Mini 500 - Cult Mafia - Game Over!

[Guardian]

Official Vote Count #47

Oman[2](Mastermind of Sin, Tarhalindur)
Flameaxe[2](pwayne66, vollkan)
Tarhalindur[2](Oman, tyhess)


Not Voting[3](Trojan Horse, Flameaxe, theopor_COD)

[Oman]

The vote count was lonely.

[Guardian]

all games: possible v/la or only posting during the day due to computer issues.

[theopor_COD]

Okay. Time for some shit - I'm going to go through everyone one by one. No particular order this will probably take me a few days of my spare time at work but there you go. One other thing that just struck me was if CKD went to recruit a mafia would he die.

Tyhess

* Random votes Trojan.
* Moves vote onto Blackstrike, comments that he's acting weird, no expansion
* Keeps early vote on Blackstrike, still due to him being weird
* Unvotes after getting a bit of heat.
* Babbles on a bit more about the Doc.

What he said seemed pro scum, but others have convinced me they were suppose to be pro town

easily convinced huh?

* Some stuff about editing posts it was dealt with before, hops on to the Theo wagon - claiming that I changed my story, meh I can't remember what I was doing back then, I found Pwayne slightly defensive of Blackstrike got shot down for it and ended up looking slightly silly.
* Note - following (following other players opinions, is one big scumtell in my book)

And Oman. Everthing That I beleive about Theo was summed up by Vollkwagon.

* Some stuff regarding how the cult would act, doesn't really strike me as anything new.
* Gets very anti over the Editing post thing in 17 again. Comments a few posts later that he was acting weird not over-reacting.
* Posts a scumdar -

My Scumdar (in case anyone cares)

Some are pretty short, but whatever.....this is what I think:



Mastermind of Sin: He was the one that had a random vote on Page 4, which I thought was a littles scummish, but that has been explained as just not being there. I

still don't like the vote, but I will give him the benefit of doubt (For now)
Oman: No read yet. I know it's late in the game, but I'm still going to wait him out.
ac1983fan: No read (obviously).....needs to post......possibly the cultist and just reading posts???? probably not, but possible
Dr. Blackstrike: I've been keeping my eye on the Doc since his original idea. Someone thought that his quick apology for the idea was good for him, but I think it

made it even more suspicious.
curiouskarmadog: Nothing scummish imo yet.
pwayne66: Pro-town, imo
vollkan: Pro-town, imo
Trojan Horse: Interseting player. At times I have thought scum, but don't really have a real read on him yet.
Flameaxe: Same as Trojan Horse
White (r. Rump-Wat): Is posting A LOT. He says aggressive, and I'm starting to actually beelive him. He is doing the exact same thing in the other game I'm in with

him. So either he's scum in both games, or that is his play style. For now I'll beleive him.....I think that as much talknig as he's doing has to be pro-town.
theopor_COD: Still my vote. Possibility to change quickly.

* Thoughts on that - Calls AC possibly cultist, White - has to be pro-town, CKD - Nothing scummy. There's no real hardcore suspicions, it's very much a list done not to antagonise - gives MoS the benefit of the doubt, going to wait out on Oman, Pwayne and Volk are pro-town, Trojan and Flame are both interesting and he's possibly likely to change his vote from me, either way it all strikes me as wishy-washy and an analysis posted more not to upset than find scum.
* Volk makes a good point regarding his scumdar list, the following quote from Tyhess is interesting, it certainly wasn't obvious to me that he'd hope onto any of the below and why is ac1983 not on their.

I thought it was clear that if anything happened suspicious to MoS, Oman, Doc, Trojan Horse, Flameaxe, or White I wouldn't hesitate to jump on them for it.

* In post 25 raises the idea of just looking at three candidates. His top 3 are me, Mos and Dr.B no real explanation as to why them three especially considering he was giving MoS the benefit of the doubt before
* Seems confident AC isn't mafia . . . I know I disagreed.

but that is why I see him as a potential cultist, and more so than scum.

* Must go back and read what random crap I was spouting for him to comment in post 28. Interesting that he now thinks I might be pro-town
* Continues to babble on about focusing on just three people.
* Defends the now dead AC

Trojan, I don't think that it would be to smart to vote for ac.....for all intense and purposes we have no info on him, so even if we do kill him, we have nothing to help us go by in the next round.......Plus, if we just kill the lurker, and he's not scum, then its down to 10 people, with 2 scum, 1 cultist, and possibly a cult recruit. Not good for the town. I think that it would be smarter to go with someone that we atleast have a little but of info against to vote for.

* Moves vote onto MoS.
* I don't ever recall MoS being at lynch -1, meh maybe I missed it. Says MoS should not claim if he was at lynch -1. Disagree. Throws FOS's at Pwayne and Torjan for hopping off the wagon

MoS never said anything different than what he's been daying, except that if he was at lynch -1 (which he wasn't)

that someone should have told him to claim (whch they shouldn't have based on the cult).

* I kind of like his posts 44-46.
* Asks what's up with AC's replacement, ditto where Flameaxe has dissapeared to.
* Moves vote on to Flameaxe for lurking it seems
* Moves vote on to Tar, after Tar comes in and votes him.
* Posts reasons why he unvoted MoS, at least he did post reasons.
* Moves vote on to Trojan, after Trojan hops onto the Tyhess wagon, it's like OMGUS Voting hour. Comments that he's agreeing with White a lot, I kind of like this considering Whitey is dead town.
* Asks decent questions of Oman. Still after Tar's and Kakeng's thoughts = good.
* Some stuff which made my eyes glaze over.
* Comments on Tar's claim, wants to lynch him tomorrow not today, sticks pretty much with his earlier thoughts on lynching ac, so no inconsistency there.

As soon as Tar stated that in his other game he was town when he acted like that, I was 95% sure he was scum. However, I don't think that lynching him at this point

will help us out Day 2. If we lynch someone day 1 that has actually talked, then day 2 we could lynch tar and try to get more info by attacking people based on what

happened day 1, and then lynch one of those said people day 3, giving us an extra day to find the most likely candidate to be scum. If we lynch tar now, even if he is

scum, we gain next to nothing to help us tommorow. Either way we lynch tar, but lynching him tommorow would help us in the long run in my opinion.

* Slight defence of Pwayne. 80 is a decent post in my opinion actually.
* Loses it a bit after someone asks Kak to claim
* Long post 84, which I can't read in notepad due to the quotes will review on a re-read of the whole thread in order.
* Votes Kak near deadline, does at least stick his neck out.
* He gets terribly confused in 94.
* Comments that the cult leader could have recruited Volkan
* Votes Tar for his unexplained vote.

This is just added to the long list of things I haven't liked about Tar:
1) self vote (twice)
2) saying he used that tactic in another game and he was town in that game so he's obviously town in this one.
3) claiming vanilla without being asked to do so.
4) Using the same strategy as MoS, probably just because MoS talked himself out of being voted for.

My vote stands.

And that's pretty much him.

Opinions. Meh I dunno I actually get a pretty decent vibe from him, he's aside from his pretty piss-poor scumdar early on been actively attacking people. I don't see him as overly scummy in all honesty. There's a few things that have pinged me but that isn't a great surprise townies ping me plenty of times aswell, heck look at Kakeng. Either way not getting my vote today.

[theopor_COD]

EBWOP - Scrap that comment about CKD going for mafia and dieing, I've just re-read the Cult Leader's PM role. It seems they just can't be recruited nothing regarding the cultist dieing if he targets them.

Also whilst I plough through everyone it may take me some time so if I don't respond to any questions pronto, I will do at the end.

[theopor_COD]

Flameaxe

* Votes Volk before switching to Oman
* Doesn't approve of the Blackstrike editing posts, note it's in his sig.
* Agrees with CKD regards Blackstrike votes him. Agree with him that lynch -4 isn't much of a concern.
* Is pretty good in early argument re- Pwayne and Blackstrike. Not ignoring the mafia.
* Backs his vote up in 9. Seems legit. I also on reflection like 11 and 12. Mind I did at the time.

* Goes on an extended lurk, no real content until he posts his scumdar in 19 -

Anyway, since to oppressor wants more of these, I shall give him more! Reverse player list order, cause I'm just that awesome.

Theo: Didn't see the game was going for the first few pages, wasn't a fan of Dr. BS' early posting, others didn't like his stance too much.

A similar post from him would be helpful, but it doesn't seem all too necessary, as everyone's is basically pretty similar.

White (STOP OPPRESSING ME!): Very (keyword: very) pushy these last few pages. Seems very agressive, almost demanding things from people. (See: Scumdars) Does seem all pro-town and such, but it really isn't anything to make a definite conclusion of it.

Myself: Got tied up, then was busy with homecoming shit. He is here now, you no longer need to leave a message after the beep.

TrojH: Not a terribly amazing amount of posting from him quite yet (after re-reading, I can see the reasoning behind this. Good luck getting your PH.D.) Reading the posts he has made, they all seem reasonable and backed up. Not very high (or low) on my scum-o-meter.

Tyhess: If sliding in to the latest wagon with little support behind it was a drug, Tyhess might be the crackhead of the group. Following me earlier on the DBSwagon™ basically using my reasoning behind it and saying that he seemed "odd", making himself seem "odd" in the process. Agrees with many people about X topic. (see page 7, alot of posts with "I agree" as the opener.) Overreacts to the editing the topic shenanigans.

One of the higher players on my scum-o-matic 3000.

Pwayne: One of the more pro-town looking players. Very defensive though, seemed like he was against pressure voting and bullying. (both of which I was using earlier on against DBS) Low on my scumlist as of now.

CKD: I don't have a huge read on him yet. After a re-read, most of his posts just really seem like responses to other posters, and they don't really seem to lead me to any conclusion.

Dr. Blackstrike: Honestly, I'm still not a fan of his early play. The discussion on it may be over, but I'm still have some doubt in the "honest mistake" conclusion. Lurked once most pressure went away, -admitted- to that lurking and explained it as playstyle and "not knowing what to say". Would REALLY like some more analysis about the other players from you, seeing as we really don't have any at the current time. We can't even use your vote to judge your opinion really, as it hasn't changed since you basically OMGUS'd me very early on. (pages 2-4ish) Still have my eye on him.

Vollkan: Seems to be one of the leaders of most conversation, and I'll agree with White that most people don't really oppose his thoughts very much. Hasn't exactly been under a shitload of pressure, so there really isn't any way (for me) to determine scummyness.

Acfan: Do I really need to say anything? No. I need to write a song about lurkers to post in games with them, for sure.

Omanscum <3: Oi, my first game was with Mr. Oman, and his play here doesn't really fit with that of N417. This may mean something, it may not. As for now, I'm leaning towards not, at least until I see some posts now that I are back up to speed in the game. Definitely seems to be pushing discussion, very agreeing. Pressuring up on MoS. Could go either way with him, really.

MastermindOfSin: Somewhat defends me early on, gets pressure from Oman about it. For the most part, all I really see from him is him defending himself from attacks from others. Isn't really helping town ALL that much, but definitely is helping in some form. A simple player-thought post would be cool with me.

My conclusion:

I don't like the way tyhess has been playing so far. Yes, he may be a newb, but that alone doesn't justify the constant bandwagon jumping-on-ing. He has been asked to go back and try to justify these, and even post some thoughts about more of the game (potential scumz!) and I believe he has come up short with both. His latest post (to me) is yet another prime example of this. Therefore, Vote: Tyhess.

Ends up pushing at Tyhess, meh I'm not really sure what to make of that list it doesn't seem particularly aggressive but I guess early days, at least there's content their.

* Dissapears again for a while, jokes around regarding the mod extending the deadline. No real scum hunting going down (note - I don't actually think that's all that much of a scum-tell against Flame, metagame reason).
* Flips a bit at Oman and Volkan ditto CKD circa posts Sept 26.
* Posts analysis - starts on White (dead town) and Tyhess. Mainly based on both attacking MoS - hence a defence for MoS.
Both end up town of his suspect list . . I'm finding it pretty rational to be honest, puts some decent pressure on Tyhess/White, yes White was town but I can see townies doing it.

Yes, and I went after the two people I believe to be scum. What's the matter White? Don't like a little pressure on yourself for once?

* Next few posts I need to read back in order.
* Very little aside from White and Tyhess, no comment on 75% of the players
* Continues to babble on that he's not a nice person
* Posts another short scumlist - doesn't even include me (sad)

Tyhess, Troj, White, Kageng, CKD, MoS, Pwayne, Ouman, Tar, Vollkan. In order.

Tyhess: Constant bandwagon hopping and MoS attacking; not a whole lot of posting either.
Troj: Doesn't have his own opinion on people; easily pressured into voting (and unvoting) recently.
White: See my post a few pages ago (27).
Kageng: Replaced AC (lurked in plain sight early on, vanished later on), still waiting for the rest of that analysis...before the deadline would be just peachy.
CKD: Under the radar most of today, in my opinion. Hasn't really come under any pressure yet.
MoS: His "trap" did make him look scummy, but I'm finding myself believing that "it's a trap!" (Admiral Ackbar!)
Pwayne: Seemed fairly townie early on, not sure what to make of his recent absence.
Ouman: Overall seems fairly townie to me.
Tar: Haven't heard anything from him yet, lynching him before we do would be just plain dumb.
Vollkan: Same deal as Ouman.

Thoughts on that - first time Trojan's been mentioned in Flame's posts - possible scum pair.

* Comments on the Tar lynch. Nothing earth shattering. Still no real forceful attacks at anyone, major curiousity, yeah he's dug at White and Tyhess but that's pretty soft.
* No real content around the deadline, goes on a long lurk, comments that other games were more important, hmm
* Not a great deal today, seems a little peturbed by Tar's vote. I didn't find it overly scummy, unexplained votes are good for reactions, what-not etc. Wants some action yet hasn't really promoted any himself.


Thoughts Overall - Considering we're on page 49 I'm pretty unimpressed but I'm not overly convinced it indicates scum. Flame has certainly not expressed much suspicion of people, attacked people etc, hell I think he's mentioned me probably once in the whole game. The other thing is if he's town I'd expect people to be all over him like a rash, infact I'd expect people to be all over like him a rash whatever his alignment. He needs to start playing personally. However I'm pretty unconvinced if he's actually scum being useless or town being useless.

[Flameaxe]

Town being useless.

[Trojan Horse]

Theo has an awful lot of time on his hands. Way more than I have.

Thanks for taking the time to give everything another look.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm starting to wonder at a Flameaxe-Trojan scumpair. Just look at Trojan's posts selectively and search for "flame". Go down the list: the few times he mentions Flameaxe, I'm sure you'll see a pattern.

[Mastermind of Sin]

EBWOP: *starting to wonder at a Flameaxe-Trojan scumpair, too.

Don't want to give the impression that I'm stealing Theo's theory as my own. His Flame post definitely tipped me off to look at that. I'm a big fan of the avoidance theory for scumpairs. See: Mini 458.

[vollkan]

First up, nice analysis Theo. Particularly, your look at tyhess has made him look less suspicious in my eyes; supporting the idea that he is probably a newb town.

I think flame is scummier than you do, but that may just be that I tend to be pretty harsh on non-contribution generally. In any case, it gives me something to think about.

I'm starting to wonder at a Flameaxe-Trojan scumpair. Just look at Trojan's posts selectively and search for "flame". Go down the list: the few times he mentions Flameaxe, I'm sure you'll see a pattern.

I ran things through Gemelli's mafia parser and I see your point. Taking the relevant quotes/quote extracts:

I don't know about this bandwagon on Flameaxe; to me, he hasn't acted any scummier than anyone else. Then again, I don't know who else to go after.

Gonna take a good look at flameaxe's posts next. If I agree with the bandwagon, I'll jump on; otherwise, I'll be back to square one.

As for Flameaxe, I still don't think there was much of a case against him either (don't repeat the arguments, vollkan; I read them already).

Flameaxe: Was subject to an early bandwagon. I didn't quite buy the reasons for it at the time, and I still don't. Oy vey... I'm starting to realize that I've put most people into the "possibly scummy, but no hard evidence, I dunno" category, including Flameaxe. I gotta kick this scumdar again.

Flameaxe: Not posting since Monday, despite early contributions.

I am glad Flameaxe is back, and that he had a legitimate reason for his absence.

I'll take a look at the Flameaxe/White thing now

Okay, looked over Flameaxe/White. You know what? I'm sure the scum were sitting back and laughing there for a minute, glad that the heat was off them for a while. This whole thing started off with Flameaxe saying that his schedule had gotten in the way of a deep analysis; something I can certainly sympathize with, given what I have on my plate right now. It looks like White just saw an opportunity to apply a little pressure to Flameaxe and look for scumtells. And then Flameaxe responded in kind. Natural mafia play. Null tells from both.

The current bandwagon is Flameaxe now? Never saw anything all that scummy from him. Like Tar, I better look over Flameaxe's posts. (Again, there's a good chance I'll join in simply because lynch is better than no lynch.)

Another newbish comment from tyhess. More grounds for lynching? Perhaps. I'd certainly prefer to lynch tyhess than Flameaxe.
Unvote, Vote tyhess

Note: I'm prepared to switch to Flameaxe at the last minute, if that's what it takes to avoid a no lynch. Better to lynch someone of average scumminess than to lynch no one.

I said at the end of day 1 that I didn't understand the Flameaxe bandwagon; I considered Kakeng and tyhess to both be better targets. Well, I finally have a reason to be suspicious of Flameaxe; one that didn't arise until the end of the day, too late for me to respond to it. We were all scrambling to find someone to lynch (way better to take a shot then to no lynch), but Flameaxe seemed content to just sit back and let us fight. Maybe he didn't care if we ended up with a no lynch?

So now my eye is on MoS for holding back a bit at the start of day 1, and on Flameaxe for holding back at the end of day 1. And that's about all I've got.

Didn't phrase that so well, I guess. I'm just saying a protown player should be more concerned about what happens in those final hours than Flameaxe appeared to be. He could've been confident that the town was going to do the wrong thing anyway (either through a mislynch or a no lynch), so why rock the boat.

Then again, Flameaxe was one of the bandwagons at the end, wasn't he? So he should've had some concern if he WAS scum. Man, now I'm talking myself out of my reasoning.

Flameaxe wrote:
I went to bed the night before we went to night, planning on posting the next morning, but woke to a self hammer by Kakeng. Quite simple bodily processes.

Heh. Fair enough.

Probably just noticed a few of us saying things against Flameaxe, and decided to go with the crowd.

Of the three current bandwagons, my preference would be for a Flameaxe vote, due to his unhelpfulness at the end of day 1. But since jumping on any of these bandwagons would bring that person's vote count to 3 (oh no! 3rd on the bandwagon! must be scum! lynch lynch!), I'll content myself with a FoS: Flameaxe for now.

The emerging "pattern" of support is fairly apparent. I'm not a big fan of linking scumpairs until the alignment of one is known, but this definitely is something that is worth looking into. Both flame and trojan were also high on my list yesterday (Trojan = 70% and Flame = 75%)

[theopor_COD]

I'm probably being a bit blinkered towards Flame due to a recent experience elsewhere.

I'll be moving on my analysis during tonight with some luck. Work pending.

[theopor_COD]

EBWOP - 1210 Good post. Something to look at when I get to Trojan.

[pwayne66]

Wow. Give me a bit to digest.

A few questions for Flameaxe while I do.

1) Do you think that the town has legitmate concerns about your contributions?

2) If so, why the lack of content?

3) If not, do you care to explain why?

[Flameaxe]

I have answers, expect them as soon as I get home to my own computer.

[Oman]

Vollkan found some good links there...how interesting.

[theopor_COD]

Trojan Horse

* Votes Blackstrike
* No shit

To weigh in on what has been discussed; obviously, our top priority is lynching either culties or mafia.

Also I get an early vibe of following, CKD prods MoS, Trojan then posts

Hmm... lemme go see if MoS is posting elsewhere.

Okay, MoS posted a bunch of times (in other games) yesterday evening. So he's definitely around.

* Removes vote from Blackstrike. Note to self to see if there's any inconsistency in his thoughts on claims

I had a thought: how on earth are we going to handle claims at the start of the game? Once we've reached a consensus on who is scummy, should we demand a claim from that person? If we do, and that person says "townie", we're in a bit of a pickle. It may well be best to lynch them; they may be lying, and even if they're not, it'll deny the cult a possible recruit.

* Excuse for not finding scum, plus early defence of Flame.

I am now realizing what I always realize when I play in the scumchat room; my scumdar is broken. I don't know about this bandwagon on Flameaxe; to me, he hasn't acted any scummier than anyone else. Then again, I don't know who else to go after.

* Moves his eye onto Tyhess, for acting weird. Seems afraid to attack him mind, infact I can't make any sense of the below aside from thinking it's scummy.

My eye right now is on tyhess. I agree with pwayne, he has been acting "weird". Thing is, he just joined the forums, and he's been acting like the typical newbie so far. So is he just a newbie town, or a newbie scum? RRR... if he'd been here for a few weeks already, I'd probably be voting for him now. Not sure I can attack him for newbness though.

* Next post votes Tyhess, almost seems joking. Wants to see how he reacts.
* Very next post he makes he unvotes, quotes he still looks newbish but not scummy. Wish he'd make his mind up, ever so wishy-washy. Note another link with Flame in 9.
* Post 11 - his gut tells him Tyhess is scummy yet again and he votes him.
* Calls me slighty scummy, doesn't at least jump on the wagon.
* Posts his scumdar, I'm going to quote all of these because I think they will probably be important

Mastermind of Sin: So far, seems to have been playing exactly as per form, except for the fact that he didn't jump in until some time had passed. Unusual for a veteran like him, but perhaps he just forgot about this game.

Oman: Okay, I finally took a closer look at the "duel" between MoS and Oman a few pages back. So, Oman was suspicious of flameaxe and theo, while MoS was not so

suspicious of them, and that set Oman off. Or something like that. (I'm a bit more confused about it now than I was before I read it.) That "duel" didn't make either

of them seem more or less scummy to me.

ac1983fan: Hard to pick up on scumtells when there are so few posts to analyze. Perhaps a "come on now, talk" vote is in order. I'll think about it.

vollkan: Seems to be the most reasonable player so far. I really hope he's not scum.

Dr. Blackstrike: Dare I say it, his game has been the most similar to mine so far, outside of that faulty strategy comment at the start. An occasional post to say

that he hasn't picked up on much yet, but that he's still looking. Guess I'd be the uber-hypocrite if I attacked him for that.

curiouskarmadog: Middle of the road. Haven't picked up on anything unusual yet.

pwayne66: Was one of those that helped disarm the early bandwagon on Dr. Blackstrike, and rightfully so. Then again, if the Doctor does turn up scum, this will be a

mark on pwayne. Just something to file in the memory banks for later.

If I was really cruel, I'd pull out an LAL vote for pwayne, since he said he wouldn't post all weekend, then proceeded to post.

tyhess: Still the newb, and still my vote, though I give him a slightly lower scumdar rating now than I did before. I'm open to alternatives.

Flameaxe: Was subject to an early bandwagon. I didn't quite buy the reasons for it at the time, and I still don't. Oy vey... I'm starting to realize that I've put

most people into the "possibly scummy, but no hard evidence, I dunno" category, including Flameaxe. I gotta kick this scumdar again.

White (r. Rump-Wat): Man. He's posting way differently as White than he did as Rump-Wat. Maybe he got recruited during the day?

Seriously though, White has a much better scumdar than I do if MoS turns out to be scum. I really don't want to jump on that bandwagon, considering MoS seems to be

playing as usual. But I can't fault White for applying a little pressure.

(By the way, White, I'm only a newb when in comes to forum games. I've been "making my lettuce" in chatroom games.)

theopor_COD: An early lurker, but a solid contributer since.

So, who's at the top of my list? Tyhess, barely. I guess acfan would be up there as well, simply because he's said so little... but if he starts talking, he'll

probably move down my list. And after that... RRR. I don't know! I've gotta find some other candidate. I'll keep looking things over.

It is very wishy-washy, no real major suspicions, no real concerns. It's actually pathetic.

* I call him out on his nice-nicey analysis, responds he will look harder, yeh scum usually ought to try a bit harder.
* Post 16, expresses suspicion of MoS says he did some research and MoS goes higher in his suspicions, there's actually no reason in the post why though. Seems more a playstyle issue. Comments that MoS is playing conservatively.
* Prods AC slightly, I can see scum jumping on AC a bit more knowing know that he wasn't mafia, so I guess a point in his favour. The last line of 18 still makes me laugh

I eagerly await theo's next post, as he completes his breakdown of all the players. Hope he doesn't think I'm too scummy.

* Mos votes him for the above quote, his main defence was that they're should have been a smiley, Trojan votes MoS.
* Seems a little bit concerned aswell following the MoS vote

Finally, what's this about -1? I never saw more than 5 votes on MoS at any one time. Did I miscount?

Do I believe that? Or was it a sly attempt by scum to board a wagon nearing the lynch number.

* How would all three know each other was scum? There's only two players who know anyone else to be scum.

Incidentally; this game seems to have temporarily devolved into MoS versus pwayne and White, with everyone else (including myself) taking a back seat. If one of those three is scum, I wouldn't mind this so much. But it's bad news if all three bad guys are just sitting back and watching the town rip itself to shreds.

* Another little scumdar list

Mastermind of Sin: As I said before, took a while before honing in on a suspect. A bit longer than I thought he would take.

Oman: Pushing me into making this post.

ac1983fan: Nothing beyond his total absence. I'll have to wait until he is replaced.

vollkan: Seems to have more interest in the game than anyone else. Maybe he's so interested because he's scum? (Weak, I know.)

Dr. Blackstrike: There was his strategy suggestion at the start, of course. But now there's something bigger: somehow, he keeps finding time to make posts, but not to

make posts with any content to them. Doing just barely enough to avoid modkills and suspicion, perhaps?

curiouskarmadog: Can't find anything yet.

pwayne66: Defused the early bandwagon on Dr. Blackstrike. Could be townie behavior; could be he just didn't think the Doc was scummy. Or it could be he was defending

a scummate.

tyhess: The bandwagon hopping is the most suspicious thing.

Flameaxe: Not posting since Monday, despite early contributions.

White: Being willing to replace into a silly game like this. Seriously though, nothing looks fishy at all.

theopor_COD: The unwarranted attack on pwayne early on, back when pwayne was defusing the early bandwagon on Dr. Blackstrike. Does that contradict what I said about

pwayne? I guess it does.

And finally, can't let myself off the hook:

Trojan Horse: Being swayed easily by other people's arguments. Are they really changing my mind, or am I scum trying to avoid suspicion?

Again it seems very apologetic, I don't even know why he posted it. Reading the list personally I think he finds himself the scummiest wtf. There's just no aggressive scum hunting going down at all so far.

* Asks how the replacement situ is getting on.
* Still has nothing worth noting, spells it out even, looks to possibly push something towards CKD.

Perhaps I should have said "An attempt at more meaningful thoughts" to come tonight. Cause I looked over the posts since I made my last major post, looking for more things to go on... and I didn't find much.

* Responds to one of my posts. It's probably worth quoting the exchange.

Trojan Horse is another guy who's slowly pricking my senses, reading his posts a lot of them seem to be fence sitting, he'll vote someone and then unvote. No real hardcore feelings almost as if he's in the know and is happy to play along with whatever's going down.

This comment is okay. The reason why you haven't seen any hardcore feelings from me yet is because... well... I sadly don't have any yet. You can take a good look at my posts where I listed my thoughts on each player; if it looks like I'm grasping at straws, it's because I am.

Frankly after however many pages we're at, this isn't good enough, a townie should have some freaking suspicions even if they're wrong.

Notice he shoots me down for continuing to go after AC, now its possible AC is cult if Trojan is mafia, but either way it's a defence for a scummy player who isn't here and frankly anyone defending a scummy player, is chance has scummy aswell. Town can defend scummy town but from experience mafia do it more often to look good, yes they attack scummy town aswell but it works both ways.

* Another scum sucker of a post

I'll have to vote for MoS or tyhess based on weak evidence. Give me something better to go on, if you have

it.

Asks for someone to vote for!!
And lo and behold changes his opinion slightly on ac, complete turnaround from post 30

Oh, and theo... lemme go see what acfan said before he got replaced. I'll go see what you're talking about.

Interesting that I post the case against AC, he raises his suspicion a notch

Okay. I'll raise acfan/Kakeng's scummy level a notch. But just a notch.

* Comments that he won't be worried about AC's dissapearance if Kakeng performs.
* Votes Tyhess, first time he's mentioned him for a while, note - comes after MoS asks him to commit to a vote. The last line strikes me as well another weird jokey scumtell

Alright then MoS, I'll commit. Not happy about it, but I'll commit.

Vote tyhess

Never was happy with all of his bandwagon hopping at the start of the game. Could just be newbishness, but it could also be an opportunistic scum, hiding behind the

fact that he's a newb.

Sure hope I got it right.

You guys guessed where my vote's going yet?

Moving on lol

* Gets called out for his pressured vote on Tyhess, the below yet again strikes me as something scum would say

I'm getting a bit tired of having to waffle because I don't feel too strongly about anyone as of yet.

he then unvotes Tyhess.

* Defends Flame in 37.
* Joking is a scumtell you know.
* Post 40 - comments he has 4 suspects. Tyhess for being newb like. MoS for his early play. CKD for well "flying under the radar" - note CKD was scum but not mafia, so they would assume he's town. White is on the list for promoting activity as far as I can tell and was also town. No Flameaxe incidentally and no Kakeng dead town = which is I guess a plus point, however this strikes me as knowking Kakeng would come up town/cult (not mafia anyways)

Yeah, forgot about acfan/Kakeng there. It was an awfully small notch. Put him on at the same level as White: I expect that I'll be satisfied with Kakeng's behavior, and that will be that.

* Does some metagaming on AC/Kakeng and AC did similar in another game, feels happier about Kak again defends the non scum.
* Calls Tar out for his lurking.
* Willing to vote for him if he doesn't appear.
* Next few posts seem pretty low-key, not much going on, definately no scumhunting.
* Oh look another scum looking post, how many is that - reasons follows someone CKD, wants to lynch a lurker.

You just had to give me another thing to think about, CKD. Tar definitely hasn't been a very helpful replacement yet. (Hmm. Perhaps Kakeng deserves a look for the same reason.) Do we want to do a lurker-lynch? I'm tempted.

* Few more contentless posts.
* Actually wants to force pressure on the lurker circa posts 62 - 66.
* Comments that we have no choice but to lynch Tar in 68. Votes Kakeng. Defends Pwayne heavily in 70.
* 71 doesn't believe the RB claim, interesting this regards Flame

The current bandwagon is Flameaxe now? Never saw anything all that scummy from him. Like Tar, I better look over Flameaxe's posts. (Again, there's a good chance I'll join in simply because lynch is better than no lynch.)

And another interesting link to Flame nearing deadline, either way I don't see a Trojan/Tyhess scum team.

Another newbish comment from tyhess. More grounds for lynching? Perhaps. I'd certainly prefer to lynch tyhess than Flameaxe.

Unvote, Vote tyhess

Note: I'm prepared to switch to Flameaxe at the last minute, if that's what it takes to avoid a no lynch. Better to lynch someone of average scumminess than to lynch

no one.

* Switches to Kakeng near deadline.
* Not a great deal yet today
* I probably ought to look more carefully at 79 & 80 because they are possibly inconsistencies to his earlier thoughts.
* Tar's not the lynch today, my I thought you thought it possible he was yesterday.
* Doesn't want to join the Oman wagon, it strikes me as defend a townie day again, first Tar then Oman. I'd say plus points for Tar and Oman.
* Slight defence of Oman, this could be distancing, an FOS is hardly freaking pressure.

In other news, I perused Oman's earlier posts, looking for anything that might set my scumdar off. And I barely got a "bloop" on the scumdar. Of the three current bandwagons, my preference would be for a Flameaxe vote, due to his unhelpfulness at the end of day 1. But since jumping on any of these bandwagons would bring that person's vote count to 3 (oh no! 3rd on the bandwagon! must be scum! lynch lynch!), I'll content myself with a FoS: Flameaxe for now.

My that took a while, chances are all I'll have time for tonight - final thoughts.

This guy just strikes me as scum, in every way. I've still got the other five players to analyse but if anyone comes out scummy than trojan then I'll be damned.

Vote Trojan Horse

[Trojan Horse]

Wow. Now that's a tough act to follow. So many things to respond to. It'll take time. I guess I'll just do the same thing Flameaxe did and say

"Town being useless"

and try to come up with some meaningful responses later. (Just so you know: tomorrow is one of my full teaching days. But Thursday I only have one class, so I have some free time.)

Finally; at some point, we should pitch in and do one of these breakdowns for theo. Not that I think he's scum; I just think turnabout is fair play.

[Oman]

Uh!

Unvote Vote Trojan Horse

Not only were the two arguments very persuasive, but also this line:

Finally; at some point, we should pitch in and do one of these breakdowns for theo. Not that I think he's scum; I just think turnabout is fair play.

That is a useless line and everytime I've seen it its scum trying to deflect.

[Trojan Horse]

The other times you saw it, was it scum trying to get a breakdown on a single person doing breakdowns on everyone else? *shakes head* I just wanted to complete the set of arguments, that's all.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oman needs to die.

[vollkan]

Another good post by Theo, summarising the case against Trojan.

So many things to respond to. It'll take time.

I guess I'll just do the same thing Flameaxe did and say

"Town being useless"

Two points:
1) After my previous post (the Flame-Trojan links), I was somewhat surprised to see Trojan at it again.
2) The "town being useless" thing is no excuse or defence for your actions. I appreciate there is a lot to respond to, but why even bother saying "town being useless" when it is evidently a dodgy excuse.

Uh! Unvote Vote Trojan Horse Not only were the two arguments very persuasive, but also this line:

Finally; at some point, we should pitch in and do one of these breakdowns for theo. Not that I think he's scum; I just think turnabout is fair play.

That is a useless line and everytime I've seen it its scum trying to deflect.

I really have a problem with people voting solely off other people's arguments; it always reeks of opportunism to me.

Furthermore, I don't quite understand why you place weight on the request for a Theo analysis (an effort to add in some superficial original content, perhaps?). Theo might well be scum, so it should make sense that we do an analysis of him. I understand Trojan could be attempting a deflection, but it's hardly a particularly viable strategy.

[Oman]

1) After my previous post (the Flame-Trojan links), I was somewhat surprised to see Trojan at it again.

I'm sure it was a parody.

I really have a problem with people voting solely off other people's arguments; it always reeks of opportunism to me.

You may think that, but your arguments persuaded me mightly. Its the strongest two-player link all game.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Thanks for giving me credit on that one, Oman.

[tyhess]

Oman needs to die.

Why??? You're kind of starting to piss me off-you keep acting like your so much better than all of us at this game. I think that we should look into theo as well, but maybe that really has happened in a game before and that's why he's saying that. And I also hate posts that give us no information (ie:Oman needs to die)