Mini 1793: Freedom's Call (uPick Anything): Finale

[Demonic Angel]

a whole hoard of otters sounds p much like a 100% scumrole to me...

VOTE: Postie

[Demonic Angel]

WHY HASNT POSTIE BEEN LYNCHED YET

[Demonic Angel]

^Exhibit B

[Demonic Angel]

Well Postie's claimed scum at this point.

Hopefully Gamma is scum as well to give me more of a run for my money.

[Demonic Angel]

To clarify - I believe you about your flavour not flipping and even perhaps that your flavour is some kind of sex creature; what I don't believe is that your flavour doesn't flip purely because the mod deemed it "too sexual".

So I put this out there for what reason then? I feel like you are fishing for a claim here. I think we just found scum

'just' now?

You're a bit late drmy.

[Demonic Angel]

To clarify - I believe you about your flavour not flipping and even perhaps that your flavour is some kind of sex creature; what I don't believe is that your flavour doesn't flip purely because the mod deemed it "too sexual".

Trying to scumhunt with flavor on what isn't even a full claim (and shouldn't be) is dumb

I kinda want to bitch at ranger too for partially claiming but if he thinks he has a decent chance of getting investigated n1 then it's fine despite liking people who are cheekier about it to be a more likely nightkill

Vote: Yume

I knew it

[Demonic Angel]

Pretty sure shotty's partial flip is just part of his role. like, a self-jan or whatever. it's NU and he was right to claim it.

[Demonic Angel]

That's what I thought he was saying anyway...

[Demonic Angel]

Signing is for suckers.

[Demonic Angel]

Totally didn't say I'm hydra-ing with Fate in the sign-up thread or anything. Naw, yo.

Postie what happens if you don't include a with one of your posts?

[Demonic Angel]

Are you familiar with the Salem Witch Trials, Postie?

[Demonic Angel]

In Salem, they had a particular way of testing a suspect of Witchcraft. They would tie something extremely heavy, like a large stone, to the "witch". That weight would act as an anchor. The "witch" was then tossed into a lake. If she somehow defied gravity and floated to the surface despite the weight of the anchor, they would be confirmed a witch. If they sank to the bottom and drowned, they would be cleared of all charges postmortem.

[Demonic Angel]

So what happens if I make you not post an emoticon two more times?

[Demonic Angel]

So what happens if I make you not post an emoticon two more times?

Well I don't die or anything.

Boring.

[Demonic Angel]

also I'm done reading what has happened so far and my god this game is a trainwreck

Gamma, wanna posse up?

let's do it but i have a requirement

only sane people in the posse regardless of how town they are
y/n?

hah like sanity helps catch scum

[Demonic Angel]

My role PM says I get three warnings and, while I've messed up three times now, I haven't gotten any warnings so hopefully I'm still good.

Burn the witch.

[Demonic Angel]

And yet, you're basically using meta in townreading people to say that Anti isn't a townread because you're not familiar with his meta. ??????

No? I'm not using any meta to townread people?
It's just that the people I'm townreading have been town in a way I don't think is easy to fake, whereas I'm not sure I can say the same for Anti. I'm leaning town on him now though, mainly because his annoyance at not being townread feels town.

Right, because actively encouraging other players to townread you in particular is totally in line with a town win condition...

[Demonic Angel]

Intended to out this yesterday: We're an informed townie. At least one member of the Intellectuals Neighborhood is scum.

[Demonic Angel]

I'm seeing Ircher and WL as scum

Glad to see Gamma is town

Vote: Ircher

going with this first due to our information.

Ranger I am down to lynch Ircher if you want but if you put any effort into following pokemon mafia after you died or remember SS' scum play from Fire and Ice mafia you would see how off this slot is this game.

Gamma read this as "I am down to lynch my scumbuddy but first lets mislynch some townies"

I've liked Limit's play so far for town.

[Demonic Angel]

@white- why do you think you would have been lynched today and why would titus assume that?

Antihero was obv town and is an incredibly stubborn player that definitely would have kept pushing us. We where also at L-2 with 0 people opposed to our lynch.

~Bee

So like... this is why you killed Antihero? Is that what you're saying?

[Demonic Angel]

There's no way Ircher town would be so accepting of our claim.

The fact that we didn't claim until today AFTER a neighbor had flipped, why wouldn't he be cautious of a scum DEmonic Angel-WHO HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY SCUMREADING HARDEST OUT OF ANYONE IN THEFUCKING GAME-gambiting in order mislynch 4 people?

ESPECIALLY if he himself knew himself to be town. And if I check his scumreads and don't see a single one in his neighborhood thats even more icing on the cake.

BASICALLY. SCUM IRCHER HAS THE SAME INFORMATION AS US WHICH IS WHY HE BELIEVES OUR CLAIM. HE KNOWS THERE IS SCUM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE HE IS THAT SCUM. FULL STEAM LYNCH AHEAD.

[Demonic Angel]

Conf Town: Postie
Likely Town: Gamma, Ranger
Leaning Town: Whitelight -- I dont buy the case
Neutral Leaning Town: Limit -- Just cuz
Null: Arabella
Neitral Leaning Scum: Yume
Leaning Scum: Demonic Angel

Intended to out this yesterday: We're an informed townie. At least one member of the Intellectuals Neighborhood is scum.

Wel, there's 4 of us:

Anti, me, Arabella, and Yume.

ok his reads actually line up with scum being in the neighborhood

Ircher if you believe our claim and are scumreading both Yumu and null on Arabella, the fuck are you voting WL for!??!?!

As scum in the neihgborhood Ircher has NO incentive to PoE himself

[Demonic Angel]

Well, by process of elimination, either Ircher or Arabella is scum. Antihero flipped town and I am town as well. Therefore, I think it's prudent to add some pressure.

VOTE: Ircher

this is a town response to our claim

[Demonic Angel]

@White - why do you think anti was obvtown? he was townier than most d1 but I didn't see anything in particular that he couldn't fake as scum, his read details on you is probably the towniest thing he did imo and I don't think you would see that the same way I did.

@Demonic- i don't want to lynch Ircher over White for something White's doing. I wouldn't be shocked if Ircher was scum with White, but White looks way way worse, and I can really easily see White noticing that Ircher is town reading him without much substance behind it and trying to use it to grab a lynch on town for his last scumbuddy once he's gone. Also, this is much dumber, but a WhiteLight/Ircher team is reeeeally easy and I'd be pretty surprised if they both started half-assed defending each other as scum when one's very likely to be lynched soon and there's this many mislynches left.

also also

Arabella has no content; Yume's content doesn't give me a read.

We really cannot afford this kind of play anymore. In order to assess the game, everyone is going to need to have a voice and speak up.

~Suz

^ is REALLY bad. starting to call everyone's play bad and saying that everyone needs to be playing better while they're being scumread is EXACTLY what scum will try when they don't think they can get away with pushing on people they think look town but still need a way to try to discredit people scum reading them.

I do have the unfortunate feeling that its White Light/Ircher and this wasnt much of a game at all <_<b

[Demonic Angel]

{Postie}
{Arabella}
{Gammagooey}
{Yume, Demonic Angel}
{Ircher, WhiteLight}
Mkay, this is where I'm at as of 289. I buy what Anti was selling, and I think he got nightkilled for it.

arabella is high up there

not following your reads re: our claim but w/e

[Demonic Angel]

If we're lynching me, we should lynch WhiteLight first.

uhhhhh....?

if you have a claim just go.

We're basically immortal at this point because scum don't want to confirm our info so the lynch order isn't that important to me other than wanting a scum sweep

[Demonic Angel]

I get this intent to hammer site meta thing is all the rage


But I would kill you on sight for that alone


NOW is your time to claim, the hell are you afraid of? If you're town you won't be killed if you believe my claim, it narrows down the scum far too much

They also have Yume protective role and conftown Otters to deal with


You claiming is the most pro-town way to progress the game.


But I suspect you're just scum that doesn't want to have to spew some bullshit

[Demonic Angel]

The fact it's looking like the scumteam are WhiteLight/Ircher and our only wagons are on both of them, plus comments like 408, is really fucking weirding me out though.

Don't worry Postie, Nadhia and have had the same "too easy" feeling and have backup plans in place

[Demonic Angel]

Unvote:
Vote: White Light

[Demonic Angel]

if WL is town I'm not letting you up at all Ranger

If WL is town its

Ranger+Arabella

[Demonic Angel]

Oh

I see

LOL


then yeah Ircher is the last scum why didnt we just lynch him today?

if youre gonna counterclaim do it fucking right?

[Demonic Angel]

WHAts the fuckis your night one action rANGER?

[Demonic Angel]

I have so many problems with the way you played that.

Ranger what's your freaking CHECK

[Demonic Angel]

Bullshit

[Demonic Angel]

Out it before RC locks the freaking topic

[Demonic Angel]

BUT I COULD BE GAMBITING SCUM

[Demonic Angel]

Nice try to roll a town PM you scummy ass rainbow.


Now

It really is a shame RC did all that work designing just for scum to get rolled like this

Vote: Ircher

Ranger you still should've claimed when hammering

[Demonic Angel]

also there's more than one scum

If you read WL"s role there's no way tthe scum team is that weak

Someone with a cool role
-Someone confirmed scum by my role
-Someone who is voteless, can't win by himself, and gives us a double day


Fuck I wouldn't be surprised if there were two more scum

[Demonic Angel]

RC do you know the definition of snowball or

[Demonic Angel]

Unvote:

Going to let Nahdia read

there's no reason to quicklynch since the game isn't going to be this easy

I also don't trust Ranger

[Demonic Angel]

Ircher and Ranger as essentially CC's right now.

Assuming we have a 3 scum team, Ranger is confirmed town. Due to our informed claim, final scum is confirmed to be in Ircher, Arabella, Yume, and ourselves (under the condition the claim is fake).

So yeah, I see now reason not to lynch Ircher now.

If it's 2 scum left, that means Ranger/Arabella or something to that effect is possible but regardless we have a mislynch available.

[Demonic Angel]

Again though the way Ranger played that bothers me so much. I get that Ircher should be the lynch today but Ranger feels sketch. I mean, she has the balls to claim alignment cop with knowledge of a Godfather right as the day ends without even outting her actions, and then it just so happens that the person we lynch is a Godfather that skips the night phase? What a coincidence >_> just saying..

[Demonic Angel]

This setup is confirmed to have only one faction to which all anti-town players belong.

Quoting this so I don't forget it. No SK or anything like that. a 4 man scumteam would be p crazy for a mini. It's prooobably just Ircher.

VOTE: Ircher

[Demonic Angel]

this game....

we're pretty town given our claim and Ircher push and WL hammer?

Like wtf Limit are you scum in a corner?

[Demonic Angel]

its up to Yume to decide MC order IMO

I obv want Limit and Bella to go first

[Demonic Angel]

oh posties still alive too thats cool

[Demonic Angel]

PS this is why you fucking claim info when you claim your role Ranger

[Demonic Angel]

I'm even fine with claiming before Gamma for old times sake and I forgot he was alive too

Don't think we'll be losin this game

[Demonic Angel]

with postie and Yume in the game, that's not for you to decide

[Demonic Angel]

hold on

nevermind about my scumreads I need to check some things with Nahdia

<_<

[Demonic Angel]

that's fine

apparently we Jailkept Limit last night, so they are probably clear unless 5 scum.

N1 we jailkept Postie to protect them

again we are En no Gyoja , and our flavor is that we are Informed about intelluctuals but not included

Also each night we can take someone for ascetic training in the mountains, making them ascetic for the night, roleblocking them, and protecting them from kills

[Demonic Angel]

basically between Yume and myself town can't lose

not that I've done the math but if we become bulletproof we can clear everyone in the game or force scum to no kill and give us more lynches

[Demonic Angel]

Bellaphant then Gamma should go next

[Demonic Angel]

You realize voting us is like, the one way we can lose this. Yeah?

[Demonic Angel]

Well, you ought to. And we ought to be voting Bella. Or just NL'ing and letting me jailkeep Bella while you protect Gamma and they check me.

[Demonic Angel]

Shoulda jailkept Bella last night. Would have if Ranger had time to out their check. Who was it that ended the day early, ensuring she couldn't do that? Oh yeeeeeaaah... Bella.

And 'the one way we can lose this'?

As town, you can win even if you are dead. The only way you can lose the game if I vote you is if you're scum, and one of us has to be scum.

This is essentially auto, unless you kill the jailkeeper.

[Demonic Angel]

It's fine if you don't trust us. Gamma can check us tonight. While you protect them. And I jailkeep Bella.

Well, you ought to. And we ought to be voting Bella. Or just NL'ing and letting me jailkeep Bella while you protect Gamma and they check me.

Well, I don't. If you're scum, which I think you are, based off neighborhood chat, I am certain that you will sabotage that plan somehow.

And your theory as to why we claimed there is a scum in the neighborhood at the beginning of Day 2, but then voted WhiteLight who gave town an extra day phase before voting Ircher is.................

[Demonic Angel]

Not to mention Gamma and our roles literally go hand in hand in regards to the Informed modifier. So if you think anyone is making shit up, it ought to be him, not us.

[Demonic Angel]

You do realize Bella literally hammered the day early yesterday to prevent Ranger from outting their check? Like, that's a thing that happened. It didn't stop being a thing. It never did.

You know what, fine. You lynch us today, you protect Gamma tonight. Limit dies. Then you either have a guilty on Bella (in which case you need to lynch between Gamma and Bella) or an innocent on Bella (in which case you need to lynch between yourselves, Gamma, and Postie).

[Demonic Angel]

We didn't trust Ranger. We made it really really freaking clear why we didn't trust Ranger at the end of the day where we lynched White Light. What does that have to do with anything?

[Demonic Angel]

Again though the way Ranger played that bothers me so much. I get that Ircher should be the lynch today but Ranger feels sketch. I mean, she has the balls to claim alignment cop with knowledge of a Godfather right as the day ends without even outting her actions, and then it just so happens that the person we lynch is a Godfather that skips the night phase? What a coincidence >_> just saying..

See: Not Trusting Ranger

[Demonic Angel]

Anyway, Limit ought to claim if they have something useful for town.

[Demonic Angel]

..I feel a lot better about having jailkept you now.

[Demonic Angel]

oh posties still alive too thats cool

You don't know what you've just done. <3

oh god this otter is flirting with me...

fate's posting reminds her of his play in mafia Z

Half of the posts from this account are Nahdia.

[Demonic Angel]

We no lynch. We jail Bella. Yume protects Gamma. Gamma checks Yume. Limit kills us.

If scum has a roleblock that's unclaimed, that's a hitch in the plan. Our claim is the only known roleblock right now, so having the ascetic target us negates the possibility of us blocking Limit to save ourselves. If we're the only death, you have one mislynch and you lynch Bella, then Gamma. Unless Gamma get's a guilty, in which case you lynch Yume, then Gamma.

[Demonic Angel]

What's the benefit of No Lynching rather than doing night action stuff after a lynch?

<3 Demonic Angel

Possibility of maintaining a mislynch after having a successful cop check.

If we lynch Bella today and the game continues;

Limit kills us. Gamma checks Yume. Yume guards Gamma. We jail Postie.

Since Limit killing us puts us at 4 alive, scum may opt to not kill. Or they will kill Limit. Depending on Gamma's check, you'll either lynch between Gamma and Yume or Gamma and Postie (Postie is 99% clear but with 4 scum, the possibility of OT'ing to a teammate isn't 100% out of the question).

[Demonic Angel]

Either plan is perfectly viable. The first plan (NL Today) gives us the possibility of autowin scenarios, whereas the second plan (Lynch Bella Today) does require you to lynch in MYLO/LYLO (unless ofc Bella flips scum and the game ends). The second plan can't really be sabotaged by scum however, whereas the first one I haven't really mapped out the possibilities when you consider a possible scum roleblocker.

[Demonic Angel]

14) Players not use factional and individual actions simultaneously unless their role PM explicitly says otherwise.

Just saw this. Makes things a lot simpler, as anyone we most likely jail can't both roleblock us and kill.

[Demonic Angel]

anyone we jail most likely can't both roleblock us and kill*

grammar is really hard

[Demonic Angel]

WAIT.

That means we're clear since us being alive confirms we jailkept Limit. The only way we're not clear is if

1) You think we're a Bulletproof (unlikely seeing as we had a mafia loyal doc flip)
2) You think we can jailkeep and kill in the same night (unlikely that RC would give us that ability when he specified in the opening post that it would not be the default)

[Demonic Angel]

3) You think there are two scum remaining

[Demonic Angel]

Limit is a vig. He claimed to target us, but we're alive because we jailkept him.

According to the rules post, scum can't use the factional kill and their own role abilities in the same night by default.

Ranger was the target of a factional kill.

This means that one of the following HAS to be true:

1) We can use our factional kill and our role ability in the same night, as an exception to the standard rule.
2) There are multiple scum alive, allowing us to jail Limit while our partner killed Ranger.
3) We're a bulletproof, saving us from Limit's kill while we killed Ranger.
4) We're not scum.

[Demonic Angel]

1) is highly unlikely, considering a jailkeep is a powerful action.
2) is highly unlikely, considering that would mean 5 scum in a 13 person setup. Even with a NU scumrole like White Light had, that's crazy.
3) is a bit more likely, but consider the facts. First off; we've seen a mafia doctor flip. This was mafia's protection from the vig; having a BP on top of that is a bit crazy. Second; we claimed to jailkeep Limit before he claimed to vig us, so there's no way it was a reactive claim.
4) The truth of the matter, and there's really nothing that makes it unlikely.

Regardless, if you're worried that any of the first three is what happened, Limit can target us again tonight and now that he's ascetic we can't block him, in accordance with the plans I laid out.

[Demonic Angel]

If the only way you're ever going to trust us is by us being put in the dirt, then so be it. But we're basically as clear as Postie at this point.

P-Edit: It said there was at least one scum.

[Demonic Angel]

Option 1) becomes even more unlikely when you consider that unless we knew Ranger was Macho (and it's unlikely Ircher rolecopped her since she did claim d1), if we had the ability to jail and kill in one night we almost certainly would have jailed Yume and kill Ranger.

[Demonic Angel]

We should make sure everyone agrees to a plan before voting. Rushing lynches is what got us into this mess.

[Demonic Angel]

I mean, not that this is necessarily a bad situation. But it still woulda been nice if Ranger had outted their check like, 2 days ago.

[Demonic Angel]

I'm in favor of the lynch Bella plan, as I'm pretty sure Demonic is conftown given that they claimed their action before we did.

In fairness, there is a scum rolecop and scum knows there's a vig and I think Bella had claimed by that point. we could have predicted you shot us if we're a BP.

Not that I'd

object

to a plan in which you don't kill us, obviously, but I do worry about us not being trusted and putting a wrench in things. If town can agree that we are clear, then we are indeed in autowin as you've laid out.

[Demonic Angel]

I'm in favor of the lynch Bella plan, as I'm pretty sure Demonic is conftown given that they claimed their action before we did. Demonic jailkeeps Postie, which minimizes the danger in the scenario where Postie is scum, Yume protects Gamma, and Gamma checks Yume. We don't shoot. Then either we die, and Yume is either confscum or conftown making Gamma confscum, or Yume dies, making Gamma confscum again.

This is one the part of the plan I don't get, actually. If we lynch Bella and you die, we end up with 4 players left. I'll have jailed Postie, so we'll both be confirmed town. But Gamma will just guilty Yume regardless. It'll then be mylo and we'll need to choose between Gamma and Yume.

[Demonic Angel]

If I jail Gamma or you, Gamma will get a no result, thus knowing I interfered.

[Demonic Angel]

And again, that assumes that I forgo killing in order to jailkeep one of you. Which... why?

[Demonic Angel]

@Demonic: You can lynch one and jail the other in that scenario. Quite honestly I find it unlikely that either is scum.
-smart

Oh. True.

Autowin then. Assuming town is willing to trust me.

[Demonic Angel]

And again, that assumes that I forgo killing in order to jailkeep one of you. Which... why?

Why? Because if I protect Gamma, like you said I should, one of two things would happen

1) I successfully protect him, dying in the process. He gets his results.
2) I protect him, you decide to kill me instead. He is bulletproof for the remainder of the game. He gets his results.

If you are scum, the only way to avoid him getting results is to roleblock one of us.

True. This just comes down to whether you can trust me. If we lynch Bella today and no kill occurs and Gamma gets a no result, the lynch pool becomes
Demonic Angel, Yume, Gamma

but this is the same as it always is under Limit's plan, really. It's just a matter of if you trust me.

[Demonic Angel]

Even if Limit dies, you can't really know if we jailkept Postie regardless. So if Gamma were to get an innocent report on you, it would be the same situation. We lynch one of you, and then you trust that we will jailkeep the other, and not simply make the winning kill.

[Demonic Angel]

Well, actually if Gamma got an innocent report on you, it could only be Gamma or us. So we would lynch Gamma and then...well. If the game were to continue, I suppose we would work under the assumption that either you're a Godfather as well or Postie is ascetic/unblockable/something to that effect. I guess we would have to jail you though since Postie being one of those means there's nothing we could do regardless.

[Demonic Angel]

So you think I'm a bulletproof, then?

[Demonic Angel]

I know. But for us to be scum, we

have

to be bulletproof. Or have you not been reading thus far today?

[Demonic Angel]

If you shoot Postie, and we jail Postie... yeah. Actually, do that. It confirms both our action and that Postie isn't some unblockable/ascetic mafia who overturned to their partner.

[Demonic Angel]

So the plan is...

Lynch Bella

Limit vigges Postie
Demonic Angel jailkeeps Postie
Yume protects Gamma
Gamma cops Yume

Does anyone disagree?

[Demonic Angel]

If just Limit dies, we're confirmed as a jailkeeper and Postie is confirmed as not ascetic. It becomes Gamma vs Yume, whichever we lynch, we can jail the other.

If just Postie dies, we're confirmed as either roleblocked or not jailkeeping Postie. Depending on Gamma's check, a CC between either Yume and ourselves or Gamma and ourselves is forced, with Limit as an ascetic alive to vig if we mislynch.

If Postie and Limit die, we're confirmed as not a jailkeeper. Or the final scum can roleblock and kill in the same night, though if that's Yume then Gamma will have a guilty on them anyway. And if it's Gamma... well I guess that's a hitch in the plan but it's extremely unlikely.

(yes this includes fate possibly being a bulletproof he tries to confirm himself as town regardless of what alignment he is basically every game)

Good thing this has been all Nahdia today then

[Demonic Angel]

If just Postie dies, we're confirmed as either roleblocked or not jailkeeping Postie. Depending on Gamma's check, a CC between either Yume and ourselves or Gamma and ourselves is forced, with Limit as an ascetic alive to vig if we mislynch.

Whoops this is wrong. If Gamma gets a guilty, obviously it's a CC between Gamma and Yume regardless. If Gamma gets an innocent, it's a CC between Gamma and ourselves. If Gamma gets no result, we're confirmed as mafia unless scum is a.... double roleblocker -_-'

[Demonic Angel]

Well wait no Gamma could just pretend to get no result. So it's just another CC between ourselves and Gamma. Unless Yume is a double roleblocker >_>

[Demonic Angel]

Postie isn't even actually confirmed town, Gamma.

[Demonic Angel]

Yume I haven't read but from what Nahdia tells me you're throwing away town's unlosable game plan because

...

because...


you feel like we're scum??

[Demonic Angel]

1.
If we wre scum we'd be a roleblocker, right?
Then why was LIMIT ROLEBLOCKED, who has CONFIRMED we roleblocked him, and not YOU YUME.

I mean scum afterall shot the cop who you obviously were going to protect. Are we a strongarm roleblocker bullshitmadness? Or what?

2.
Why did we OUT THAT THERE IS SCUM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD

WL was already taking a shit ton of heat and I go an dout another scumbuddy? How the fuck do you even make sense of this in you brain?

[Demonic Angel]

WAIT.

That means we're clear since us being alive confirms we jailkept Limit. The only way we're not clear is if

1) You think we're a Bulletproof (unlikely seeing as we had a mafia loyal doc flip)
2) You think we can jailkeep and kill in the same night (unlikely that RC would give us that ability when he specified in the opening post that it would not be the default)

[Demonic Angel]

Yes in HINDSIGHT its clear why your protection didn't work.

Think of the knowledge scum had going into that night:

Was there anyway to KNOW he was a Macho?

Do you really think scum rolecopped the claim miller N1?

THUS you have to think, if you dont think we rolecopped the MIller, that we were a strongarm.

But anyway, ignore that post because as Nahdia reminded me you claimed bodyguard so my point doesn't stand. Optimal play would've been to not shoot you since that makes someone a bulletproof (something you could've left unclaimed for optimal effect in future games but I guess you are a month old player)

[Demonic Angel]

Fine

[Demonic Angel]

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Demonic Angel]

UNVOTE:

No jesus you people haven't been listeining.

[Demonic Angel]

So the plan is...

Lynch Bella

Limit vigges Postie
Demonic Angel jailkeeps Postie
Yume protects Gamma
Gamma cops Yume

Does anyone disagree?

This plan literally gamesolves and anyone trying to complicate things further is scum trying to worm their way out of it.

[Demonic Angel]

I'm getting a vibe of "I'm conftown stop doubting me and get on with the plan already"... I can't believe there's no way to do this without assuming Demonic is town.

Our plan doesn't require you assume we're town anymore. We fixed that.

[Demonic Angel]

lynch bella
jailkeep yume+cop postie
vig demonic since the jailkeep goes through either way
if there's a scum kill, lynch between me and postie (and if postie is 'Will Breaker Otter Bullshit' when there still hasn't really been a role that fits exactly into the Will Breaker theme perfectly I'll borrow one of SpyreX's hats to eat, yume not getting her first pick means that RC probably saw one really well fitting willbreaker role that's still alive and a bunch of good free will ones and then smushed everything else together to vaguely fit)
if not then i have a result so lynch+vig me and whoever the result points to being scum

NO

have you lost your marbels?! If you do this, then both Limit and I can die, which means you don't have any mislynches. This is literally "How Gamma can win the game as scum".

[Demonic Angel]

That plan assumes Yume isn't unblockable, and that Postie is conftown when she isn't. You don't NEED to make those assumptions.

[Demonic Angel]

You're still not talking to Fate, buddy...

[Demonic Angel]

Jesus this has nothing to do with "I wouldn't do this as scum" and everything to do with

"mechanically I cannot be scum unless I have a fucking crazy role"

I'm amazed you don't understand that.

[Demonic Angel]

You know what fine, we'll go with your plan. Even though there's only one situation in ours that isn't airtight and rides on US being scum, which we aren't. Whereas yours has multiple holes depending on possible roles or just, you know, Postie being scum. Which while unlikely is still possible. Total crap how you're 100% willing to discount Postie being scum in any scenario but still keeping us on the table, dude.

i don't see anything mechanically crazy about bulletproof? it's not the most likely thing but I don't see it as impossible

if you're talking about something else then I might have actually missed it since I've been bouncing between this and other stuff

Bulletproof while scum already had a loyaldoc flip and I also predicted who the vig was and where he moved?

[Demonic Angel]

Fine dude. If Postie is scum I'm never letting you live it down.

[Demonic Angel]

Nope, but that's all I need.

[Demonic Angel]

Sure, I guess.

So we're jailkeeping Yume? Is there anyone else we need consensus from?

[Demonic Angel]

inb4 yume ascetic/unblockable/something else fucks our shit up

[Demonic Angel]

I just.... wish we could have gone with our plan.... I wish you could have trusted us... Uncertainty eats at me. We can certainty in our grasp :c

sigh. hopefully bella is scum and this was all for nothing. if not then good freaking luck tomorrow I guess.

VOTE: Bella

[Demonic Angel]

Are you able to make another neighborhood tonight, with us this time? Or are you limited to one?

[Demonic Angel]

or wait i guess your cop action would get in the way. nevermind.

[Demonic Angel]

I don't know how actions are resolved, but I am pretty sure that when someone is vigged, their action fails. Correct me if I am wrong.

Err... I don't think so? Christ, I'll take "things you should have brought up before I hammered" for 1000, Alex.

[Demonic Angel]

jailing would happen before kills in NAR.

[Demonic Angel]

epicmafia was anything but good times...

[Demonic Angel]

With my death, you'll see that my plan was best =(

[Demonic Angel]

there were some legitimately decent people back when i still played (redcoyote came over here too and he's great)

mostly you just had to play in competitive games and then like every 3 out of 5 games would be actually good

the other two i'd usually spam daft punk lyrics while waiting for someone to get kicked for inactivity or refusing to vote

epicmafia taught me how to play mafia all wrong.

And what is stopping you or me from going along with your plan instead? I mean, it's not like anyone would know. I prefer his for personal reasons, but not roleblocking me gives us a bulletproof.

the point of my plan is that Limit vigges you and you staying alive proves that I jailed you. I'm for the purpose of clearing us, and you potentially you. And then Gamma/Yume remain and we can jail whichever one we don't lynch.

But the problem is that there are scenarios where the 1v1 is ourselves and Gamma, with Limit dead, so there's no security if you lynch wrong.

[Demonic Angel]

whoops thought that was Postie for some reason. you = postie

[Demonic Angel]

basically Gamma isn't willing to trust that we can't jailkeep and factional kill in the same night, so we're going with his plan which makes way more dumb assumptions.

[Demonic Angel]

Uhh? Limit is ascetic and the only clear town. And a vig. Preeetttyy sure getting you out of the way has never been a priority for scum here. But sure, do what you want. It really doesn't matter.

[Demonic Angel]

Like, you're clearly not grasping the situation here. First of all; we're both protective roles. Second of all, the only clear town here CAN'T BE PROTECTED. Don't kid yourself; you're a pawn on this chessboard tonight.

[Demonic Angel]

OK dude, but you literally can't change things. The plan that's in motion relies most critically on Limit's action and our action. Your role means nothing here.

By the way, I've just hammered the day WHILE AGREEING THAT LIMIT IS TO KILL US TONIGHT. You do realize that, right?

[Demonic Angel]

We're going to be jailing you, so you feel free to target whoever you like, it makes literally no difference. We're going to die, and if you're not scum, Limit is also going to die. And you'll go from there tomorrow, based on Gamma's check on Postie.

[Demonic Angel]

And if you ARE scum, then I mean, I sure hope for your sake you're unblockable or something cause otherwise you're boned, dude.

feeling better about the wonky yume ascetic possibilities yet nahdia

like seriously, we got this

God I hope so.

[Demonic Angel]

If we're talking that way, then you're the one who is kidding themselves. Your role only protects someone for ONE NIGHT. Mine does for REMAINDER OF THE GAME. From objective point of view, mine is stronger than yours.

Who cares what's "stronger"!? The end of times is upon us, Yume! You seem waaaay behind on understanding the game state, which actually reassures me that you might be town since scum would be trying to keep up to calculate their next move.

[Demonic Angel]

BULLETPROOFS MEAN NOTHING WHEN IT'S LYLO, MISSIE. WE RIDE NOW TO ARMAGEDDON. NO FEELINGS, ONLY COLD CALCULATIONS.