Dragon Age Mafia [Game Over]

[Luna Fox]

Sigh...
This is why we cant have nice things.

[Luna Fox]

Well anyways since Dunnstral unvoted imma bring FU back to L-1
VOTE: FU

[Luna Fox]

Well okay that's something.
Anyways im heading to bed. I most likely will be busy all morning and afternoon.

[Luna Fox]

Don't hammer until at least Yume posts some content holy shit

Does Yume ever post content...

[Luna Fox]

Either way im heading to sleep.

[Luna Fox]

Luna, don't investigate me or motoko or somebody high profile that will get NK'd. Investigate low profile players or lurkers who we have far less information on. If you investigate me and I die it's basically a scum claim tomorrow.

I wont be outing my results tomorrow regardless, I'll leave them on my Last Will or out them when im out of uses.
I'm not even sure if im being Warden tonight for starters.

[Luna Fox]

Vote: ABR

[Luna Fox]

Vote: ABR

What was your result?

It's in my last will.
I'll out all results once i have done all scans, since at that point it's pointless to hide them.

[Luna Fox]

dont speedlynch until warden stuff is solved however

[Luna Fox]

i think he meant "hood" not "good"

[Luna Fox]

I dont think rb's scum, i said this yesterday (i think?), nothing posted today has made me change my mind on them

[Luna Fox]

Oh btw, I slipped that my warden power gets powerful later in the game, and it looks like there's some people desperate to lynch me early on. I wonder why???

I would have rather you not mention this here ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

I really hope you guys arent planning on bringing back the toxicity from D1.
We talked about this yesterday, focus your efforts in finding scum.

@rb: I assume you think scum is trying to push a lynch of you due to your "slip"? who do you think they are?

[Luna Fox]

Oh btw, I slipped that my warden power gets powerful later in the game, and it looks like there's some people desperate to lynch me early on. I wonder why???

I would have rather you not mention this here ^_^;;

You are the last person who I thought would say something like that

Yes i know, let's just have 1 derp person instead of 2 ^^

[Luna Fox]

Scum are in Cakez/Rat/TBB and the longer Titus tunnels pointlessly the more I think it could be M&S too.

Ok so let me help you out.
You say that scum wants you lynched due to your slip.

There's 4 people in Orlais: You, ABR, Masq, Shadow (and rip FU).

By this it means that if scum got that info SOMEONE in Orlais must be scum, who is it, coz it certainly it's not in your current reads.

[Luna Fox]

P-edit Luna I slipped in MAIN thread ffs.

Oh I missed it...

[Luna Fox]

Srsly get me out. It's optimal for town.

If you're town, lynching you is certainly not optimal. Stop AtEing, take a chill pill and come with a clear head.
There's zero scum dead and despite a no kill night that doesnt mean we're ahead.

[Luna Fox]

We should vote in the same wardens we voted in yesterday so Luna can be doc'd again ^_^

We can't, same warden cant be chosen twice in a row the mods said, except for Orlais.

[Luna Fox]

But ABR claimed Mage flavor when counter claiming me, then found out cop is more aligned with Warriors, it's pretty clear he was fake claiming why is it so hard to lynch a fake claim?
Just like we got 2 assasin rogue claims that one is a tracker and another is something similar.

[Luna Fox]

Titus if this lynch goes through

It will

and ABR is town

He's not

I am going to vote you for the rest of the game regardless of what I think your alignment is btw.

So this probably isnt going to happen anyway.

[Luna Fox]

It is 100% impossible for PeregrineV to be 2-shot day lie detector. Because he is not warden and there are only warden abilities.

But he already said that he wasnt that, are you reading the thread?

[Luna Fox]

Oh wait nvm he said that on Tevinter, i misremembered (it did happen after your accusation however)

[Luna Fox]

Btw if i was warden last night i cant be warden tonight, but if i wasnt im going to be warden tonight.

[Luna Fox]

Oh wait nvm he said that on Tevinter, i misremembered (it did happen after your accusation however)

What?

Okay, you have to paraphrase everything he said. He's obviously backtracking from his scumslip, and afraid to post it in the thread, only in the neighborhood who are deluded into thinking they are masons.

Dont buy into ABR's lies, he's been obviously pushing as if there's guaranteed scum on my hood, that makes it more likely it's all town.

[Luna Fox]

... lol
Btw do you think (and using iroa's wording here because im liking them) a town-aligned player would tell a claimed cop to not scan them?

[Luna Fox]

You can do better.

Dunn would become town. That is really the only major change in my reads that would occur I think.

What would you think of his push against Tevinter. What would you make of him being kingmaker in Orlais.

[Luna Fox]

What if I told you I was a mason?

That would be a non warden ability and iroa will get mad at you.

[Luna Fox]

Kingmaker is random so it is NAI silly.
Not sure I would have to go back and see how hard he was actually pushing Tevinter.

I didnt mean the kingmaker itself, but if he's scum, who he made warden is... very important, dont you think?

[Luna Fox]

btw beeboy with the help of your mason knowledge i think i have pegged most of the scumteam now as long as it's not a lie.

[Luna Fox]

Antiva's night only chat as well either way.

[Luna Fox]

Nah i believe it, rb's dependance on sheeping beeboy points to him having inside information of his alignment. It would've been a long con prepared plan for it to be fake.

[Luna Fox]

Okay, I guess. I think PeregrineV could be scum-aligned still, but much less likely.

VOTE: Radical Rat

You should vote scum-aligned ABR

[Luna Fox]

Well i mean, im not even trying to be subtle about it anymore.

[Luna Fox]

Titus let's say I am not a mason. Why are you trying so hard to confirm that right this very minute?

Confirming you resets my biggest scumread. Better to do that now, rather than later.

If I am your biggest scum read what are you doing lynching the claimed cop?

Because everyone in tevinter know he's scum?

[Luna Fox]

So when I asked if there was a guilty why you no say yes

I was waiting for more information, because that'd allow to figure people's alignments more easily.

[Luna Fox]

but as i said, dont speedlynch and get your warden stuff sorted out first.
I already got a good enough PoE list of like 5 people aside from confscum ABR.

[Luna Fox]

Luna Fox, did you get a result on ABR of scum-aligned?

Im not even trying to be subtle about it anymore.
I was just waiting to see who voted where and who read who because that's good info.

[Luna Fox]

well rather he copped Darkspawn, but that's the same thing.
P-Edit: Yeah what dun said.
Which is why im pretty sure there's 1 scum between Masq/Shadow.
PROBABLY 2 scum in Aniva.
ABR was pushing very hard to lynch in Tevinter, makes me think all of Tevinter is town.

[Luna Fox]

I had plans of outing the guilty anyway if the lynch wasnt forming, because outright claiming guilty would just blurr associations. Scumhunting what people do based on someone's alignment you know becomes much easier.

[Luna Fox]

I got enough info to form a PoE pool of 5 ppl, i say that was worth it ^_^

[Luna Fox]

beeboy one more thing, if im alive im most likely scanning you or rb at some point, so i need to know if you're serious about the mason claim coz that confirms 2 ppl town or scum. I dont think you're scum but i think confirmation would make people more at ease.
P-Edit: no after your mason claim.

[Luna Fox]

Ok then.

[Luna Fox]

My PoE pool will be in my last will as well as in the nation chat in case i die somewhere along the way.
All with explanations.

[Luna Fox]

That will be confirmed tomorrow that beeboy and rb share alignment. By the fruit cookie test.

I dont think that needs to be confirmed tbh, because if he's lying and got involved with scum (i am townreading both anyway so i dont think this is the case) that would enable a mislynch that i dont want to happen.

[Luna Fox]

If you say so, i dont mind, i dont think they are scum either, if i did it it was just to make ppl more at ease (or get 2 conf scum).

[Luna Fox]

btw friendly reminder that ABR is at L-2, get your warden stuff sorted out (we already got ours)

[Luna Fox]

I disagree on Shiro, she's actually part of my PoE.
TBB i find towny tho.

[Luna Fox]

Maybe Vedith.

[Luna Fox]

Idk if TBB is town because they did choose to acknowledge the post where i could double up a cop action and never actually voted me to become warden.

Not necessarily.
If there's 2 scum in Antiva all they have to do is double up on someone before you get 2 votes since it's plurality and you cant self vote.
If you didnt become Warden then this may give birth to my theory of 2 scum in Antiva, if there's 5 scum however i'd think it'd be 3/2 (Antiva/Orlais) dunno why would scum want to be in Ferelden so there's probably none there.

[Luna Fox]

I think if you dont become Warden tonight there's defo some scummy business going on in Antiva.

[Luna Fox]

Oh, I didn't know it worked like that.

Yeah basically he'd target me N2 so i can use 2 actions N3.

[Luna Fox]

Beeboy, I think you should double up on Luna but I reserve the right to change my mind based on what Random says.

Is the double up save able .

Actually, there's a mistake in your analysis, you forgot to include that beeboy wasnt antiva's warden.

[Luna Fox]

And Shiro's on my PoE list...

[Luna Fox]

And Shiro's on my PoE list...

Plothole. Shiro is likely scum in 3 antiva scum situations, not 2. In order to steal the warden, scum need two voters not aligned. Which means voting themselves is harder.

Well PoE list because Shiro's not townie enough to me, you know how my reads work XD

[Luna Fox]

Spoiler: Giant rant about this game most of you don't really need to read.

I have never suggested a policy lynch before, nor do I ever plan to again, but rb is literally making it impossible for me to read this game. Not as in town/scum read, as in summoning the motivation to actually move my eyes to the next word on the page.

I have a strong moral conviction against replacing out, and this is a really interesting set-up I don't want to abandon.

So fuck it. I don't care how powerful your role is late-game, or how role power even scales like that, I am tired of this.


And one last thing.
It isn't Titus rb. It's

you

. Titus is stubborn, yes, and may even be confbiasing as hard as you say. But this CONSTANT shit-flinging at her and random "Just kill me then" episodes are what make this so unbearable.

I apologize for all of that.
Anyway,
VOTE: rb

I'll move if I see a guilty.

There's a guilty and you're voting a claimed Mason.
But dont vote the guilty yet, we need to get warden stuff sorted out first

[Luna Fox]

I don't think town scumread beeboy and more town townread scum shiro is more likely, but it's not definite, that's why it's a PoE list.

[Luna Fox]

Still we need to hear from Shiro and random.

I'm on board with that.

[Luna Fox]

Btw if ABR flips town we lynch all of Tevinter. Ta.

The only way this could ever happen is if he's a miller or i was redirected, and for the later i'd assume it'd need a scum warden which i dont see happening.

[Luna Fox]

There is a guilty. We still need to hear from Shiro. No one hammer.

We just did

[Luna Fox]

I don't. I make the next warden's take two actions in one night

So you're claiming the same thing as beeboy? or does yours work differently.

[Luna Fox]

I am saddened : ( I was wrong on Felmi but my reasoning was sound

Dont get like this with me, I never said i was scumreading you, just that you arent part of the people im townreading.
HOWEVER, if you were scum with ABR i dont see why you wouldnt claim here to have redirected me to someone else to halt the lynch on ABR, so you're probably town.

[Luna Fox]

Random said he had a motivator style warden ability, but apparently it affects all wardens? beeboy claimed that he had to target someone hmm...
There's also the fact that PV got redirected towards RR.
And there's a missing kill.
I'm pretty sure unless Orlais had only scum ABR, ABR should've given Warden to a scumbuddy, maybe, im not sure how Orlais chat has gone so this is just speculation.

[Luna Fox]

So, I'm gonna roll with Ockham's Razor and say there was no kill because no one tried to kill.

uhh, occam's razor says the most simple possibility for a missing kill is because it was blocked. You said yourself that it's not meta for scum to NK so that's going leaps in logic there, while it is a possibility it's an unlikely one imo.

[Luna Fox]

Because her ISO suggests that she isn't going to say it here. But surely if you have already said this, then why would you carry on holding the information from us to clarify.

Well i mean, im not even trying to be subtle about it anymore.

Luna Fox, did you get a result on ABR of scum-aligned?

Im not even trying to be subtle about it anymore.
I was just waiting to see who voted where and who read who because that's good info.

But if you want me to then yes im hard claiming that i got darkspawn result on ABR.

[Luna Fox]

Well Titus is known for Moon Logic, she's not exactly wrong, but i dont agree with everything she's saying.
There's also the fact that ABR wanted to scare off scans off him AND Titus, maybe it's plausible he was doing it to save titus if i scanned him idk, but with the ammount of info we have right now im more likely to think Titus is town just off the fact that ABR was pushing very hard scum existance in Tevinter when i wanted to make it a Masonry.

[Luna Fox]

So from what i gather.
From Titus PoV we may have a clear or a guilty based off the fact if the NK was roleblocked or protected (or ambiguous if JK), which is information that'd be useful to have if it exists.
There's the possibility of scum forfeiting a kill, which i strongly disagree as to why would that even happen.
There's the possibility of both RR and PV being scum and RR lying about it to protect PV.
There's the possibility of scum hitting BP somewhere.

That's not a gazillion possibilities, but those are the possibilities i see, and it should only be clear if it's the first.
Now if ABR was JK/RB considering i got a guilty there, there's... not much else new, and i'd disagree on outing that result due to the sheer fact that ABR already has a guilty on him anyway.

P-Edit: Oh yeah there's also the possibility of Shiro lying, but that'll be known with ABR flip anyway.

[Luna Fox]

P-Edit: Oh yeah there's also the possibility of Shiro lying, but that'll be known with ABR flip anyway.

Oh wait nvm i was thinking of a scum!Shiro redirecting me to scum, not on the missing NK point of view.

[Luna Fox]

Well Titus is known for Moon Logic, she's not exactly wrong, but i dont agree with everything she's saying.
There's also the fact that ABR wanted to scare off scans off him AND Titus, maybe it's plausible he was doing it to save titus if i scanned him idk, but with the ammount of info we have right now im more likely to think Titus is town just off the fact that ABR was pushing very hard scum existance in Tevinter when i wanted to make it a Masonry.

You find it odd abr never doubtcasted PV despite his insistence on scum in Tevinter?

He did, specially after i claimed and said that PV's supposed lie detector confirmed me he called us both scum.

[Luna Fox]

It's literally the PERFECT bus strategy for Titus + ABR to play, since it plays perfectly off of her 'moon logic', ABR's 'bullying' and their mutual dislike of each other - and they can get away with a whole heap of scummy shit. Or if they don't that kind of bussing basically hard clears them in the eyes of people for the reasons you said.

Maybe, but why would scum Titus do nothing about me getting a scan off if she already knew i was Warden, and it was highly implied from my posting that ABR's "dont scan me" post was making me want to scan him more.
There's 2 possibilities.
Scum didnt try to do anything about me, and ergo, Tevinter's town.
Scum did actually do something about it but got screwed over (Redirection, doctor, roleblock)
On the 2nd scenario the only way i could've been doctor protected is if it came from outside Tevinter, and no one has come forth about it, scum ABR making a NK got roleblocked so they dont need to add their guilty to mine, or scum PV was redirected towards scumbuddy with BP.

[Luna Fox]

Oh BTW Luna, do you not find it weird that the person ABR tried to get lynched in Tevinter was YOU?

ABR obviously knew you were the alignment cop, he tried to rally us all against you. Someone in your hood ratted out that you were alignment cop and he fake-claimed because he knew it'd be a huge blow to town. There is 100% confirmed scum in Tevinter imo, because ABR REALLY wanted you dead.

He also tried to get Dunn lynched, he only counterclaimed cop after i claimed, if he got feed from Tevinter, it was probably from PV who was late to the party, and even then, im not exactly sure PV is scum.

[Luna Fox]

But you do have a point tho, i did have heavy feelings that ABR scum got feed off tevinter and that's why he wanted me lynched, him and beeboy were heavily opposing my plan before even knowing what it was, but you're a mason wtih beeboy so.

[Luna Fox]

How does everyone think ABR would have gotten this Scum feed anyway?

Scum would need to have daytalk for that, which I've seen nothing indicating, and haven't even seen outside of my Newbies.

daychat is pretty common in themes, but you're right, there's nothing hinting towards that possibility, i'd find it very crippling if scum didnt have it however.

As a fun possibly unrelated matter of fact, there was a period of time where newbie games had daychat enabled for scum because most games in MS had daychat.

[Luna Fox]

Radical Rat is... interesting /joke

[Luna Fox]

Luna, Dunn what do you think about RR as a potential bus from ABR?

This seems to be a common train of thought in Tevinter, i have had no reasons to scumread RR so i thought he was likely town due to ABR's push, do you think he's snowing me here?

[Luna Fox]

The thing is with the claimed redirect from PV to RR.
if RR is scum then PV certainly is too.
Which makes it even LESS likely for Titus to be scum.

[Luna Fox]

Cakez does look more passive than what i remember, if you're really masons with beeboy you should ask him, he's better at reading cakez than me.

[Luna Fox]

Both Titus and 100% claimed the same role (im not saying which role it was), but that's good information to know. And if there's scum in Tevinter then they would already know this anyway.

P-Edit: Yes, and i scanned him and he turned up scum.

[Luna Fox]

I thought that was a hammer... lol
ABR is V/LA btw @DGB but he's still scum.

[Luna Fox]

I don't see anything interesting here other than why would Abr pick claimed protective for warden.

I didn't claim protective, I said my role was weak early game in nation - then to my surprise I got wardened

Why didn't you call ABR out on this?

Actually this is a good point.

[Luna Fox]

Just clarifying I meant he had no activity since the guilty claim, not he's had no activity at all.

Talk about all the activity.

Pushed us to vote Luna/Dunn/Rat.

He wanted Luna above anything else. Made me warden Night 1 when I said my ability was better late game (it's neutral really, I just wanted to see what happened) and that's about all.

I want both Masq and Shadoweh to confirm what you're saying.

[Luna Fox]

oh wait Masq rep'd out, then DGB and Shadoweh.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah suuuuure you're town, totally

Vote: Shiro

You're the only claimed redirector, also apparently some of my reads were wrong so i need to fix my last will in the case that i do get ML'd.

[Luna Fox]

Shiro and Luna both voting each other and not considering Random as an option makes me feel horrible about both of them btw ^_^

It has been considered, im fairly sure one of the Wardens from N1 is scum, but Shiro's the only one to have claimed the ability to redirect, Actually there was also talk of the possibility of scum being able to choose their own warden among themselves but we dont know if that's a possibility or not.

[Luna Fox]

Pretend RB flipped Mason what is your POE pool right now Luna?

Well last night i had Shiro/You/rb as scum, rb flipping town, plus something else already tells me i was wrong about both of you so i'm currently re-evaluating a bunch of stuff.

[Luna Fox]

Also I've already stopped giving info out in Tevinter, me getting redirected N1 means there's probably scum there anyway u.u

[Luna Fox]

Luna why did you cop ABR?
What are your reads on Tevinter right now?

Because he didnt want to be copped
Dunn maybe town, Titus maybe scum, Nero maybe scum, PV maybe town.

P-Edit: Because of your D1 play where you seemed to have inside information that i was a cop, plus strongly pushing against my plan, plus changing your claim like twice, plus you seemed to be very interested in my guilty D2, all of those combined were giving me bad feelings.

[Luna Fox]

Like im not sure of anything and i spent the first 24-48 hours of the night phase being depressed because i expected to be quick ML'd today for being an idiot and walking right into the scum's trap.

[Luna Fox]

Luna

- do you think Shiro would have claimed redirector but lied about who she used it on?

There's a high probability of me hitting town with my scan so obviously they redirected me towards scum.

[Luna Fox]

REgardless all of the N1 wardens should die until we find scum, there's defo scum in there i dont see how my results got messed up with otherwise.

[Luna Fox]

And shiro, who's scum after i flip town then ^_^

[Luna Fox]

And shiro, who's scum after i flip town then ^_^

Luna you where town reading ABR I don't get that choice at all. He was also the lone person scum reading you.

I scumread him all D1, specially after his "counterclaim"

[Luna Fox]

The fuck ?! Beeboy you gave her the double up powers???? Are you insane after we lynched her guilty that flipped town?

^
Words of scum whose redirection was with the purpose of framing.

[Luna Fox]

Ehh i understand townreading me, i dont understand why give me 2x action considering i was going to be ML'd today anyway after that framing.

[Luna Fox]

I was going to drive a lynch on Shiro. But like I said#regretlifechoices

Well then lynch me today
And after i flip town, lynch Shiro tomorrow.

[Luna Fox]

I was going to drive a lynch on Shiro. But like I said#regretlifechoices

Well then lynch me today
And after i flip town, lynch Shiro tomorrow.

I have reason to believe Random's claim will solve all my life problems

He claimed your same role tho.

[Luna Fox]

WHERE THE FUCK DID THE NIGHT 1 KILL GO AND WHY DOES NO ONE SEEN TO CARE IT IS GONE BUT ME

We've been discussing where the N1 kill went all of D2, where you didnt seem to care, so why are you yelling like this now?

[Luna Fox]

As for the N1 lack of kill, I discussed it yesterday and reached the conclusion ABR was the warden and lied.

Huh actually that makes sense of why he didnt want to be cop'd... why didnt i think of that.

[Luna Fox]

Ok so what does ABR warden mean?

It means ABR commuted

[Luna Fox]

IF ABR COMMUTED LUNA COULD NOT COP HER.

Titus and Luna are scum.

Or i got redirected. You're not thinking.

[Luna Fox]

But well I was already expecting this.
Titus just vote me, it's clear they wont lynch Shiro until I flip town, I already told you I expected this coming throughout the night.

[Luna Fox]

And this is why you don't claim cop for no reason ^_^

There was a reason, but apparently you're believing im town here? I don't get your vote.

[Luna Fox]

I did say in Tevinter that i didnt care about claiming because i didnt need my ability to find scum, so I was using it as a way to confirm if there was scum in Tevinter, and what do you know, it did that nicely.

[Luna Fox]

Did anyone ask the mod if that is the case?

@MOD Do the darkspawn count as a nation for the purpuse of warden picking ?

We already asked that in Tevinter, the mod couldnt give an answer.

[Luna Fox]

Titus what was your flavor again?

[Luna Fox]

Nvm answering ill just ISO you.

[Luna Fox]

Actually I should've asked Nero for his flavor first...
dratz why am i not thinking today.

[Luna Fox]

The funny thing is it was Dunnstral the one who brought up darkspawn being their own Nation, but the thing is i could've sworn i read that as well (as he claimed).

[Luna Fox]

Z busdrove B and C, and B commuted

If B commutes they cant be bus driven, think logically u.u

[Luna Fox]

if town only have access to 4 night actions every night and these actions can also be stolen by scum and scum have a redirector I will just lose because that is scum sided af

Hmm, i guess.
So Shiro or Random is scum, but Shiro's claimed redirector, Random if scum is lying, Random also claimed motivator...

Hey i got an ida

@Random:

What's your flavor

[Luna Fox]

Ugh I really should've sent a watcher on me N1 :<

[Luna Fox]

Oh yeah, someone said PV supposedly gets more active starting D3.

[Luna Fox]

Ugh I really should've sent a watcher on me N1 :<

If you had the option I have no idea why you wouldn't after I claimed motivator in all honesty

They REALLY wanted me to be cop. And at that time i wasnt even trusting you.

[Luna Fox]

I dropped the WIFOM bomb since i wanted to get a scan off, but people seemed to have preferred to give me Warden while we were deciding and i was already resigned to not being warden N1.

[Luna Fox]

Luna when I was actively trying to motivate you for night 2 on day 1 why did you make no effort of stopping me if you where the n1 warden?

I didnt know i couldnt be warden twice in a row.

[Luna Fox]

I dropped the WIFOM bomb since i wanted to get a scan off, but people seemed to have preferred to give me Warden while we were deciding and i was already resigned to not being warden N1.

Oooook, you do realise then that for me to be scum and you town, tevinter needs to have enough scum in order to elect you warden(since you didnt want to) and antiva to have enough scum to elect me warden, in order for you to check abr and me to redirect you to a buddy right?

Yes, which is why i said that Tevinter def. has scum in it. My Plan did work in the end ^_^

[Luna Fox]

Why would I lie about having a confirmable role? Like your read on me is so odd since even if I was scum I would still need to motivate you. Also why would you sit by while scum became warden if that was the case and you where town reading me day 1.

Nothing Luna is saying makes sense gahhh

Pedit: fair

Long Answer: You'll see why in my last will
Short Answer: If you cant trust me I cant trust you

[Luna Fox]

So why can't Shiro be a scum redirector again?

[Luna Fox]

I dropped the WIFOM bomb since i wanted to get a scan off, but people seemed to have preferred to give me Warden while we were deciding and i was already resigned to not being warden N1.

Oooook, you do realise then that for me to be scum and you town, tevinter needs to have enough scum in order to elect you warden(since you didnt want to) and antiva to have enough scum to elect me warden, in order for you to check abr and me to redirect you to a buddy right?

Yes, which is why i said that Tevinter def. has scum in it. My Plan did work in the end ^_^

Tveinter needs 3 scum to elect you and antiva 4(cause it included me that cannot self vote) You honestly think there are 7 scum ? And even if you assume that ok maybe tevinter has 2 scum and a townie got convinced that is 6 scum and Like you legit think antiva has 4 scum in it.

That is true, however you cant blame town for choosing a claimed alignment cop can you?

[Luna Fox]

I'm only willing to lynch between Random and Shiro today honestly.
But did someone even said they got motivated N2?

[Luna Fox]

Actually it might be Titus, i remember having some reason to thinking she's scum from the way claims went in Tevinter =/

[Luna Fox]

Although then again why is the claimed doc and watcher alive? why is rb dead instead? if there's scum in Tevinter?

[Luna Fox]

Although then again why is the claimed doc and watcher alive? why is rb dead instead? if there's scum in Tevinter?

I don't see why scum would kill RB and ABR if Tevinter was all town and how Titus can strongly believe that is the case after thinking RB and aBR got night killed.

Unless all 3 of those claims are scum, but in that case why not lie and say they dont trust me for Warden. Unless the frame redirect was planned from the beginning but then why arent they pushing me and defending me instead? nothing makes sense @_@

I wish i was just a VT...

[Luna Fox]

You know what, im just going to put all your claims in my Last Will so scum has a reason to NK me if they dont have access to Tevinter's chat.

[Luna Fox]

Moreson if you are town cause they had to convince town to vote you warden

Well when i say something like:
Hi giuys i'm hard claiming 2-shot alignment cop warden ability.
This is something scum wouldn't expect town to do out of the gate and will force them to have certain reactions to my claim, now i dont really need my ability to find scum anyway, so i dont care if you guys trust me or not, or even if im roleblocked, i'll let you guys decide on that one.
On my first post how would you react?

[Luna Fox]

Luna you take those claims out of your will right now and make it clear to everyone you did. If you didn't want me to replace out day 1 you aren't being night killed.

Why?
If there's scum in Tevinter as you say, they already know those claims, or are you starting to have cold feet?

[Luna Fox]

Do we even have a doc ?

We have already mentioned the existence of one (and a watcher) in Tevinter.

[Luna Fox]

We get Vedith to track Luna
Protective tto protect Vedith
Luna can't submit 2 kills and we can confirm she isn't getting redirected

This plan wont work.

[Luna Fox]

2 of them even...

[Luna Fox]

Oh wow i missed that... nice one PV

Vote: random

[Luna Fox]

At this point i just want to die... scum framed me very nicely and i learned my lesson, i'm just getting demotivated more and more.

[Luna Fox]

PV I think that's a bit of a stretch
If *people* would stop lying about their roles then maybe we wouldn't be having these problems, hmm?

Agreed.

Like, I just can't trust beeboy in this game and I don't think I'll get to townreading him for awhile because he cannot accept that town lying without good cause is bad. His claim didn't come with cause at all.

I'll have more to say on this in a day or two.

I can confirm he did double me up tho, and no, dont ask me to paraphrase.

[Luna Fox]

Scum want drama.

Town don't.

And wasnt beeboy trying to prevent that drama from continuing anyway? ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

Ok let's think for a second.
Assume me and shiro are town then it's obvious scum are playing the framing game, so why would they NK rb?:

Btw if ABR flips town we lynch all of Tevinter. Ta.

[Luna Fox]

Hmm i was just thinking
random is claiming redirector after claiming motivator.
It is clear that at least one of Shiro or Random is scum, if this is the case they are the main source my results got messed up with, so we lynch one and dont elect the other warden in case they flip town? or we lynch someone else but still dont elect either of them as warden, or we lynch me and i flip town, and we learn nothing.

If i got redirected it has to have come from one of those 2, so i dont see why this isnt a good plan, and i dont see me getting 2 guilties.

[Luna Fox]

Although if i do that then how am i supposed to know which target is who u.u it doesnt show names in my results.

[Luna Fox]

I am town

[Luna Fox]

forgot about that.

[Luna Fox]

That as scum.i knew about Lunas claim

Everyone did... i claimed here! when people were driving up a lynch on me.

[Luna Fox]

Titus was completely paranoid of the existence of scum in Tevinter day 1 during Tevinter chat because it looked like scum knew what we were talking about in there.

P-Edit: he did

[Luna Fox]

Luna vote Titus in your next post please

Didn't you say there had to be scum in the N1 wardens tho?

[Luna Fox]

I still dont get what is going on, where did Titus claim Shiro knew i was a cop before i claimed D1 >.<

[Luna Fox]

Your plan wont work beeboy, you are really forcing me to saying why it wont work.

[Luna Fox]

It gets you night killed which kills in the pool of people who are potential scum it is a great plan

It will get the tracker killed unless im not warden.

[Luna Fox]

I thought the point was to confirm me, not set me up again u.u

You know what, im done, just lynch me, im done trying to point you guys in the correct direction of scum Shiro or random.

[Luna Fox]

scum are being nice and want to remove toxic players. Come on that is trash

Where did she say that, i thought rb was NK'd due to the mason claim >_>

[Luna Fox]

Luna hurry up and sheep me if you want to self vote because your suicidalism is giving me low motivation to solve this game

Scum framed me and your solution is to lynch outside of the N1 wardens?
Like how the heck does that even fix anything.

Even if Titus is scum we need to lynch the scum redirector today (unless you think Titus is said redirector and had the ability to redirect me without being Warden)

[Luna Fox]

Oh btw speaking of Titus was Warden for us N2

[Luna Fox]

So either way, this was asked of me in Tevinter to paraphrase the result i got:
It said something about sniffing out blood or something on my target and then it said that i encountered a darkspawn.

Make of that what you will.

[Luna Fox]

In all honesty Luna is 99% chance scum as well

Becasue..................................

Because there is a good chance she simply faked a guilty to get rid of Abr

^
Scum

[Luna Fox]

Honestly i shouldn't have ever left that vote

Vote: Shiro

[Luna Fox]

sorry beeboy
There's no way i let Shiro live after he continues to frame me, if i'm lynched please lynch him tomorrow after i flip town, my last will says so as well.

[Luna Fox]

If Shiro isn't warden and therefore not an issue until tomorrow I fail to see your problem here

And are you sure he wont be warden?
Do you plan on lynching Shiro if he becomes warden again?

[Luna Fox]

If Shiro isn't warden and therefore not an issue until tomorrow I fail to see your problem here

And are you sure he wont be warden?
Do you plan on lynching Shiro if he becomes warden again?

My nation already agreed to vote someone else for warden so yes

Ok fine.
Dont make me regret this

Vote: Motoko

[Luna Fox]

Also random should not become warden, and currently there's a tie between me and X in tevinter

[Luna Fox]

I'm done thinking, everything i say is being used against me, ill just sheep beeboy for the rest of the game just like rb.

[Luna Fox]

Titus, who did you act on N2?

[Luna Fox]

The problem is that your words say im scum when im not sooo

[Luna Fox]

why do all of these people want to be lynched ffs

Because my town flip will confirm 1 scum among Shiro/Random.

[Luna Fox]

After hearing Titus action im more down to lynching her.

[Luna Fox]

If she believes im town, then it's obvious scum plan was to frame me, so scum wouldn't NK me when they can ML me, why the heck would you doctor protect me.

[Luna Fox]

After hearing Titus action im more down to lynching her.

You changed your tune quickly...

Her action doesnt make sense to me.

[Luna Fox]

To stop two cop checks.

As i said, why would scum NK me if they can ML me like... a certain Shiro person has been trying to do

[Luna Fox]

Her action

doesnt

make sense to me.

And does that suggest town Titus or scum Titus? Lets be real now.

Probably scum.
She was passing it off by using the same type of plan i had (i.e. WIFOM that i wouldnt be healed while actually healing me), while that wont work because scum had 0 chance of NK me if they were framing me, so i wasnt going to die if i scum, and i wasnt going to die if im town.

[Luna Fox]

I should just go back to "not thinking"

[Luna Fox]

I should just go back to "not thinking"

Good sheep me. I'll get scum guaranteed in 2 days.

I'm sheeping beeboy, no one will believe a word i say until i flip town, ill leave all my thinking in my last will instead.

[Luna Fox]

Btw my Last will is like a diary, my thought process since the beginning of the game is there, it'll be long, but you can clearly see on it how my reads change throughout the game, it'll also be very long, so im warning you in advance to not skip it, if you want my latest thoughts just skip to the end of it.

[Luna Fox]

I should just go back to "not thinking"

But we like you when you are thinking D:

Everytime i "think" you're using it as a reason to

continue framing

me just like

you framing me

with

your redirect

, im tired of

giving scum ammo

to ML me.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Luna Fox

I smell a scum gambit

I got redirected, but considering the scum plan was to get me ML'd all along i've stopped caring, everything i try to do to make people see it just makes ppl want to lynch me more.

[Luna Fox]

I am the only one that could have redirected you and I know I am town and didn't

I also did not

What did you mean here then.

[Luna Fox]

FC im assuming.

[Luna Fox]

If FC confirms that then it's just me vs Shiro then.

[Luna Fox]

Also FC confirming that and shiro flipping town means both random and FC are scum, so that's not a thing i would mind dying for.

[Luna Fox]

I was kinda expecting that.
Just don't let the redirector get away with it ok? ^_^

[Luna Fox]

and was likely roleblocked.

Don't you mean redirected? ^^;;

[Luna Fox]

Isnt framer bastard? (Although i already consider redirector very close to bastard)

[Luna Fox]

I hate redirectors and I hate bus drivers, specially scum ones.

[Luna Fox]

Like at this point i feel like im going to eat a ML and that's entirely outside of my control, specially since i havent been ML'd as town, just because a redirector existed and decided that it was fun to frame me.

[Luna Fox]

Ok make that "Random is definitely town"

Is this confirming rando's action?

[Luna Fox]

Okay then
VOTE: Shiro

[Luna Fox]

Get back to sheeping me right now!

But isnt it better to get rid of the scum redirector right now?

[Luna Fox]

or do you have any adjustments to your plan that would make it worth it to kill Titus today, do you not believe rando's claim right now?

[Luna Fox]

If you are town killing Shiro right now will get you night killed and we will lose our double cop actions.

Well yes, but...

Oh wait right shiro isnt even becoming warden anyway nvm
VOTE: M&S

[Luna Fox]

Regardless is there any adjustment in who im targeting tonight.

[Luna Fox]

In addition to moon logic

Uhh Moon Logic is part of Titus' usual play, Also the fact that i even got redirected means that there's scum in Tevinter.

[Luna Fox]

Really? I have never seen Titus use moon logic, especially this hard before.

She doesnt have the Moon Walker title for no reason.
Regardless i dont think she's town anyway.

[Luna Fox]

Also the fact that i even got redirected means that there's scum in Tevinter.

you claimed cop in thread

Yeah but at that time we were still discussing who would be Warden and there was a high chance we'd switch to watcher or doc.

[Luna Fox]

The redirect means scum could not bypass doc watcher.

Rather.
The redirect means scum knew who was warden.

[Luna Fox]

Also the fact that i even got redirected means that there's scum in Tevinter.

you claimed cop in thread

Yeah but at that time we were still discussing who would be Warden and there was a high chance we'd switch to watcher or doc.

Who would a better redirect target be, than you?

The visible warden random?

[Luna Fox]

So they decided to target me while it was possible a Watcher would be on me? Makes sense (not really)

[Luna Fox]

But i never said who i was checking in Tevinter did i.

[Luna Fox]

You announced you were checking ABR in hood.
Scum redirect you so you get a guilty...
And shoot the guy you're checking so you usually wouldn't look bad?

Nope.

ABR shot clears Tevinter.

I just double checked and i didnt, I just said that i didnt know what to think of ABR avoiding a scan and that I was scumreading Irao.

[Luna Fox]

You pretty much did. I quoted the posts in hood.

Those only show me having suspiciousness towards ABR, not me saying that i'll scan him and im pretty sure i mentioned multiple times that i wouldnt say who i would scan to begin with.

[Luna Fox]

shadowwez: Titus believes that ABR wasnt kingmaker and was nominated Warden instead so scum shot him while he was commuting and that's where the missing NK went.

[Luna Fox]

they just elect the NK and Luna has no result.

Wait what?

[Luna Fox]

I dont really understand.

[Luna Fox]

Uhh Titus why does scum beeboy motivate me? i dont get it.

[Luna Fox]

Uhh Titus why does scum beeboy motivate me? i dont get it.

Not doing so is a scumclaim.

@Beeboy, what makes you think I am negotiating. Tevinter is all town.

Why? My guilty got ABR lynched he had all reason to doubt me.

[Luna Fox]

Shiro/Titus/Dunnstral

That's where i'm at right now.

[Luna Fox]

THe fact no one died proves ABR was warden.

There's zero other possibility, as every claimed warden refuted the heal.

I mean, to you there is.

You'd still be scum if PV is the killer and you were bulletproof.

Or scum hit BP. BP is a passive ability unless you're saying that you need to be warden for those too.

[Luna Fox]

You'd still be scum if PV is the killer and you were bulletproof.

Uhh but RR wasnt the warden and you just said you'd need warden for BP.