Mini 521 (SMSM, Ended)

[ryan]

Eh, not really feeling like there's much point to the subgames myself.

Don't know why Fiasco is pushing so much for Max. I might join Adele in voting him soon.

Let me ask you this, why would a scum come out so hard and so strong on one person? Seems like an awfully big risk to me. I'm not saying I'm getting a town vibe from this but it's a little strange to see scum come out so hard on one person.

[WaterboyWaldo]

Fiasco is a Lyncher of some sort - that's the simple explanation.

[kabenon007]

There are no Lynchers in this setup.

[mith]

Deadline:

Approximately 70 hours from this post.

Vote Count:

6 to lynch.

Fiasco: 2 (Adele, Max)
Max: 2 (Fiasco, Xdaamno)
Sammich: 2 (ryan, SomeStrangeSimenon)
kabenon007: 1 (WaterboyWaldo)
PookyTheMagicalBear: 1 (Thorned Rose)
WaterboyWaldo: 1 (kabenon007)

Mod Note:

Prodding those that need prodding.

[Xdaamno]

Waterboy has been vague or plain incorrect in most of the things he's said; it's not much, but with a short deadline, it's the best place to start a bandwagon, IMO.

Unvote, Vote: WaterboyWaldo

[WaterboyWaldo]

Pfft. If I'm being vague, then I'll let you know. Or maybe I won't.

unvote, vote Fiasco

[Thorned Rose]

(... Aimee again. Really, I need Jordan to contribute.)

Pfft. If I'm being vague, then I'll let you know. Or maybe I won't.

unvote, vote Fiasco

???

Explanation.

ryan - why is going after lurkers a beneficial strategy in a speed game?

[Sammich]

The Maxwagon needs to die. The prods were issued, how is lurkerlynching going to help us?
Besides. Do you see a MeMe? I don't see a MeMe. What's with the lurker-attacks?

[kabenon007]

Pfft. If I'm being vague, then I'll let you know. Or maybe I won't.

unvote, vote Fiasco

I do it for you... you are being vague here.

[WaterboyWaldo]

My wit is lost upon you all. From this moment forth, I will not be making any sarcastic, jokey, or ironic posts.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That's my point,, you would use evidence from minigame play to lynch in the metagame, that's a very easy assumption to fall into.

But think now if the town LOSES this subgame, who will be on the hotseat? The people who played the worst obviously, but who would not fall under suspicion by the standard method of thinking?(which is the he did something scummy in the game)

The obvious answer is the person who was nightkilled on night one with no chance to meaninfully impact the game.

How could you blame the town's loss on Sarcastro? You basically can't because he didn't have a chance to do anything!

That's exactly why in my opinion the Mafia killed Sarcastro. Because a MetaMAfia on the SubgameMafia had the idea that to secure his teammate's position, he would shoot a nightkill at him so that his teammate would have no possibility of commiting any anti-metaactions and would have little chance of being metalynched on the standard lines of thought for metaguilt(which is playing suspiciously in terms of popular opinion)

What I was to know after this game is exactly who among the SubMafia suggested killing Sarcastro.

[Max]

However Pooky, we are pretending, for the sake of these games, that this is the only game we try to make our side win as if our side wins we survive and the people who are on the winning side are safe, If more scum are on the town side, the scum in the scum side would try to get his team to lose. However WIFOM is brought into this the people could all decide to play as well as they normally do to try and get a better understanding of how the rest of their (subscum) buddies play as scum so they can aggressively use that later in the game to take advantage of losing.

[ryan]

(... Aimee again. Really, I need Jordan to contribute.)

Pfft. If I'm being vague, then I'll let you know. Or maybe I won't.

unvote, vote Fiasco

???

Explanation.

ryan - why is going after lurkers a beneficial strategy in a speed game?

Would you rather leave a potential mafia lurker alone and not at least push him/her to post some thoughts? I'd rather see a few of the non posters say something (anything) at this point and a couple of votes here and there seem to always do the trick.

[Thorned Rose]

Sorry Aimee and everyone else for my absence, this is Jordan.

I agree with Aimee's idea about Pooky's plan, as far as I'm concerned, we should be trying to win the metagame.

Eh, not really feeling like there's much point to the subgames myself.

Don't know why Fiasco is pushing so much for Max. I might join Adele in voting him soon.

Let me ask you this, why would a scum come out so hard and so strong on one person? Seems like an awfully big risk to me. I'm not saying I'm getting a town vibe from this but it's a little strange to see scum come out so hard on one person.

This is very WIFOMy, the defence is noted.

[ryan]

Thorned Rose: So you think a scum would come out and throw that many accusations around that quickly?

[Adele]

Thorned Rose: So you think a scum would come out and throw that many accusations around that quickly?

False dichotomy. How about a scum *might*?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Max, if you look at what the distributions would be, you'd realize what you said is wrong.

It's basic probability.

[Sammich]

Would you rather leave a potential mafia lurker alone and not at least push him/her to post some thoughts? I'd rather see a few of the non posters say something (anything) at this point and a couple of votes here and there seem to always do the trick.

Here and there?
Wtf?

[ryan]

Would you rather leave a potential mafia lurker alone and not at least push him/her to post some thoughts? I'd rather see a few of the non posters say something (anything) at this point and a couple of votes here and there seem to always do the trick.

Here and there?
Wtf?

WHAT exactly are you asking here?

[Thorned Rose]

(Aimee)

ryan - actually I'd much rather look at active players and what they say. What lurkers do is effectively up to the mod, in a sense - I'll let the mod prod the players, not use my vote on them.

Frankly, I'd much prefer to use my vote on players who have been scummy from their

actions

rather than from just not having any actions.

That said, I would like Max to return.

Also, I didn't like Waldo's vote on Fiasco here, since I'm sensing some OMGUS in the air.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote Fiasco

deadline incoming

vote people.

[Fiasco]

deadline incoming

That is pretty damn ironic coming from you.

I will greatly enjoy watching certain people make asses out of themselves by lynching me.

[kabenon007]

How are non majority vote counts dealt with? Like, does one person need to have a majority, or is the person with the most votes is lynched?

[kabenon007]

EBWOP: Come deadline that is.

[WaterboyWaldo]

I will greatly enjoy watching certain people make asses out of themselves by lynching me.

<- Certain people