit to something etc.) Typically when I kick someone I don't do it from the point of view of them being scum, unless I have a good reason to think they are. Most usually, I throw a few suggestions too.

[IH]

t are YOU talking about?

You over estimating your abilities. That is exactly what I'm talking about.

I'll comment on other stuff later.

[wank]

My abilities of what? To wank? Or to hunt scum. But that still doesn't mean anything. What's your point? That's one bizarre and random comment.

[wank]

I find it odd that you seemed to imply that he's protown and just not acting well. It's like you're trying to coach/baby him into contributing, assuming that he's having a hard time as town, rather than thinking he may be lazyscum.

Er, not really. What I said to him applies whether he's town or scum. (If he's scum he's still not contributing, still being lazy, still needs to commit to something etc.) Typically when I kick someone I don't do it from the point of view of them being scum, unless I have a good reason to think they are. Most usually, I throw a few suggestions too.

I agree with pat. You are reading too much into it glork.

[Shanba]

Unvote

Reasonably happy with Andy's response.

IH, I'm not seeing what you're getting at with wank.

Glrok, curious as to what you think of Sikario.

[Glork]

Eh. I'm not really sure yet. I don't have much of a read on Sikario either way.


Patrick: In your opinion, how does your treatment of Sikario differ from your treatement of me D1 in FTF? What are some similarities?

[Sikario8]

Happy holidays, everyone.

A WEEK OUT OF SCHOOL!

[Patrick]

Patrick: In your opinion, how does your treatment of Sikario differ from your treatement of me D1 in FTF? What are some similarities?

Quite different if I remember. I ignored you for most of day 1 in FTF, because I knew that acting crazy was part of your repetoire, and I wondered what it might lead too. I considered, and still consider, you a better player than me, so I decided you were doing it for some purpose, and that if you were scum hiding behind it, you would be attacked later, and forced to justify your actions and tell us what you'd achieved. I think I FoSed you late day 1 for a clear inconsistency, and pressured you early day 2 until you cleaned your act up. With sikario, having taken a brief look around the site, I consider him to be a newbie, and have seen him acting similarly in other games. Unlike you in FTF, I don't think there's any possible deeper or cunning plan in his play if he's protoown, I just think he's being lazy/spammy. So, obviously, I addressed him differently.

That was fun, but what was the point?

(Above line stolen from Ether, in Farscape Mafia).

[Patrick]

Not much, from this boring town, being controlled by you
You're neutral.
Andy gets town points.
Elmo loses town points.
Shanba is neutral.
Patrick loses town points.
IH gets town points.

What led you to these conclusions?

[IH]

I will comment on other stuff as promised, but i would like to note that not only has Wank's helpfulness improved, his attitude is more sufferable.

Woo!

[wank]

And your attitude and helpfulness have dropped.

[Andycyca]

Shanba, why are you reasonably happy with my answer? Is there anything else I have to answer to?

[Shanba]

I'm reasonably happy with your response because it makes some sort of sense. I'm not more than that because the comment about gut feelings not being good enough to wrok with (or something like that) irks me. But I was voting you to respond to IH, and you have done so.

[Elmo]

I'm sitting tight on Andy, by the way. I have no idea why I lose town points with Crub. Eh. I'm curious for the reasoning behind some of that too, I guess, mostly because there's nothing else going on.

This is one of those times where I'm not sure if I should say the things I can think of, and I wish I could think of something else that would start conversation, because there needs to be more happening. Eeeh.

[Andycyca]

have no idea why I lose town points with Crub.

He has failed posting how he came to those conclusions. I think we all have the same question.

[Glork]

Patrick: In your opinion, how does your treatment of Sikario differ from your treatement of me D1 in FTF? What are some similarities?

Quite different if I remember. I ignored you for most of day 1 in FTF, because I knew that acting crazy was part of your repetoire, and I wondered what it might lead too. I considered, and still consider, you a better player than me, so I decided you were doing it for some purpose, and that if you were scum hiding behind it, you would be attacked later, and forced to justify your actions and tell us what you'd achieved. I think I FoSed you late day 1 for a clear inconsistency, and pressured you early day 2 until you cleaned your act up. With sikario, having taken a brief look around the site, I consider him to be a newbie, and have seen him acting similarly in other games. Unlike you in FTF, I don't think there's any possible deeper or cunning plan in his play if he's protoown, I just think he's being lazy/spammy. So, obviously, I addressed him differently.

That was fun, but what was the point?

(Above line stolen from Ether, in Farscape Mafia).

Trying to get a feel for your thought proceses. Your response was about what I would expect -- benefit of the doubt for relative newbiness.

Unvote

[Crub]

Not much, from this boring town, being controlled by you
You're neutral.
Andy gets town points.
Elmo loses town points.
Shanba is neutral.
Patrick loses town points.
IH gets town points.

What led you to these conclusions?

Andy responded well,
Elmo's response was laughable,
Shanba was ok
I thought your ignoring the entire thing and asking andy's opinion in the middle of the whole thing strange,
IH handled himself well

[Patrick]

Interesting.

The two that I need explaining to me the most there are the two negative ones. What did you find "laughable" about Elmo's response? Your comment on me is blatantly false, and makes me wonder if you're only skimming the game, since in my very next post after your pressure vote on Andy, I commented about Andy (and have continued to do so amongst other things). I also find it strange that you've targetted me for this, when several people actually

have

completely ignored the Andy wagon. Explain?

[Andycyca]

I thought my wagon was a pressurewagon

[Crub]

Interesting.

The two that I need explaining to me the most there are the two negative ones. What did you find "laughable" about Elmo's response? Your comment on me is blatantly false, and makes me wonder if you're only skimming the game, since in my very next post after your pressure vote on Andy, I commented about Andy (and have continued to do so amongst other things). I also find it strange that you've targetted me for this, when several people actually

have

completely ignored the Andy wagon. Explain?

Wow, how about I revise my statement and say that if you feel "targetted" by the statement "Patrick loses town points." I am even more concerned.

[Patrick]

Or how about you actually explain why you think I ignored the whole situation when I have made comments directly about Andy and the wagon. I don't see what you're getting at with the "targetted" thing. You're saying I've done something which I clearly haven't, whilst ignoring people who actually did. Why?

[Crub]

You acknowledged that there was a wagon on Andy, you lended minor support and then proceeded to ignore it that's the way I read it.

Glork asked me what I thought of responses in relation to the andy wagon, I gave my thoughts. If you disagree with my thoughts that's up to you. If you feel that I'm "targetting" you when I clearly wasn't it, that concerns me.

[Patrick]

You acknowledged that there was a wagon on Andy, you lended minor support and then proceeded to ignore it that's the way I read it.

Well, to some extent mafia is a game of intepretation, but I can hardly ignore it when your "intepretation" is clearly not in line with the facts. I originally commented on the Andywagon, with minor support as you said. I then asked him one or two questions to get a better feel for what he might be thinking. I've since made a post where I clarified my stance on Andy, and mentioned Elmo's case against him. So to say that I ignored it completely is clearly not true. Nor did I voice minor support and "proceed to ignore it".

Glork asked me what I thought of responses in relation to the andy wagon, I gave my thoughts. If you disagree with my thoughts that's up to you.

Well yeah, I know it's up to me whether I agree with them or not. But I think it's reasonable to pick apart your thought processes to see if they're legit.

As for "targetting", it seems like semantics. I think it's quite clear what I'm getting at. It seems that you think it's scummy to ignore the Andy issue, and you've accused me of doing that. Why have you overlooked a bunch of people who haven't commented on Andy at all? Also, you haven't answered my question about Elmo.