New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[RachMarie]

hey all

Reading up now

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Still reading some points though quickly from D 1

bug dude is clearly a noob, most likely town. Even a newbscum would have hemmed a bit not come right out with VT like that, BTW bug DONT do that again. Only claim if you are about to be lynched, or in the case of a mass claim.

Need more from Slan so far hes not given me much to peg him.

Even in theory you do not suggest NL on D1

That being said, ira is probably town, annoying, but town. I can't see someone voting NL like that with at least a couple peeps yelling we have to have a lynch on D1.

Moving along more later now back to reading up on D 2

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@ Kill

Do you want to lynch Ira cause you think he is scum? Or do you want to lynch him because you find him annoying?

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Ok I can accept that as reasoning,

Back to reading up

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Still early on page 2 but why are we giving Oz dude a pass? Well other than Slan that is, feeling better about Slan going in the town pile now that I see a bit more from him.

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D 2 read up

Sorry you are so sick Oz Hope you feel better soon, still feel your slot is scum though.

what on earth was that crazy claim by snarky? I can see why he got hammered after that.

@Kill doing short catchups as I go along so that its not one huge ass wall,

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Ok caught up

what is with all these PR claims uggh,

There were two deaths on N1, and frag is an un CCed PR claim, of watcher.

Yes you can have a town ascetic, I was one in a game a long time ago, but it was not a normal game, micro one I believe it was, would have to double check. Town ascetic is actually a very swingy role and not super helpful to town since it can't be investigated by a cop or a seer. What on earth would a town ascetic enabler do? I have never heard of that role.

At this point, we go with the results, after all if Frag is fake claiming this, and it feels likely he is not, then he would swing tomorrow and he knows that,


VOTE: ira

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Slan, Kill, bug, SS are in my town pile,

Frag too based on the claim,

Ira, Oz, in my scum pile,

Still sorting everyone else out for now.

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Perf at this point, I would focus on the past few pages, we have only a few days left and too many lurkers in this game.

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DGB why are you only focused on lurkers this game, you know as well as I do that lurking can be done by both town and scum. I plan on spending some time reading your ISO pretty carefully, since I often think you are scum in games, even when I am wrong, Which is why I have not yet pegged you.

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So that means you think frag is fake claiming that would mean you think frag is scum, why are you not voting for him then instead of a non entity like yume?

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how can they both be town based on their claims? Frag states as part of his claim that he watched Ira go to dude who got killed? Not sure what the enabler part is all about, but when I was a town ascetic I could not be watched, investigated, or anything, but killed by mafia or lynched during the day. So

Either Frag is lying about his results since he would not be able to watch the ascetic OR he is telling the truth and Ira is lying about his claim umm how on earth is that possible that both can be town?

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My pred did not replace out, he flaked out, and he was not very active when he was here, I think the yume slot also is another flake out and I believe the mod is looking for a replacement, hopefully someone who gets into the game more,

Still, either replacing out or flaking out is generally a null tell.

What do you think of Oz? Granted he has been sick, but I definitely got pings on my scumdar from him.

Do you think DGB's death tunnel on nonentities in the game means she is scummy or town? Or just annoying? I want to look at a few of her recently finished games, since she does tend to tunnel a lot in either faction.

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You do realize I replaced Guy, right Perf?

Why not share after all we are waiting for the mod, so any info that can help us tomorrow is useful

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I believe one of them is lying, a watcher is more believable than a town acetic enabler,

Especially since if frag is lying about his claim he knows he will swing tomorrow. They both can't be telling the truth, so therefore one has to be scum,

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watch not track Ari. I got those mixed up once and screwed up my n 1 watch, Fixed it later but it did cost us a bit, A watcher only sees what comes to his or her target, a tracker follows his target if said target goes anywhere.

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well uggh I was right about Oz wrong about which one it was in the town/scum pr claims bah.

Still we have two flips so should be able to get some good VCA and associations with them

Still three nks?

@SS I could not vote for BOTH of them at the same time and it seemed to me with the claim and fake claim we had it made more sense to go after who I thought was the one faking. I fully intended on going after oz more today along with pushing a lynch on frag since ira flipped town. Now I will look for their buddies. Are we sure its multiball though? the flips looked like they are on the same team? (both being the same color and same name that is). Could be a larger scum team plus a SK plus some other reason someone else got shot. Clearly its one or the other with that many kills.

Will spend some time this weekend really going through and looking at the vote counts and the associations with Oz and Frag dudes.

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@FB in my book a night when two scum die is a good night

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If it is multiball then we need to lynch someone from the other team so we can get more associations. If it is multiball, most likely there is only one more buddy to the oz/frag team, and we need to figure out who is on the other team.

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Still early on page 2 but why are we giving Oz dude a pass? Well other than Slan that is, feeling better about Slan going in the town pile now that I see a bit more from him.

D 2 read up

Sorry you are so sick Oz Hope you feel better soon, still feel your slot is scum though.

what on earth was that crazy claim by snarky? I can see why he got hammered after that.

@Kill doing short catchups as I go along so that its not one huge ass wall,

Ok caught up

what is with all these PR claims uggh,

There were two deaths on N1, and frag is an un CCed PR claim, of watcher.

Yes you can have a town ascetic, I was one in a game a long time ago, but it was not a normal game, micro one I believe it was, would have to double check. Town ascetic is actually a very swingy role and not super helpful to town since it can't be investigated by a cop or a seer. What on earth would a town ascetic enabler do? I have never heard of that role.

At this point, we go with the results, after all if Frag is fake claiming this, and it feels likely he is not, then he would swing tomorrow and he knows that,


VOTE: ira

Slan, Kill, bug, SS are in my town pile,

Frag too based on the claim,

Ira, Oz, in my scum pile,

Still sorting everyone else out for now.

Perf here is my reasoning AS I was going along and reading, HERE is why I switched my read on Ira, I was wrong, but my reasoning was sound. The claim in a large normal seemed the most outlandish of the two, but I knew one or the other had to be fake claiming. I fully had planned on voting Oz, until the clusterf*** of the competing claims. Then I had to go with which one I felt more likely to be a fake claim, I was wrong, but town are mistaken sometimes. Meanwhile I did ask you some questions just before the lockdown of the game, still would like your answers.

[RachMarie]

You do realize I replaced Guy, right Perf?

Why not share after all we are waiting for the mod, so any info that can help us tomorrow is useful

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I believe one of them is lying, a watcher is more believable than a town acetic enabler,

Especially since if frag is lying about his claim he knows he will swing tomorrow. They both can't be telling the truth, so therefore one has to be scum,

Those questions,

[RachMarie]

Yeah mobile can really suck for mafia games I have had serious issues at times when posting on my Kindle Fire and a cell phone would be much worse

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Need to ISO it not really sure at this point. Ari gets lost in the shuffle of some of the other more flamboyant players.

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Is Yume even still in this game?

With the recent flips, DGB, does that change any of your other reads, or are you just focused on Yume almost to the oblivion of all else going on?

Why do you think Perf is scum?

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DGB can you show where the flipped scum interacted with her? (Yume), and considering how inactive she was, why would the stronger members of her team not be bussing her like mad?

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wait there were THREE nks last night DGB so that means there was a SK kill, or there are two maf teams and both killed and the mod did not make them separate colors, or in some other way distinguish them. Plus a vig kill,

Personally I am leaning toward one larger maf team and an SK because it seemed more likely frag and oz were on the same team, and I know this is not a bastard setup being a normal game. The town ascetic maker thingy was probably the one allowed non normal setup mechanism. So the rest is probably quite normal.

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Yeah the OP needs to be updated.

@mod could you update the OP pretty please with sugar on top?

Looking forward to seeing that, DGB.

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@ mod can we poke bugs and yume with a sharp cattle prod, or is it time to replace them?

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@ Kill

Excuse me, but we have two dead scum why on earth would we NOT be focusing on associatives?

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Just asking for clarification dude,

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LOL I was not yelling

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If yume or more likely yume's replacement suddenly flipped town in a lynch who would you look at DGB?

If yume or replacement suddenly flipped scum, same question who would you look at?

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@Kuroi

You say to vote for inactive folk, does that mean you would support DGB's death tunnel wagon on the non existent slot of Yume?

[RachMarie]

Well since there is a vig, another possibility is the vig to shoot Yume.

But, in that case why are you voting Kill? Especially since it looks rather OMGUS style when you voted him?

[RachMarie]

@mod V/LA for a few days have work catchups to do.

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back from V/LA

reading up

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Still feel pretty good about my previous reads, still need to peg a few peeps, very hard to catch up with the OP so out of date.

Going to ISO the recent flips to see if I can find partner

The fact there is an active player in the Yume slot and the buggy slot makes me feel good. Also the fact that DGB has slipped her tight death tunnel makes me feel better about her.

Need to ISO Kuroi and his pred not seeing why so many folk are jumping on his wagon?

Not much of a short list I know but its a lot to wade through.

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Didnt heb replace yume? are you back on that track again DGB?

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oops my bad he replaced bugs not yume.

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DGB is famous for death tunnels so that is not a scum tell for her.

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Still feel Slan is town

Kill is probably town

DGB is probably town

Been ISOing Frag and Ozgin and trying to figure out who their other scum budz are.

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Yeah just reread Kill outted himself as the 2 shot vig and not CCed so yep town.

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Mostly meta from previous games.

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Mostly played with him as town but I can probably find a couple scum games if I had some time.

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Umm DGB is a she

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ummm ari stop talking in thread you are dead don't want you to be mod killed and you are not a tree stump dude.

[RachMarie]

meh yesterday was bad for me, got no work done, and was just miserable, was my son's 29th birthday

He died at 18 1/2 just 19 days before my 40th birthday, but some days are just hard

Will post more when my head is more into it again.

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Not apathetic, trying to sort out this game. As for my stating I needed a break because my head was not into being logical and rational and sorting things out in a non emotional manner because of my son's birthday? Really? I was not able to think or even get client work done all day, much less be able to deeply analyze any mafia games.

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Back to that refrain again DGB?

meh I think rev may have site flaked. Would have to post dive to be sure, though.

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totally understand perf, and yeah it sucks when people use personal stuff to hide they are scum, I dont do that.

Back to the game

I am not liking fires recent vote seriously dude yes DGB is most likely town, but she has been pushing this save for a brief time period when she said oh rev is now town lets go after the bugs replacement the entire game.


Seriously? replacement dude has not yet posted and you want to flash lynch him?

At least, DGB has a reason behind her wanting rid of the slot.

Your vote feels like baa baa sheep and better yet lets do this before new dude can speak and give info...

VOTE: fire

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Because he wants to flash lynch a slot where someone has replaced in but not talked yet.

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Could someone explain to me with 2 scum flips and all why we are popcorn claiming?

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Do you think it is MYLO now Perf? Because I think claiming gives scum an advantage otherwise.

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@ Kill

Slan, you, DGB

not so strong on heb and Perf, and nero

just

replaced in, need more from him, usually though with some time, I can peg him.

Fire is my strongest scum read, not as sold as DGB and slan on the revolving door slot that is now dominator, though if it comes to deadline he would be better than a NL, but I would like to see some activity from this slot first, so far we have had almost nothing from it.

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uggh not completely convinced that slot is scum but uggh it definitely has had the most horrid luck with replacements.

Sigh I would rather lynch someone whom I feel is scum, Slan and DGB, but meh if we have to get yet another replacement who immediately flakes out, or deadline I will join you. This is getting ridiculous, however, I hate the fact we will have zero info to speak of if it turns out that slot is town and not scum like ya all think, however, don't want a slot like that in LYLO or MYLO either.

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Nero is passionate and actively involved when he is town, and tend to be more lurky and non involved when he is scum, It is a bit more complicated than that, but that is the jist of it.

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umm DGB .... You were already voting him

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I believe I said more than once to both slan and DGB that just because the slot was worthless did not mean it was auto scum. Sucks that we did not get one active player in that slot, a tracker might have helped us a great deal. The fact that the wagon on that slot picked up so quickly was a counter wagon to fire really makes me think we need to lynch fire. Plus of course fire was on the wagon to lynch Dom as well.


VOTE: fire

Do we really think this is just a large-ish one team scum team and not multiball with at least one sk?

I mean looking at the number of deaths recently we have only one per night, but we started off the game with 2 killed on night 1, and 3 killed on night 3?


oh yeah duh I remember now I think I mentioned something about this a while back...

wait there were THREE nks last night DGB so that means there was a SK kill, or there are two maf teams and both killed and the mod did not make them separate colors, or in some other way distinguish them. Plus a vig kill,

Personally I am leaning toward one larger maf team and an SK because it seemed more likely frag and oz were on the same team, and I know this is not a bastard setup being a normal game. The town ascetic maker thingy was probably the one allowed non normal setup mechanism. So the rest is probably quite normal.

I admit I was wrong about the town ascetic maker thingy being not normal, still I think we can probably go with the rest of my analysis, there is most likely one more person (I believe it to be fire), who is the last buddy of the mafia team, and one other player out there who is sk.

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Why are you reading Fire as town, SS?

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Perf why are you wanting mass claim? We probably have one more on the maf team plus an SK

Clearly either the maf dude or dudette, or the SK is not having a ton of luck with their bullets, since we have mostly had 1 death per night.

I don't think we are in MYLO yet and we definitely are not in LYLO

so why the rush to mass claim?

Thought Aris was some sort of SK, so I shot them. That's where 1 death came from.

I'm thinking SK is trying to play himself off as town, maybe??? I don't see another town role with killing potential, or it's possible it was mafia with a 1 shot.

Clearly there was a BP or doctor, potentially jailkeeper, who shouldn't out themselves now, but if it comes down to it, should confirm themselves as town later on.

Still seems like pretty good advice to me.

As for why he did not die

he stated he was an x shot and his bullets were gone.

That makes him a VT now, and now that everyone lynched DGB's favorite slot, she had become a wild card and might have pushed a lynch through on the scum (cough cough fire cough cough). Though of course her if dude is town lynch Nero does worry me a tad, I doubt he would actually nk her if he were the remaining mafia player.

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Perf

I am going based on the fact we have 8 players prob 1 more maf plus 1 sk. Which would lead to 6 more townies. At least that is my reasoning? How are you coming up with MYLO?

BTW if it is MYLO shouldn't we NL based on our only getting one NK at night lately? I am concerned that if we mass claim it will out the last of our PRs and we are already sucking because we had useless people in a tracker slot uggh. If you show me good reasoning that this really is MYLO, then I will happily support your mass claim and I will claim.


NERO chill dude, Kill is town he claimed 2 shot vig, and now is basically a VT. and is unCCed.

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ok good

moving along

Nero, Kill, who do you think might be the sk?

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hmmm that is a thought.

Do you two agree with Perf that we are in MYLO? I will be the first one to admit my math skills suck

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The biggest reason I think there is an SK, Kill, is that your shooting of Frag did not end up bouncing off of Oz and killing him too. Oz was not a bodyguard, so someone had to kill him.

Well Im not good at rap dude.
so this will probably be crude.
MYLO does mean mass claim
So as a townie we can get fame.

Ok I know not good but hey Im not a rapper, Kill we do need to know if it is MYLO and if we should mass claim as Perf suggested.

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uggh that blue is impossible to read Perf

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could be but why would they not be using their power? They did have an ascetic which kinda makes sense with tracker and backup tracker, since ascetics cant be tracked or investigated, only killed/lynched. Or do you think they can't use their power plus nk at the same time?

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Heb Why did you abandon the Fire wagon? I think Nero is most likely town.

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Nero is at L-1 folks let him claim before you hammer.

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Would you then unvote Nero long enough for him to claim then? Not sure why Perf thinks he has claimed I have not seen it yet. I saw Slan claim then ask for Nero to claim.

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thanks that way there is no quickhammers til we have a real claim.

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Perf I totally missed the soft claim. Still he needed to hard claim not just soft claim

I will claim now after all I am having doubt about Nero now big doubt. Not just the whole jk thing

but he has stated he had a town read on me so why on earth would town jk Nero jk me on any night while TOWN reading me.

On top of that I have trouble believing in a 3 player maf team with an ascetic and an sk being balanced with all the PR flips plus MY PR

Im the reason we have had only ONE death past few nights.

I am town bulletproof and I am definitely not an SK Pretty sure the SK is investigation immune with both a tracker and a backup tracker claims.

I did not want to claim because mine is not X shot its continuous, but by now both the maf team and the sk have tried to kill me and it has failed on them. I doubt it was the same person every time that tried to shoot me at night.

This is the hammer since he has already claimed.

VOTE: Nero

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Um yeah they knew I was town duh, at least one of them probably shot at me and found out I was town,

Are you the sk Fire because right now you sure seem like it,

The mafia team is gone it is now the sk, and my being the town bp helped cut down on deaths most of the game so yeah try again.

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VOTE: Fire

Pretty sure he is the sk

Slan is in my town pile along with heb and perf though a weaker town read, still by PoE is town.

We got the mafia team, let's get the SK and win the game finally.

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3 maf plus 1 sk fits the night kills.

4 maf plus 1 sk would be too unbalanced against town, and I was not the only one to point that out.

the only way we could have had 3 night kills was with both a town vig and a sk.

Yes SOMETIMES the SK is bp, but sometimes it is investigation immune.

With a tracker, and a JOAT, it makes much more sense for investigation immune

Clearly Nero was pushing the SK being BP because he tried to shoot me and it failed because I am town BP. He knew that Kill planned on killing SS, he knew the only way to get rid of me was to lynch me. He knew I was on the right track with the balance numbers. He did not want town to win. He knew his claim would get me to claim. He knows me well.

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Of course as the SK you are laughing because you feel you have won the game.

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the fact that Slan is no killing while my slot has been targeting is what made me believe he's scum.

I can confirm that I haven't been killing anyone during the night.

(Sorry been busy promise I will catch up tomorrow)

You are basing your idea that Slan is also BP because of what Nero who flipped SCUM said?

Nero who was trying to portray me as the SK

Heb I seriously doubt Slan is BP Unless you are trying to say the SK is BP and not II?
And that Slan is the SK? Is that what you are suggesting?

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Perf

I am not lying about my claim and the night kills support my claim uggh.

Do you really think I would have hammered Nero like that instead of pushing my read on Fire if I were SK seriously? No I would have lurked long enough for someone else to hammer.

I am town BP I am the reason we had nights without more kills.

That is why Kill said oh that makes sense just before the game was locked. Or why do you think he said that about my semi counter claim of Nero and my hammering Nero when I realized he was claiming something that did not fit, especially since he said he jked me as part of his claim. I hammered him because I realized he was lying about his claim partly because I knew I was town BP. I could have just hammered him and said oh jk does not fit.

I claimed at that point so you all knew I was town, instead you are letting fire convince you otherwise.

Perf it is not a crime to be a weaker town read, I just do not see Slan as the SK I see fire as the SK. I was scum reading fire before the business with Nero. So this is not OMGUS.

The only time I have been sk as been part of an SK team and we were sweating losing so many of the mafia team so soon. I also I will admit was lurky majorly in that game, why because of RL stuff mostly, but in the end it did help along with having a great partner in Way.

I just hope tomorrow when you read my flip as town bp, you lynch fire with fire. If my play which has helped peg several players in this game, including ozguin, hammering nero, and being wrong on some players can't convince you I am town, I don't know what will.

I hope now you understand why I was concerned about mass claiming, I believed Kill about his x shot vigging. So I thought I was the remaining non x shot PR town had, and I knew that my PR had prevented kills. Like I said to Heb, don't let Nero's comments convince you that I am the sk when I am not.

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Something is wrong with your figuring then

I am BP and I am town.

With both a tracker and a backup tracker it makes FAR more sense for the SK to be II not BP.

Part of the reason I had you as a weaker town read was I forgot you were the back up tracker til I reread your ISO to figure out what you meant by two part claim. That is my mistake.

So yeah its the other way around, you are a stronger town read, uggh I hate making mistakes like that. But then I ignored this game during the night phase to focus on other games in day phase. I guess I should have reread things instead of letting fire get to me. Of course he wants to get to me he may not be maf scum but he is still scum.

My vote stands.

BTW Perf since you were keeping track of claims, did we ever get a claim from Fire?

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You stating he went nowhere would make sense from a sk II PoV after all you would not get a good track from an II SK.

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Nope just looked at his ISO again and sure enough he has not claimed.

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II means Investigation Immune

From the wiki

Serial Killers are often awarded the win if all players die, typically done by wording the win condition akin to "you win when all other players are dead, whether you are alive or not".
Serial Killers are often given One-Shot or unlimited Bulletproof. This stymies attempts to kill the SK by the Mafia or Vigs, if temporarily.

Serial Killers have also been seen with investigation immunity like Godfathers, or Tracker/Watcher immunity like Ninjas.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Serial_Killer

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Slan I missed that math is NOT my best subject

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Well that makes more sense of why so much town power including a backup tracker/bp

having 4 plus 1 in a game this size I mean.

@ Slan

Why are you choosing heb over fire as the sk? Could you give some reasoning here?

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He has claimed VT, several us (other than Slan) think he is the SK.

If you do not hammer him, I doubt he will get lynched since Slan thinks you are the SK and Fire is not going to hammer himself.

However, if you feel there is a need for more discussion first, that is up to you.

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great just great

It is LYLO so please no votes yet.

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the wording there is bad, the mod meant backup BP, and tracker, Since we lynched the tracker (who was an utterly useless slot and it still totally boggles my mind with all those replacements not ONE single one of them actually DID anything ), Perf did get that ability. Had I been lynched earlier in the game, Perf would have also gotten my ability. Had Perf had full BP, he would not have died in the night.

Uggh either my read on you is off, or I am wrong about heb and he is the SK. Need to do some rereading.

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at Mod could you clarify that please? Since there seems to be some confusion over what you mean by backup BP.

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ohhhh ok so basically we had two until the tracker was lynched then he took on tracker and lost his bpness? is that what you are saying NotMafia?
Because he did die last night, and if he were still bp like me, he should not have died.

Still not sure which one of you two is the sk though. I had town reads on both of you

definitely need to take a look at some of the lynch votes and see if I can find any patterns.

Of course that works better with mafia team members.

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That is not the major issue when doing VCA. you are looking for patterns between scum players, like one on one off the wagon. Hammering by itself is not necessarily scummy.

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wait a minute I thought BP enabler meant he could make his scum budz BP against the vig? I really did not pay that much attention to it actually other than thinking oh great now some of the maf are BPs so we can't vig them.

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I really thought Fire was it. that is why I was so adamant about him, I was wrong :/

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Site is back

uggh you are not the only one Heb, I am trying to figure out if it is you, or slan and that means one of my two town reads was way off:(

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I am not going to hammer certainly not without getting a chance for Slan to speak after the site was down. I see no point in rushing.

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Skype? lol did you mean SK?

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Slan

I know because of the flips that there was no mafia BP , I meant my reaction when I saw a mafia BP enabler flip was oh great that means we could have mafia bps too, not that there definitely WERE. I would have rather had a town bp enabler. Then we would have had more town BPs to foil both the SK and the maf team.

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uggh I am definitely NOT going to quick hammer I do not want to vote until I am sure which one of you is the SK

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No but a mafia one would have enabled his buddies is what I meant and turned them BP it is quite surprising that he did not take advantage of that.

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Slan seemed to not get what I was trying to say.

There was a town vig, when I saw the flip of BP enabler being a MAFIA role, I was thinking great so he could make all the mafia players bullet proof.

Also meaning the SK even though at least at first, he would be pushing for townies I would think, would not be able to shoot the maf team members.

Luckily for us, the maf enabler dude must not have tried to use the power because none of the maf peeps came up with bullet proof when they flipped.


Not sure why someone of Slan's caliber is having so much trouble understanding my reasoning here though.


an enabler is someone who can make someone something in this case make someone bulletproof.

[RachMarie]

oh that I was not aware of I thought it was you could enable someone sorry ok my bad

I am still here just a bit swamped with a couple work projects.

[RachMarie]

I guess it was an exception in the game I was in where an enabler enabled without being dead.

[RachMarie]

I am going to do an iso read in a day or two when work load is a bit lighter and figure out which one. I can see pros and cons to both of you sigh

[RachMarie]

that is a good point, just right now Im on deadline and it takes a while to do an ISO read.

I have to admit Im more looking at him than you, you do feel more towny, yet I had a town feel from him early on

I hate LYLO lol

[RachMarie]

wb slan

now I have to figure out which one of you is lying

did I mention I hate LYLO lol

going to do some ISO diving

[RachMarie]

Question for both of you

What made you pick the person you picked over me, and why

[RachMarie]

Im still here been having a bad bought with my legs because I had to take off the bandages early so have not done much on my computer. I have an appointment today with wound care and they will redo my bandages which should keep the swelling down and therefore the pain down when I am sitting at the computer, I am hoping the infection has not come back as well Cellulitis infections are nasty, painful and hard to get rid of

[RachMarie]

I feel like I have the weight of the entire town on my shoulders here...

Time is running out so I am going to plow into those ISOs tonight.

and vote one of you.

[RachMarie]

Gods what a mess in this game,

Voting patterns really did not tell me much since most of the time both of you were on the same wagon at lynch time. It was a long shot since sk is out to get both the maf and the town, but thought it might help me clarify things.

Based on Perf's track thingy report Slan went nowhere, and I think he would have gotten a no result since i do think the sk is II not BP in this game.

Heb replaced in for illikebugs who basically just did a fadeaway which is NAI of course, but I do know that DGB when she was not uberdeath tunneling on the tracker slot, did periodically suggest bugs. She was most definitely wrong on her tunnel, but can't really blame her for that so many replacements and NOT ONE SINGLE ONE did his or her job which means we missed out on valuable info. That was a real bitter blow for us and KUDOS to Perf for stepping in.

On top of that the few times that Heb seemed suspicious of me they seem contrived mostly she has been rather solidly town reading me. I noticed that again when reading through. Meanwhile Slan was definitely suspicious especially around the whole claim thing when I stated I was town BP and Perf did too.

So I am making a decision and I do hope it is the right one, if I am wrong then Slan bloody well deserves this win.


VOTE: Heb

[RachMarie]

crap

Sorry Heb it was a tough decision and Slan really played well

uggh

Sorry everyone

[RachMarie]

yeah I guess I was wrong on that I figured since Perf tracked him, and cleared him that it was a full clear, I figured he would have gotten a "no result" instead of slan going nowhere.

It did bother me he was still alive in LYLO though he was not nearly as active as I am used to. My gut was saying slan but I could not ignore the tracker report. Obviously I was right on the investigation immune, I just did not expect it to completely ignore the result instead of coming back as no result.

@ Nero at that point I was not really paying attention to if it was you or your pred at the time, the fact you were pushing the sk had to be BP told me maf had shot at me and failed. I figure that Slan did too at some point. He did the suspicion well. Of course that told me you were scum lol.

Heb I am always suspicious of someone who town reads me too much save a very few people like Nacho cause I know if Nacho is scum he will focus on busing his scum buds, plus he is good at town reading me not always as good at scum reading me, and I always feel guilty when he is town and I am scum and we win the game because of it. It comes from my first game onsite when I cost us the game for trusting the person who was so town reading me.

[RachMarie]

uggh I wish I had replaced into tracker instead of bp I would have made that slot WORK That slot being a series of inactives really cost town a LOT

[RachMarie]

Now wait a minute Way and I were a weird 3rd party alternating kill SK and we won

Equinox I am so sorry all that happened. I think I replaced in a game on your reverie account.

[RachMarie]

LOL I thought that was funny, too

[RachMarie]

heb hang in there girl, you will get there. Overall you have good instincts, just have more confidence in your reads, even if they are wrong, you will still get further in the long run and you have more chance of convincing others you are right when you are.

[RachMarie]

will have to wait to find that out but probably Egg.

[RachMarie]

I have just cant remember which one offhand and it IS listed in the wiki that investigation immune was possible,

[RachMarie]

LOL in a way though that led us to our back up tracker who did a great job

ahh nice to be so loved there Slan

I have NO CLUE why my pred played the way he did, in fact I often find it totally baffling why my preds do what they do lol.

So Slan any idea why Perf got a fake positive result on you, that really was the tipping point I was set to vote you then when I went to reread some of that stuff and saw that is why I switched to Heb.

[RachMarie]

So I WAS right about you being investigation immune, well that is something at least