New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

iraonavp · Post Post #1950 (ISO) » Thu May 05, 2016 10:50 pm

In post 1911, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:
In post 1907, iraonavp wrote:
In post 1885, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:iraonavp changing vote on a whim is interesting: am I not scummy any more? Frag is likely scum, but you only vote him now because?
Of course you're still scum-aligned. The quoted post is a great example of this with the "interesting".

Isn't it obvious why I'm now voting Fraggernaut?
No, it isn't. I never find it obvious why people vote one way in their first post of the day (with no reason given), then change in the second with the word "Finally" being their only explanation.

Please do explain, and also please elaborate on your scum hunting method that assigns scum reads due to the use of the word "interesting", because that is very interesting to me.

You're an interesting chap.

I voted Fraggernaut because other people were also voting him.

"interesting" is just an awkward and suspicious way of saying "scum-aligned". There's no other thing that could mean.

iraonavp · Post Post #1951 (ISO) » Thu May 05, 2016 10:51 pm

In post 1911, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:
In post 1907, iraonavp wrote:
In post 1885, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:iraonavp changing vote on a whim is interesting: am I not scummy any more? Frag is likely scum, but you only vote him now because?
Of course you're still scum-aligned. The quoted post is a great example of this with the "interesting".

Isn't it obvious why I'm now voting Fraggernaut?
No, it isn't. I never find it obvious why people vote one way in their first post of the day (with no reason given), then change in the second with the word "Finally" being their only explanation.

Please do explain, and also please elaborate on your scum hunting method that assigns scum reads due to the use of the word "interesting", because that is very interesting to me.

You're an interesting chap.

In post 1886, Firebringer wrote:You have a good case on me?
Most opportunistic jumping onto Snarky wagon, buddying to Pisskop then Aristo, doubtcasting Performer, lots of words but little content. Y'know...just general scummy things.

In post 1912, Drixx wrote:
In post 1910, iraonavp wrote:
In post 1904, Drixx wrote:I mean ... Fragger isn't doing himself any favors, but why are you trying to trap him into a lame "gotcha" Something_Smart? Like ... that's not actual or good scumhunting ... that's just a lame "gotcha" when you pull that "So you ADMIT you're doubtcasting me" crap. Stahp it.
What does "Fragger isn't doing himself any favors" mean, do you think he's scum-aligned or not?

What you've pointed out in the quoted post isn't relevant in my opinion.
Is there really that much confusion over what I'm saying in this game? I've never been constantly asked what I mean.

Fragger is being wagoned, and his posts aren't helping change people's perception of him. He is, therefore, not doing himself any favors.

I understand what you're saying, but I want you to say more than that.

iraonavp · Post Post #1952 (ISO) » Thu May 05, 2016 10:53 pm

In post 1913, Fraggernaut wrote:I'm town, I'm trying to find the scum that's on my wagon. I'm at L-3 right now. I believe there's at least two currently on my wagon.

This is just so fake.

iraonavp · Post Post #1953 (ISO) » Thu May 05, 2016 10:55 pm

In post 1935, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:I literally don't understand why Performer and (I think) iraonavp are puzzled by my scum read on FB at this point. Just to reiterate:

In post 1458, Firebringer wrote:I like joining wagons.
Wagons are fun:
VOTE: SnarkySnowman

In post 1693, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1675, DrippingGoofball wrote:I think Snarky may be town.
How are people coming to this conclusion?
I read his ISO, it wasn't even filled with town AtE, it was just AtE. How can anyone read this on motivation or tone.

I TONE READ PEOPLE AND CAN TELL YOU I DONT SENSE A TOWN TONE!
This isn't scum? Seriously?

I think the first quote you posted is scum-aligned, but the second one looks somewhat town-aligned.

iraonavp · Post Post #1954 (ISO) » Thu May 05, 2016 10:59 pm

In post 1942, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1932, Yume wrote:Because I am town?
BLOWTORCH THIS PLAYER SLOT

Yume's post is pretty bad, I agree. Not as bad as Fraggernaut's post though.

iraonavp · Post Post #1955 (ISO) » Thu May 05, 2016 11:00 pm

In post 1945, Fraggernaut wrote:@KAAG

Here's the issue I have with your argument.

Something_Smart, Ozgin, Slandaar = town
iraonavp, killthestory, Performer = prob!town
Guy/Replace, Yume, Kuroi, ilikebugs, DGB = unclear
Aristo, Frag = scummy
Drixx, FB = scum
Those are your most updated reads from your 1935

In the world where you think I'm mafia, alongside Drixx & Fire means you believe I as mafia would hard defend my partner Drixx throughout day one, day two & day three openly. It also means you believe I would hard defend Fire late day two, call him a PR which I read him as & then continue to express my belief that Fire is a PR & defend them into day three. Which is implausible & extremely dumb if I was actually mafia, which I'm not.

What Fraggernaut is telling us here is that we should not lynch either of Drixx or Firebringer after he flips scum-aligned.

Axl_Rose · Post Post #1956 (ISO) » Thu May 05, 2016 11:19 pm

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With 16 Alive, it's 9 to Lynch!

Mod Notes:

"Oh My God"
[Prodding Ilikebugs, Yume]
[Replacing Guyfawkes]

(0)
KuroiXHF
—
(0)
Ozgin
—

(2)

Aristophanes
— Killthestory, Slandaar
(0)
Killthestory
—
(0)
Performer
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(0)
Drixx
—
(0)
Ilikebugs
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(0)
Firebringer
—
(0)
GuyFawkes
—
(0)
Something_Smart
—
(0)
Slandaar
—

(1)

Yume
— DrippingGoofball
(0)
iraonavp
— Fraggernaut
(0)
DrippingGoofball
— KuroiXHF
(0)
KickAssAndGiggle
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(7)

Fraggernaut
— Something_Smart, Firebringer, Ozgin, Performer, iraonavp, Aristophanes, KickAssAndGiggle

(5)
[Not Voting]
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Ilikebugs, Drixx, iraonavp, GuyFawkes, Yume,

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Slandaar · Post Post #1957 (ISO) » Thu May 05, 2016 11:51 pm

I think Fragger is town.

In post 1938, KuroiXHF wrote:Guy, from the time he was active, was simply a detriment to town and was not pro-town. No one disputes this.

I don't see him as a detriment but he wasn't pro-town either. Same with Snarky, he wasn't a detriment, he just wasn't particularly helpful but he did post reads and what he thought.

The point I have been making is there is no mention of anything relating to alignment. Coasting, being useless, not being pro-town you can word it how you like it doesn't change anything.

My intuition tells me someone who says:

In post 1906, KuroiXHF wrote:I don't understand why people necessarily see discrediting in a negative light. Why they
always
do that.

Should know this though.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1958 (ISO) » Fri May 06, 2016 1:44 am

Make whatever promises I made to read up on people "over the weekend" things, as work is being a bitch.
Sorry all!

ISO · Post Post #1959 (ISO) » Fri May 06, 2016 3:32 am

@DGB and Slandaar: why do you think Fragger is town?
I really hate how he says I have no case just because I haven't done a quote wall. My case is that his posts are forced and that he's trying to discredit everyone while clearly not showing town motivation (and his responses to my push have only solidified this read).

Performer · Post Post #1960 (ISO) » Fri May 06, 2016 3:35 am

In post 1928, Firebringer wrote:If no one gets why Fragger should know that their is no possibility of Jester in this game.
He has hosted NOrmal games here.

A host is required to know and examine the banned roles from normal setups.
The fact he mentioned it as a actual possiblity is laughable.

In post 1929, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1913, Fraggernaut wrote:I'm town, I'm trying to find the scum that's on my wagon. I'm at L-3 right now. I believe there's at least two currently on my wagon.
This is just vague. Point out specific ones.

Whoa. Where did the real Fire go lol.
Sounds so different...he sounds extremely sensible in these posts, as this is what I 've been thinking too.

Performer · Post Post #1961 (ISO) » Fri May 06, 2016 3:48 am

In post 1932, Yume wrote:Because I am town?

WOW. Heavy lurked on d3, I asked about opening up your reads to us, you return with this meager post, don't provide thoughts, and continue lurking.
Immediately adding this slot to my scumreads.

In post 1934, Fraggernaut wrote:
@Mod

That VC is way wrong.

That VC was wrong for sure, at least regarding me. Fortunately they fixed it on this page. I'm not sure where else they got it wrong though.

In post 1942, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1932, Yume wrote:Because I am town?
BLOWTORCH THIS PLAYER SLOT

Yes.

In post 1943, Fraggernaut wrote:
In post 1942, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1932, Yume wrote:Because I am town?
BLOWTORCH THIS PLAYER SLOT
Due to a "?" ?

....

In post 1944, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 1942, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1932, Yume wrote:Because I am town?
BLOWTORCH THIS PLAYER SLOT
I gave everyone fair warning...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DrippingGoofball

I don't like this vote . Drip was voting Yume and after that terrible follow-up from Yume, Drip demanded we wagon that slot, then you voted Drip. I don't like that vote of yours , Kuroi...why did you vote Drip?

Performer · Post Post #1962 (ISO) » Fri May 06, 2016 3:49 am

@Aris what's your read on me? Has it changed over the days? Or stayed the same?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #1963 (ISO) » Fri May 06, 2016 3:57 am

In post 1959, Something_Smart wrote:@DGB and Slandaar: why do you think Fragger is town?
I really hate how he says I have no case just because I haven't done a quote wall. My case is that his posts are forced and that he's trying to discredit everyone while clearly not showing town motivation (and his responses to my push have only solidified this read).

You have no case outside weak accusations like my posts are "forced" when they're actually not. I know
I'm town & the only people I've discredited are Irao & yourself cause I've been reading you scummy as hell. You've tunneled me for two days now but haven't actually provided any real substantial reasons. Are you really trying to use tone to bury me?

My fellow town need to look at how easily this wagon was jumped on .

KuroiXHF · Post Post #1964 (ISO) » Fri May 06, 2016 5:28 am

In post 1957, Slandaar wrote:I think Fragger is town.
In post 1938, KuroiXHF wrote:Guy, from the time he was active, was simply a detriment to town and was not pro-town. No one disputes this.
I don't see him as a detriment but he wasn't pro-town either. Same with Snarky, he wasn't a detriment, he just wasn't particularly helpful but he did post reads and what he thought.

The point I have been making is there is no mention of anything relating to alignment. Coasting, being useless, not being pro-town you can word it how you like it doesn't change anything.

Anything that is not pro-town is inherently pro-scum. if you are coasting through, you are making it easier to go unnoticed in the day so you can kill in the night. This might just be scum-theory that we disagree on, but I have legitimate reason to scum-read people like Snarky, and Guy.

In post 1961, Performer wrote: I don't like this vote . Drip was voting Yume and after that terrible follow-up from Yume, Drip demanded we wagon that slot, then you voted Drip. I don't like that vote of yours , Kuroi...why did you vote Drip?

I made it very clear that I was voting whomever kept mentioning slots, not as it refers to alignment. Plus, I've scum read Drips for a long time.

Drixx · Post Post #1965 (ISO) » Fri May 06, 2016 10:13 am

Yume is obvscum imo.

VOTE: Yume

@Something_Smart - Your avatar looks a lot like the map that the cartography skill generates in the Eschalon games ... is that by chance what it is?

Fraggernaut · Post Post #1966 (ISO) » Fri May 06, 2016 10:33 am

I'm trying to see what constitutes the Jam/Yume wagon being scummy.

ISO · Post Post #1967 (ISO) » Fri May 06, 2016 2:45 pm

@Drixx: Actually, no, I felt like changing my avatar for Marathon Weekend and sat staring at Paint for a while wondering what to make, and I drew that. It's cool to hear that it looks like it's actually from something though

On a more relevant note, why is Yume obvscum? There's too little content from her to get a read and jam felt very newbtown to me.

Firebringer · Post Post #1968 (ISO) » Fri May 06, 2016 3:49 pm

Guys guys, gys.
Lets lynch Farg.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1969 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 5:34 am

In post 1968, Firebringer wrote:Guys guys, gys.
Lets lynch Farg.

no

KickAssAndGiggle · Post Post #1970 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 7:46 am

In post 1965, Drixx wrote:Yume is obvscum imo.

VOTE: Yume

Which of Yume's 6 posts lead you to this conclusion? Or is it simply an activity tell like DGB's?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1971 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 9:32 am

In post 1970, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:
In post 1965, Drixx wrote:Yume is obvscum imo.

VOTE: Yume
Which of Yume's 6 posts lead you to this conclusion? Or is it simply an activity tell like DGB's?

Low activity + lack of content

Drixx · Post Post #1972 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 10:31 am

In post 1970, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:
In post 1965, Drixx wrote:Yume is obvscum imo.

VOTE: Yume
Which of Yume's 6 posts lead you to this conclusion? Or is it simply an activity tell like DGB's?

DGB has the reputation she does for a reason. Nobody is interested in my scum reads, so if I'm going to sheep, it will be on DGB. Nothing more or less.

Fraggernaut · Post Post #1973 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 10:48 am

I'm wondering if we'll see replacements soon or prods. Killthestory has went quiet day three.

Killthestory · Post Post #1974 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 12:03 pm

In post 1973, Fraggernaut wrote:I'm wondering if we'll see replacements soon or prods. Killthestory has went quiet day three.

lol