OPEN 649 — PICK YOUR POWER X/Y. EXPERIMENT OVER.
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Dunn is like the #1 player i wanted to play with. That fake claim in Peruvian Night Club Mafia was just... great.
That's the truth.
As for Chrimi, I was mostly joking about it beingsuspicious(the pun was hard to fit otherwise), but I think gauging Chrimi's alignment is key because she's a confirmed powerrole. I can elaborate more when I have a moment but I think Chrimi is necessary to push here.-
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Well, everyone picked a role in the draft. So that means that vanilla townies know that someone above them in the draft picked the same role as them.
The only thing is, never really playing a high-power game, I don't really know what scum players would pick and what town players would pick. So it's kind of hard for me to use the information I have to know who I should suspect. So, Chrimi is the safest person to push because I know regardless of her alignment, she probably picked a powerful role. She needs to be scrutinized.
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This isn't my first game ever, I have an idea of how things go down.
It's just usually I don't feel completely clueless? I'm going to hate myself forever if I force myself into the clueless newbie archetype here because like I have a lot of outside mafia experience lmao
Maybe once I get on a computer and the rush of starting a new game settles down I can try to make sense of this actually fun RVS :p-
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Thanks Firebringer : ), I think it's completely reasonable to scumread for that but give me an hour or two (ie when i have time to think about this because i am busy) and I'll prove you wrong :/
ftr i'm not really liking creature because i have an idea of his meta and he seems kind of lurky, but maybe it's too early to say :/-
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OK so I just got back and I'm starting to reread the game like I said I would.In post 63, Creature wrote:^ can't handle the pressure
I'm only at L-4 and we're still in RVS. There isn't a lot of pressure on me, even if most of the posting playerbase has voted for me at some point. Can you walk me through where you got this tonal read from me?
You guys have a right to tease me by the way, my thoughts on creature are admittedly try-hard, especially because skimming through some games of his (since I was supposed to be in one with him) doesn't really give me a good sense of meta. I just feel like there's some passivity from creature. I really do think I was (and am) over-analyzing that, but off of the top of my head it was the only thing close to a read I had. And I don't think anyone was going to take me seriously, which is why 76 just feels weird to me. Where is it coming from? Who is believing me?-
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oh
i just kind of assumed it was an rvs vote but it seems like it's not? He voted for someone actively playing in the game and gave a townread – that's not an RVS at all
But it wasduringRVS. Which is why it's weird.
I think I'm getting it? I'm starting to agree with Dunn here now oops even if i'm completely off base here.-
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I definitely think there's one scumplayer (and only one) in my wagon, if you want to believe that I'm town (which I am) then I think I'm being pushed as an easy mislynch because, as you said, my play is really shifty and is coming from a newbie. Sounds like a pretty prime lynchbait to me.
I'm starting with Creature because I want post 95 answered even if it looks really scummy (not sure why?). I want to know where he's coming from, and I feel like you especially should be agreeing with me here because of 83.
I think that you're probably town, along with Firebringer. I'm not sure about Vedith.
I'm interested in Chrimi's alignment. It's weird, but I think I have to be cryptic here about my reasons. I would move on to a better vote but the thing is I'm still trying to work out my wagon. I don't really have anything on Creature and I want to work with him.
I don't know about Charloux either. I agree with Dunn (who is my strongest townread but it's still not that strong yet) that his vote was weird but it doesn't warrant a vote from me.-
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In post 142, Dunnstral wrote:
Creature is towny I don't see a reason to be voting him right nowIn post 140, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:yeah i can definitely do this
VOTE: Creature
I really don't crack under pressure that easily (L-4?? really??), I play a lot of face-to-face mafia and I know how I react to pressure. That's why I want to know why Creautre thinks I am?
What's your reasoning?
This post is really scummy. I gave a shitty reason to be a bit doubtful of Creature as town, and yet he's under the impression that everyone bought it? I really need to know where this is coming from, it just seems really paranoid.In post 76, Creature wrote:Like the way giga tried to meta me so early in the game and everybody believed it.
I'm describing how I play because I really do not know how else to explain why some of your posts bother me. It's just contradictory to what I know about myself and I want you to explain why you think I was unable to handle the pressure from that post?
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There are multiple protective roles, aren't you a good N1 target if you're a confirmed powerrole?In post 148, Chrimi wrote:Me being a confirmed power role means I get killed tonight by the scum.-
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did we literally do the same research lmfaoIn post 153, Dunnstral wrote:2 barely gets picked, 1 is almost always picked by at least 1 person
5,6,7 and the like ar ebasically the worst numbers you could ever pick (lol zach)
for reference i picked 2 too... for the same reason
i was debating 3 and i'm kinda pissed i didn't take it tho
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Ehhghh this is kind of veering into set-up spec territory, which isn't god-awful, but I really think we should just get reads the conventional way here. Maybe referring to them could help with associatives, but we shouldn't just be policy-lynching people because they're early on the list.
Skelda, besides his position in the draft, how are you scumreading Creature?-
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Maria, what's your read on Skelda?In post 175, MariaR wrote:Couldn't say it better myself-
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I picked you because I don't know how I read you nor Skelda, and quote 175 seemed to tell me that you had an opinion.
So a nullish scum read? I'm not sure I agree, I find it hard to believe scum would make an entrance like that, blatantly "steering us in the wrong direction" as you put it.
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In post 308, Zachstralkita wrote:She gives off that innocent town appearance.
This isn't her first game though, and that's pretty easy to fake. If she has a completed game, I feel like she wouldn't have to explain why she doesn't want to lynch anyone (not sure if she means not vote or NL, both are bad but I think it's the former which isn't terrible?) Her response to Shadow_Step also pinged me in a bad way, which is why I wanted to poke at her a bit more.
VOTE: MariaR
@Zach, from what I've seen, this is just KTS's personality. He doesn't have any useful scum games (he has 1 but it's a weird set up). I'm kind of nulltown reading him for now I guess?-
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I just read her ISO in her newbie and I'm getting cold feet too.
UNVOTE: MariaR
Like she apologized for whatever it was that got her scumread (didn't read whole game yet) and was legitimately confused about it too? She's acting very similarly. The PR claim seems unneeded but it sounds like frustrated town to me.
VOTE: Shadow_Step
More interested in this guy now that I'm having doubts. I didn't like the LAMIST comment, especially without a vote. It felt lazy and oppurtunistic and I want to look into it.-
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Actually, a lot, but nothing tough.In post 328, MariaR wrote:Oh thanks for unvoting me anything you need from me?
Any thoughts on the game state so far? Does anyone seem like likely scum to you? Anyone who's town? What did you think of the wagon that formed around you (especially its short lifespan)?
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OK maria is definitely town first of all, you really can't fake that "I feel manipulated!" when you're a newbie and I've felt it before.
I think your Dunn townread is good, gut reads like that are good places to start. I would like to know what you're doubting. Since you felt that your wagon was a reaction test, do you think it was planned? Just the way you talk about it makes me feel like you might and I want to know why?-
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I have a response to your response (I'm liking our conversation actually O:) but firstIn post 351, MariaR wrote:I feel like if I do and someone has meta on it my point is just gonna get shut down and yes that's my Main
literally no one has meta on kts iirc? we were discussing this earlier
so if your gut says something just go for it.
Makes sense actually? I'll mull it over.MariaR wrote: That he was trying to reaction test me but then a lot of people were starting to vote me so it became very srs and I got scared-
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This really should not stop you, but I understand why you're scared. We all come from different experiences in life and have different perspectives, and even our role PMs affect said perspectives. If you have an opinion on something, especially if it's something that no one else is seeing, why not go for it?In post 344, MariaR wrote:I feel like I'm limited to who I can scum read as in if I scumread someone who has a ton of meta like "NO THERE TOWN STOP" I just have to nod and shake my head yes or I'm scummy for doing it and it felt sorta like a reaction test for 2 reasons
And, also on meta, it's a tool but I think a lot of people (myself included tbqh) rely on it too much. It has such a huge downside in that people can easily manipulate it by intentionally acting differently than normal. It can help if you don't understand where a player is coming from and want examples of how they think (good example here in where it could be helpful is KTS), but it's better to try to get reads from within the game through interactions.
If you want, I can walk you through my strongest read (townread on Zach), especially because you said you had trouble reading the people who were active during RVS so you can see what I mean here? Obviously you shouldn't just sheep me, but Iwouldlike to know if someone else agrees with me on it (and if not, what your thoughts on it are).-
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Spoiler: Zach Townread
(spoilered because it's a long quote train)
This conversation we had felt really genuine. Zach was scumreading me enough to make me his vote, but I felt his questioning of me felt like he was confused why Dunn was townreading me and wanted to poke at me to figure out my intentions. I gave my answer, even though it did end up looking scummy, and it changed Zach's views enough for me to jump onto the same wagon as me.
To me, it felt like A: he did not know my alignment, and B: he is willing to change his reads based on evidence and is genuinely intending to so. Both of those things should logically come from town. Hecouldbe scum manipulating me, but something about the posts at the time felt very honest to me. Thus, a townread coming from both gut and evidence.-
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It's only D1, none of my reads areIn post 363, MariaR wrote:but strongest tr is a bit of a stretchthatstrong. So comparatively it's the strongest, but he's not an innocent child here.
Mind telling me if there's something specifically that makes you less confident? Or is it just it doesn't impact you as much?-
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Fair, I guess the read has to come from knowing my role PM for sure. But the important thing here is his motivation. Wouldn't it be better to stick to a pretty strong wagon (I was at like L-4 or 3) if you're mafia? Really the most important thing this game is discerning the "why"s of every post.In post 367, MariaR wrote:Just doesn't impact me as super towny as it does you
I'd actually recommend rereading the game and asking yourself who is genuinely trying to understand the other players? It's a lot more difficult (esp if the RVS is fun and you're busy laughing instead of thinking) than it might sound, but I want you to do this because I am pretty certain you are town, and having a townie with opinions is actually essential to our victory.-
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131 really sounded like he was serious about getting me lynched, and even very early game votes can lead to a lynch. I think it's plausible that the lynch could have gone through, but I'm glad Zach was willing to work with me.
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You're being incredibly closed minded here. PeopleIn post 379, Shadow_step wrote:If it was she would have attacked the players for voting her for weak reasons and rage, not put her hands up and say I give up lynch me if you please.
There's the difference between your play and my play, I didn't vote directly after saying that because I wanted to see how she reacts, the reaction was out of the blue aggressive and looked fake.don'talways act in the most logical way to advance their wincon. Putting myself into Maria's shoes by considering her experience and what I gathered from her personality here and in her last game, her giving up like that looks town, NAI if you really want to stretch it.
And, I voted her for that very reason right there initially.
Your push is really lazy if it's town. Somehow putting Skelda as her scumbuddy just for that defense also feels really lazy too?? At least you actually voted.
And there is no target behind Maria's back. She's a wifom nk at best.-
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I want to know what Dunn thinks since he followed my vote of you but I think 401 comes from misguided town.
VOTE: Creature
Especially because I've been liking your recent posting, KTS, I think I'm coming back here with you.
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I like neither, but I agree. What's your reasoning?In post 408, MariaR wrote:I would pref a creature lynch over shadow-
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I like a Shadow lynch, but I'm feeling a bit more iffy about it I guess?
Creature kind of did a similar thing with that list he had with all of the players and crossing them out. He even crossed out Pisskop after like two posts that weren't alignment indicative in the slightest? I wasn't sure how to bring it up and Skelda kind of did but it just looked so fake to me.
eh
VOTE: Shadow_Step
This brought me back.Killthestory wrote:Idec Maria is conf town, and anyone that pushes her at this point is flat out scum.-
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Back to voting Shadow.In post 420, Killthestory wrote:Brought you back to what?-
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I was talking about Chrimi, who is most likely a powerrole. Like, 99%. I didn't even know abstaining from the draft was an option and iirc that wasn't confirmed?In post 427, Dunnstral wrote:Didn't you spend the past 5 pages arguing that she was inexperienced?-
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I meanIn post 431, Firebringer wrote:@Giga I am confused because you didn't like either shadow and whoever but then you said "I will lynch shadow"?
I am scumreading both Shadow and Creature, and I figured if I was starting to hesitate then maybe I should go for a lynch I'm more confident in. It's fickleness and I realize that's bad.
But my vote is staying on Shadow now.
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No, Creature.In post 436, Dunnstral wrote:Who? KTS?-
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What do you think about my 149 and his lack of an explanation of where 63 was coming from?
I definitely agree with your above post but it's not new information to me.
also part of why i'm wishy washy is that i think 139 was directed at me and i didn't answer it... it seems kind of reasonable?
I definitely have been scumreading Charloux so I could also go there.-
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this is what i was trying to say by "lurky"In post 543, Skelda wrote:What is he even saying there? Nothing, he's just posting for the sake of posting.
like he's super passive
he was much more active and game-solving in the newbie with him I was supposed to be in (1715) but it's not really that strong of a meta. plus the fact it was a newbie (with... tojam as an ic) meant that he felt obligated to lead town.
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i'm missing something...?
but actually i'm feeling better about a charloux lynch now, i guess someone who has shadow the hedgehog as their avatar and literally talks like him (i don't know i don't care about sonic) is probably going to be really edgy and... like that. it's believable but really awful lmfao
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zach make it 5In post 551, Creature wrote:Charloux has 4 votes.-
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i feel like dunn is right more often than not when it comes between the two of u....... but that's just meIn post 554, Zachstralkita wrote:I'm agreeing with Dunn for once-
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In post 565, Charloux wrote:no scum is stupid enough to make half the player list his enemies by voting someone (Maria) who everybody treats as conftown.
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In post 570, Charloux wrote:Actually 7 votes now? Hope there isn't a VI who will hammer right now or this game is over.
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