Mini 500 - Cult Mafia - Game Over!

[Guardian]

Official Vote Count #46

Oman[2](Mastermind of Sin, Tarhalindur)
Flameaxe[2](pwayne66, vollkan)
Tarhalindur[2](Oman, tyhess)


Not Voting[3](Trojan Horse, Flameaxe, theopor_COD)

[tyhess]

tyhess, you're reaching. Just because Tarhalindur made a vote that could be argued as OMGUS does not draw any parallels to what I did. I presented a case that said there was *probably* a scum on my wagon,

one out of four

, not

all

of them. To say that this equates to "everyone that votes me is scum" is not only a gross misrepresentation, but it's complete bullshit to compare it to Tar's actions.

Yes, but that's what Tar said he was doing. He said he was hoping someone would attack him, which was a scumtell.

[vollkan]

Yes, but that's what Tar said he was doing. He said he was hoping someone would attack him, which was a scumtell.

No, tyhess, it is not a scumtell. I hate the tactic because it usually is not a great help (though I have seen it succeed in the past) but it is not a scumtell. In fact, whenever people pull stupid stunts they have always come up town for me. That doesn't mean I consider it a town-tell (WIFOM obv), but it is not a scumtell.

[Flameaxe]

tyhess, you're reaching. Just because Tarhalindur made a vote that could be argued as OMGUS does not draw any parallels to what I did. I presented a case that said there was *probably* a scum on my wagon,

one out of four

, not

all

of them. To say that this equates to "everyone that votes me is scum" is not only a gross misrepresentation, but it's complete bullshit to compare it to Tar's actions.

Yes, but that's what Tar said he was doing. He said he was hoping someone would attack him, which was a scumtell.

And whats to say this wasn't his idea at all, and just said that because his first plan failed? The first plan of course being sparking up the wagon on me from the end of day 1. Its far fetched, but still definitely possible, seeing Tar's lack of doing anything other than jumping between the current wagon of the day and jumping on his own wagon.

[tyhess]

Yes, but that's what Tar said he was doing. He said he was hoping someone would attack him, which was a scumtell.

No, tyhess, it is not a scumtell. I hate the tactic because it usually is not a great help (though I have seen it succeed in the past) but it is not a scumtell. In fact, whenever people pull stupid stunts they have always come up town for me. That doesn't mean I consider it a town-tell (WIFOM obv), but it is not a scumtell.

I didn't mean what he did was a scum tell(which is what I think you thought I meant)....I meant that he said that if someone voted for him and overreacted it was a scumtell....

[vollkan]

I didn't mean what he did was a scum tell(which is what I think you thought I meant)....I meant that he said that if someone voted for him and overreacted it was a scumtell....

*blink* Erm...aren't you voting for Tar? And you did say this

I don't like this either.

Your going into MoS's "if you vote for me you're scum" theory, which I didn't like in the first place.

You should have given a reason for your vote-and I doubt Oman was trying to avert the attention from Flameaxe, given that you posted 0(zero) facts against Flameaxe. Adding this to what you did last round (self vote, etc), I'm going to

Vote: Tar

and

I however don't think its reasonable. There were other people already pressuring Flameaxe, so if he was trying to get a reaction from someone other than Flameaxe, he didn't have to vote without a reason. Same thing if he was trying to get a reaction from Flameaxe- there was no reason to vote without a reason since others were already pressuring him.

This is just added to the long list of things I haven't liked about Tar:
1) self vote (twice)
2) saying he used that tactic in another game and he was town in that game so he's obviously town in this one.
3) claiming vanilla without being asked to do so.

4) Using the same strategy as MoS, probably just because MoS talked himself out of being voted for.

My vote stands.

FoS: tyhess

for blatant contradiction.

[Oman]

I'm with the interrigator here (yes, I still can't spell).

FoS: tyhess

[Trojan Horse]

So he said that he said that he said that this is a scumtell... *mind reels*

Tell me if my understanding is off, but it looks like tyhess was simply REPEATING Tar's claim about a certain behavior being a scumtell. I don't see where tyhess AGREED that it was a scumtell. So I don't see the contradiction here.

In other news, I perused Oman's earlier posts, looking for anything that might set my scumdar off. And I barely got a "bloop" on the scumdar. Of the three current bandwagons, my preference would be for a Flameaxe vote, due to his unhelpfulness at the end of day 1. But since jumping on any of these bandwagons would bring that person's vote count to 3 (oh no! 3rd on the bandwagon! must be scum! lynch lynch!), I'll content myself with a

FoS: Flameaxe

for now.

[vollkan]

Tell me if my understanding is off, but it looks like tyhess was simply REPEATING Tar's claim about a certain behavior being a scumtell. I don't see where tyhess AGREED that it was a scumtell. So I don't see the contradiction here.

No. There is a contradiction.

Tyhess listed the fact that Tar was using MoS's strategy as a factor in his suspicion of Tar. However, tyhess has now just said that he does not think it is a scumtell, after I challenged him on it being a scumtell.

[tyhess]

You misread my quote volkan, or I misread yours. My original quote meant that tar said that if anyone voted/overreacted that it was a scumtell. I repeated what he said as a reason for me voting for him. Then you said that it wasn't a scumtell. I thought you misread my sentence, and I was saying that I wasn't repeating that it was a scumtell but that Tar said people voting/overreacting was a scumtell, not that what he did was scumtell. I haven't seen that strategy enough to term it a scumtell, however; I just don't like it, and that is what I said in the comments you quoted.

[Trojan Horse]

*pulls out hair*

Okay, let me get this straight. We've had THREE things mentioned as possible scumtells:

1. Tar's original unexplained vote on Flameaxe, followed by an unvote and an explanation that he was looking for reactions

2. Oman's vote on Tar for doing #1

3. Tar's vote on Oman for doing #2

If I understand correctly, Tar called #2 a scumtell, and tyhess called #3 a scumtell. Am I correct? (Considering my mind is swimming in confusion right now, I could well be completely off...)

[Trojan Horse]

In any case, I'd say that none of the above are really scumtells...

[Flameaxe]

I don't really think throwing a pretty unexplained vote on day 2 is completely pro-town looking.

[vollkan]

You misread my quote volkan, or I misread yours. My original quote meant that tar said that if anyone voted/overreacted that it was a scumtell. I repeated what he said as a reason for me voting for him. Then you said that it wasn't a scumtell. I thought you misread my sentence, and I was saying that I wasn't repeating that it was a scumtell but that Tar said people voting/overreacting was a scumtell, not that what he did was scumtell. I haven't seen that strategy enough to term it a scumtell, however; I just don't like it, and that is what I said in the comments you quoted.

I misread your post that said:

Yes, but that's what Tar said he was doing. He said he was hoping someone would attack him, which was a scumtell.

I thought in here you were saying that people attacking Tar was a scumtell.

UnFoS: Tyhess

[Oman]

I will now say

UnFoS: tyhess

I'm not just following vollkan, we had the same problem.

Now: Re: Troj's 1185

I think that #1 is a scumtell. the intent was to get a wagon on Bam going, but when that failed Tar attempted a cover up and tried to get a wagon on me going for it( #3)

[Mastermind of Sin]

I thought he meant it was a scumtell that Tar was claiming to be doing that.

[Mastermind of Sin]

*bump*

I'll be gone this weekend for an Ultimate Tourney, so don't expect any posts.

[theopor_COD]

Same here, I'm working away next week, so will have no kids and partner to attend to - so this game gets top priority. Expect something substantial Tuesdayish.

[Trojan Horse]

I hope you've picked up on something that I haven't, theo. I'm thinking about a Flameaxe lynch, just for his apparent lack of interest at the end of day 1, and for lack of anything better to go on.

[Oman]

Aye Trojan, I'd go for a Flameaxe lynch.

[Flameaxe]

I'd bandwagon that.

[vollkan]

Aye Trojan, I'd go for a Flameaxe lynch.

I thought you would have learnt by now how much casual lynch support raises my eyebrows. You haven't mentioned any suspicion of flameaxe up until now.

[Oman]

Cause the game has stalled Vollkan, and one super cool wagon might bring it back.

Its casual lynch support, because I casualy support the wagon, whether it lynches or not is really regardless, I just want the activity.

[Flameaxe]

I would like activity too.

[Guardian]

if anyone needs prodding, it is incumbent upon you to request me to do so...