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how doUnright wrote:I think I'm beginning to see why some people hate the random voting that starts off every game.
When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.youknow the jokes are coming from townies?..NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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Unright Goon
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Based on how many people are making jokes, some of them must be town. I'm not discouraging scum from joking around. They can keep on clowning around if they want.curiouskarmadog wrote:
how doUnright wrote:I think I'm beginning to see why some people hate the random voting that starts off every game.
When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.youknow the jokes are coming from townies?..Vote Right -- Unvote Unright!-
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Joking about produces responses. No responses means no info.Unright wrote:
Based on how many people are making jokes, some of them must be town. I'm not discouraging scum from joking around. They can keep on clowning around if they want.curiouskarmadog wrote:
how doUnright wrote:I think I'm beginning to see why some people hate the random voting that starts off every game.
When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.youknow the jokes are coming from townies?..GUESS WHO'S BACK?
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I'm not sure I like how you said townies. I think this is a good place to put an early vote.Unright wrote:I think I'm beginning to see why some people hate the random voting that starts off every game.
When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.Vote: UnrightPlease delete my comment from your sig...such an awful joke- Battle Mage
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it produced this thread of conversation...I, too, didnt like your use of the word "townies", almost implies you know what everyone joking were townies..slip up, this early? Hard to tell....lets move to the pressure stage.Unright wrote:
I didn't say it didn't produce responses. I said it didn't produce useful responses.Nekka-Lucifer wrote:Joking about produces responses. No responses means no info.
unvote, vote unright
what was your motivation behind letting us know you didnt like the random vote (joking) stage?NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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You answered your own question for me. I wanted to bring an abrupt end to the joking stage and move the game into the main stage. Jokey self-votes and meta-gaming votes are impossible to analyze. So now that we've all gotten it out of our system, let's actually begin playing this game.curiouskarmadog wrote:
it produced this thread of conversation...I, too, didnt like your use of the word "townies", almost implies you know what everyone joking were townies..slip up, this early? Hard to tell....lets move to the pressure stage.Unright wrote:
I didn't say it didn't produce responses. I said it didn't produce useful responses.Nekka-Lucifer wrote:Joking about produces responses. No responses means no info.
what was your motivation behind letting us know you didnt like the random vote (joking) stage?
Additionally, I realize that this move makes me a lightning rod for votes. That's fine. I've got no reason to shy away from them and it invites people to judge others on who is using good logic and who isn't.Vote Right -- Unvote Unright!-
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I agree completely. I would lynch those doing this day one on principle because they are counterproductive - and may well be scum.Unright wrote:When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.
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I'm not sure i like how you latched on to someone elses argument completely in order to validate a BW vote.JordanA24 wrote:
I'm not sure I like how you said townies. I think this is a good place to put an early vote.Unright wrote:I think I'm beginning to see why some people hate the random voting that starts off every game.
When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.Vote: Unright
Unvote, Vote: JordanShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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actually, i didnt fuck up. Jordan latched onto CKD's logic (which is always a bad idea). case closed.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Well I guess you did indeed end the random (joke) stage....since this stage bothers you, how do you normally start a game? Attack the random (joke) vote stage? If that stage wasnt there, what would you do?Unright wrote:
You answered your own question for me. I wanted to bring an abrupt end to the joking stage and move the game into the main stage. Jokey self-votes and meta-gaming votes are impossible to analyze. So now that we've all gotten it out of our system, let's actually begin playing this game.curiouskarmadog wrote:
it produced this thread of conversation...I, too, didnt like your use of the word "townies", almost implies you know what everyone joking were townies..slip up, this early? Hard to tell....lets move to the pressure stage.Unright wrote:
I didn't say it didn't produce responses. I said it didn't produce useful responses.Nekka-Lucifer wrote:Joking about produces responses. No responses means no info.
what was your motivation behind letting us know you didnt like the random vote (joking) stage?
Additionally, I realize that this move makes me a lightning rod for votes. That's fine. I've got no reason to shy away from them and it invites people to judge others on who is using good logic and who isn't.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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I didn't say that I had a better plan or even that I have a different style. I said I realized why some people don't like it.curiouskarmadog wrote:Well I guess you did indeed end the random (joke) stage....since this stage bothers you, how do you normally start a game? Attack the random (joke) vote stage? If that stage wasnt there, what would you do?
Look at posts 19-23. Nekka-Lucifer votes for himself, so Albert B. Rampage and Dragon Phoenix vote for Nekka (with DP listing his reason in quasi-jest(?)), then Battle Mage votes for Dragon Phoenix.
What can be learned from that sequence of events? Absolutely nothing. It's obvious that the voting isn't random, but is it serious? Who knows. The one thing I know is that confusion, chaos, and sarcasm will always help scum more than town. So if I can bring the random (joke) stage to a quick end, then I've eliminated a scum-advantage.
Moving on...
Albert B. Rampage is right. JordanA24's suspicion and vote were his own and were first. He wasn't latching onto anyone else's train of thought or jumping on any bandwagons.Battle Mage wrote:I'm not sure i like how you latched on to someone elses argument completely in order to validate a BW vote.
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really?Unright wrote:
Albert B. Rampage is right. JordanA24's suspicion and vote were his own and were first. He wasn't latching onto anyone else's train of thought or jumping on any bandwagons.
then,curiouskarmadog wrote: how doyouknow the jokes are coming from townies?..
Seems pretty close to me...I think Jordan was agreeing with me.JordanA24 wrote:
I'm not sure I like how you said townies. I think this is a good place to put an early vote.Vote: Unright
Why are you putting words into ABR's mouth? ABR didnt say that Jordan's suspicions was his own, he only said Jordan didnt bandwagon...NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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Unright. I don't think you have grasped the concept of the random voting stage. It produces reactions, which in turn produces responses to those reactions. These responses could have 'partial' scummy hints in it and we can pressure the person with the 'partial' scummy response. That guy can either be pressured into explaining himself well, or totally messing it up, ending up in a possible lynch.
Get it now? Without Random voting, no-one talks.GUESS WHO'S BACK?
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Nekka hits the nail on the head.
Of course, I think random voting would not be necessary if a game started with a night phase, but that results in at least one person signing up but not being able to play due to death. And that isn't fun.
I don't know who to vote for. I gut tells me that if Unright is lynched they'll be green/blue, but my gut is notoriously wrong.
My scumdar is borked, sue me. I'm mainly posting here so you guys will know I'm not lurking.
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