Mini 507: Big Brother Mafia - Game Over

[DragonsofSummer]

I don't really like how either of them are reacting right now. But after today I think I have to agree that ryan is a better choice than mneme... he has been acting a lot more skittish with all the attention that has been on him than mneme has. I still have misgivings about mneme, but I am not nearly convinced he is the play for today anymore.

[FaerieLord]

@Chaos. I'll answer that after eviction. Remind me

@Ryan 464: Personal Attack don't help

@Ryan. All of them. Very Very Defensive

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I won't vote ryan yet for one reason. The unvote, vote thing mneme did on CO. It was incredibly scummy.

But yeah, ryan's play isn't helping his case

[ckillor]

I'm leaning towards voting for ryan. I'm still suspicious of mneme, but ryan's acting very defensive.

i feel the same way about it as you do, but i don't think that saying they are defencive is a very good reason because anyone would be in that situation. but i think its more the timeing of his defenciveness that makes him suspicious. waiting up until its time to vote is pretty silly and for the most part too late

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Well it's been pointed out that ryan and mneme have done a lot of talking today. Frankly I'm not sure what else they can say. It may be a good idea for all of us, in the interim, to discuss potential nominees for tomorrow.

Vel, did you discuss your own suspicions in any posts between the time you were nominated head of house hold and when you nominated ryan adn mneme? I know you said your suspicions in the post in which they were nominated, but you seemed to avoid it before hand, sayign you wanted to hear other people first.
I think if you want to discuss tomorrow, you should probably go first, since you are, technically, at least one 'cycle' behind everyone else.

No, I didn't discuss my suspicions before I made the nominations. My PM that I received as HoH said that I would not be voting this week, but it also stated that I would be required to cast the tie-breaking vote if one occurred. From that, I decided to keep my mouth shut about who to nominate because I didn't want it to look like I was pushing for one particular person that I would then have to cast a potential tie-breaking vote for or against. I wanted to remain as neutral as possible so that no one could come back tomorrow and say that I was trying to lead the group.

Basically, I'm treating the HoH position as being the head Supreme Court judge, who 99% of the time sits back and lets the other 6 justices argue the case, and then casts the deciding vote if one is needed, and that way he doesn't influence either side of the argument by his position alone.

peg: If you don't feel that there's been enough discussion from either of the two nominees, that's fine with me. I made the suggestion at the time I made it because it looked like things were slowing down,

again

, and I was trying to start conversation back up again. Neither of the nominees had posted up until then, and we need to keep conversation going in this game, especially with all the deadlines.

I'm curious: do you have a suspicion towards one of them? Hard-line proof is hard to come by in these games, so I'm curious if you have a gut feeling towards one of them.

I don't want to say too much about my own feelings because I don't want to influence anything if I have to cast a tie-breaking vote. A lot of people are leaning towards ryan, but I actually think we may have 2 scum up for nomination today. I think that whoever of them goes today, the other needs to be looked at tomorrow.

[pablito]

1 player prodded

Deadline is in 53 hours away from now. Failure to vote WILL result in modkill.

[mneme]

Eh. Dull debate, but it's the only game in town.

1: First I didn't make a slip, I asked a question about something I wasn't sure of, would you have rather me not ask the question and continue to play wondering what the name meant?

No, I'd rather you made the slip.
Much easier to scumhunt that way.

2: You have been the only one to state I have craplogic and it's because it's against you (which shouldn't be a shocker) but using that as reasoning why I'm scum is just dumb

That's probably because after I demolished you, others didn't think it worth the effort. When you post contradictory statements and unsupportable assertions, people tend to notice, oddly. And actually, much of your craplogic was against chaos.

3: Your appeal to emotion is duely noted, but emotion doesn't no shouldn't win you votes in your favor

Huh?

4: I made a statement about somebody hammering a proven townie, you went off on a tirade and than said you won the debate. HOW did you win? Explain that for me

Blah, blah, hammer, blah, blah, blah. Yahoo.
You made a statement of "FOO is SCUM because of X". But X wasn't true, so your argument was garbage.

5: You did nominate a player you heavily defended against me and did so close to a nomination process,

Craplogic noted.

Ryan, my saying "your argument against PERSON X is crap" isn't a defense of person X. It's an attack on your argument.

I never indicated I thought Chaos' badly structured vote was good -- I just thought your attack on him was awful, and that your manner of play was scummy. "Chaos might be scum because he hammered a townie" isn't true; the placement of his vote was immaterial. "Chaos might be scum because he didn't seem to care who he voted for", however, is.

You weren't getting dinged for going after Chaos, but for failing to back up your arguments while doing it.

6: I stayed true with both of my nominations during Day 2 process while others swayed, so telling me that I switched stuff (or implying) I did the same yet you were called on it isn't true one bit

Yup. You dropped your OMGUS votes and stuck with them, thick or thin.

Wait, is this supposed to be non-scummy for some reason?

I'm not inclined to say who I find suspicous before a lynch/result; it's affected so much by the voting and its result.

[Skruffs]

Vel-Rahn - You posted a very conservative argument there, bascially (mostly) stating why you are choosing nto to reveal your opinions of other players. When more than half the players in the game are scum, every townie needs to be proactive.

Question :
About Ryan (not to ryan but everyone else)
Is it reasonable to thinkt hat Ryan did not claim 'non-floater' week one? Does anyone disagree with that?

[pickemgenius]

Question :
About Ryan (not to ryan but everyone else)
Is it reasonable to think that Ryan did not claim 'non-floater' week one? Does anyone disagree with that?

I really don't think he claimed non floater week one.

which is basically why I hate these damn noms.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Just responding to the prod. I'm following the thread but I'm not really thrilled to post at the moment. I'll probably vote tonight, though I seriously doubt my opinions regarding this lynch will change in the meantime.

[Skruffs]

Okay.
I am getting the same vibes from mneme as I was from maz medias in Exile mafia, whereas ryan is giving my ABS or BM vibes. Both of them are a pain in my ass, no offense intended.

Mneme is kind of acting like he knows ryan is going to be evicted; it takes 5 to lynch.
I was originally going to hold my vote until later, but it seems that this IS later.

vote :mneme

Though I am voting mneme, I wholly support either's eviction. My vote is mostly kharma.

[pablito]

Vote Count

mneme

(1): Skruffs

ryan

(0):

Vote not cast (7): ChaosOmega, ckillor, DragonsofSummer, pickemgenius, Pug89, FaerieLord, KaleiÐoscøpe

With 8 voters, it takes 5 to evict!

Vote Deadline: Saturday 3rd November 21:00 EDT

. This is 28 hours from now. There will be no replacements from this point onward.

Failure to vote (when required) will result in modkill.

[pickemgenius]

ryan's play seems more consistent with ryan-town play that I have seen before. *shrug*

i'm unsure of mneme, and i'm more confident in believing my ryan-town read then mneme-none read.

Vote: mneme

still totally despise both noms.

[Pug89]

ryan:
I've said why I was suspicious of you before, I don't feel the need to repeat it. You trying to throw suspicion on me isn't going to make it less likely I'll vote for you.

So than it's fair if I say I think you're scum and that I've said it before without giving any evidence?

I gave my reasons for my suspicion of you when I nominated you and your choice to continue this subject in an attempt to throw suspicion on me and ignoring the fact that I have stated my reasoning seems scummy to me.

vote:ryan

[ckillor]

i need to vote tonight as i am busy all of tomorrow

Vote Ryan

over all he has been more scummy. i would try to go into detail but i am really just too tired. maybe later

[DragonsofSummer]

Vote Ryan

[DragonsofSummer]

EBWOP: Like I said earlier, I feel that he has been too skittish/defensive to be town.

[FaerieLord]

Vote: Ryan

Gave the reasons above since those example psot kind of echo throughout the game

[ryan]

That puts me at -1 (in case anyone is wondering)

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Alright, let me hammer then.

Vote: Ryan

[ryan]

Wrong choice KaleiDoscope

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

I'm pretty certain it's not.

[ryan]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]I'm pretty certain it's not.[/quote]

Pretty certain? That sounds confident

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Well, for what it's worth,

vote: mneme

I think mneme made a big deal over ryan's supposed "slip" yesterday. In fact, I think anyone who put any stock in that "slip" is full of crap and needs to swing, to be honest. I don't like the way mneme ran his votes on day 1 against our first set of nominees, and his overall attitude has been on the flippant side. I think ryan did an acceptable enough job defending himself to have not been the lynch for day 2, but that's in the past now, isn't it.

[ryan]

mneme should be up for eviction again (if you want my opinion)

[pablito]

Vote Count

mneme

(2): Skruffs, pickemgenius

ryan

(5): Pug89, ckillor, DragonsofSummer, FaerieLord, KaleiÐoscøpe

Vote not cast (1): ChaosOmega

With 8 voters, it takes 5 to evict!

Vote Deadline: Saturday 3rd November 21:00 EDT

. Remaining voters have 5 hours left to vote.

Failure to vote (when required) will result in modkill.

Ryan has enough votes to be evicted.