Mini 1783: GTA 2 Mafia (GaME OVAH)

[Polar Vortex]

Guys, guys, guys, we have an announcment. We are an ascetic. Had to claim so people wouldn't lose time using powers on us in the night

[Polar Vortex]

Guys, guys, guys, we have an announcment. We are an ascetic. Had to claim so people wouldn't lose time using powers on us in the night

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

Guys, guys, guys, we have an announcment. We are an ascetic. Had to claim so people wouldn't lose time using powers on us in the night

Did you tell us this because you thought that not hiding it would make you seem more like town?

Did you read the post? Because the answer is very explicitly in there.

-Snow

[Polar Vortex]

He panicked and unvoted the wagon. I think that's scummy.
~Dwlee

Why did you think this was scummy and what made you change your mind on Blackstar?

UNVOTE: blackstar
VOTE: Dragonknight

ok I think you're town. But for future reference getting out of RVS is good because then discussion is generated. Like now I have a town read on you and a scum read on ds / fire.

Is it because hydra dissonance? Jeez, Dwlee, I knew you sucked at scum hunting but this is ridiculous.

-

THE

Diamond Sentinel

Do you think the Banterlords are town?

[Polar Vortex]

Guys, guys, guys, we have an announcment. We are an ascetic. Had to claim so people wouldn't lose time using powers on us in the night

Did you tell us this because you thought that not hiding it would make you seem more like town?

Did you read the post? Because the answer is very explicitly in there.

-Snow

This is Mafia. Saying things doesn't necessarily make it true.

Makes sense.

-Snow (previous post is mine too)

[Polar Vortex]

Guys, guys, guys, we have an announcment. We are an ascetic. Had to claim so people wouldn't lose time using powers on us in the night

Did you tell us this because you thought that not hiding it would make you seem more like town?

Did you read the post? Because the answer is very explicitly in there.

-Snow

This is Mafia. Saying things doesn't necessarily make it true.

Makes sense.

-Snow (previous post is mine too)

...really?

-Snow

[Polar Vortex]

VOTE: Dragonknight
They're going for hydra dissonance way too early and it looks fake as shit. I don't believe for a moment those last posts weren't completly discussed before making them.

^Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

VOTE: Dragon Knight

No thanks. Policy Lynch.

It is extremely early to be calling for a policy lynch. Why have you done so? What is so bad that you want to PL on page 3 12 days from deadline?

While I don't agree there's enough reason for a policy lynch(and I'm not voting Dragonknight for a policy lynch), isn't it extremly obvious what BBT found worthy of it?

[Polar Vortex]

VOTE: Dragon Knight

No thanks. Policy Lynch.

It is extremely early to be calling for a policy lynch. Why have you done so? What is so bad that you want to PL on page 3 12 days from deadline?

While I don't agree there's enough reason for a policy lynch(and I'm not voting Dragonknight for a policy lynch), isn't it extremly obvious what BBT found worthy of it?

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

VOTE: Dragonknight
They're going for hydra dissonance way too early and it looks fake as shit. I don't believe for a moment those last posts weren't completly discussed before making them.

^Bearbert D

consdering hydra dissonance is considered a scumtell.. why would they purposely try to fake it? (really badly)

To be extremly hard to read.

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

You guys threw out a terrible vote on BlackStar, simply because he doesn't like RVS. Then you guys voted us because you don't agree with what we say.

That's the single most terrible play I have ever seen.

Prove this. Where did people vote Blackstar for not liking RVS(actually the reverse is true, he commented onhow people wanted to get out of RVS too fast, doesn't look like something somebody who doesn't like RVS would say). And everybody voted you two not because they don't agree with you but because you are being hard to read intentionally(I did that) and because you straight up lied(like you did with this post)

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

There are 6 people voting him. At least 2 of them have to be scum

Have to? I'm pretty sure no statistics will tell you this. I'd expect one scum on the wagon personally.

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

When you do scummy shit, you get lynched.

Dropping truth bombs up in here.

So we should lynch you?
VOTE: BBT
VOTE: banta

^good place to look for a DK partner if they flip scum
Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

When you do scummy shit, you get lynched.

Dropping truth bombs up in here.

So we should lynch you?
VOTE: BBT
VOTE: banta

^good place to look for a DK partner if they flip scum
Bearbert D

Pls explain

You changed the vote from the wagon for no apparent reason.

[Polar Vortex]

When you do scummy shit, you get lynched.

Dropping truth bombs up in here.

So we should lynch you?
VOTE: BBT
VOTE: banta

^good place to look for a DK partner if they flip scum
Bearbert D

Pls explain

You changed the vote from the wagon for no apparent reason.

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

I also don't like how you've been trying to rush us out of RVS

. Especially on a flimsy reason like this.

Nah. It's not stalling progression.

Because I unvoted, we moved out of RVS and people started asking serious questions.

And it's not like I did it with the purpose of "stalling progression". Town and scum both do that, accidentally and on purpose, so it's weird how you were immediately like "yeah, we definitely need to lynch him". You have literally no reason to feel so strongly about lynching me. It feels forced

Hey Blackstar - if you could explain why you didn't like someone rushing us out of RVS while then explaining how your unvote did just that it would be great!

I didn't want us to rush out of RVS. But it happened anyway because you guys find everything scummy. It's pretty straight forward

Why do you think DK thought you hated RVS?



Also, for the others, how likely is it that Blackstar mentioned pregame in the scum forum he hates RVS and that's where DK go that idea. Because that's just wrong either way. The problem with this theory is that DK has made extremly many mistakes so far(outright lies actually). Also, DK, start answering questions. You've been asked multiple questions and ignored all of them. And after that you think we're horrible players for suspecting you. You're not going to AtE yourself out of this hole, you'll have to use good old logic. Even if you flip town, I won't shed a tear as nothing you've done makes me consider that you could be anything othrr than useless to town

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

Read every game of mine. I loathe RVS. I say so every game.

-DS

But this isn't even close to what I asked?
Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

Ah, I misread as why I hated RVS, not why I thought he did. My apologies.

Yup. Apologies for mis-reading. Doesn't bother to actually answer the asked question.

Scum. Hang it. Party.

ITS OBVIOUS THE QUESTION WASNT ADDRESSED TO ME, DUMBASS.

But I had previously asked that question to you?

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

I think the most damning part of Blackstar's unvote was the fact that Dom was self-voting on his own wagon. Clearly the person whose game was at risk didn't have any fear of that wagon going to lynch so it doesn't stand to reason Blackstar should have more concerns than Dom.

Right, the unvoting didn't make much sense. I think it's more likely to come from town though, scum had no motivation to unvote or get scared, unless they're partners, and even then it'd be a weird reaction.

Read every game of mine. I loathe RVS. I say so every game.

-DS

We've only just started the game and you're already on full defense mode and excusing your play with meta. We don't care about your meta. Your whole play's been anti town. So if you are town, stop shitting on people and start actually trying to figure things out.

I am pretty sure we are still at L-1, so before someone does something stupid.
I guess we should claim.

We are a cop.

So yeah, you guys put a cop at L-1, congrats.

GOOD PLAYS!

-Fire

You put yourself at L-1.

-Snow

[Polar Vortex]

DK. Give us reads. Town, scum, whatever, reads.

[Polar Vortex]

Do go on how you think we're "cop-like", sorta like how in Red Neighborhood, you thought he was "cop-like"...

i said you weren't cop-like here. I don't understand any of your posts cause they make 0 sense in response to other people's posts.
~Dwlee

Not*

My point is, stop relying on your own crappy intuition because it will lose town this game as well.

I guess this is a town read.

-Snow

[Polar Vortex]

Do go on how you think we're "cop-like", sorta like how in Red Neighborhood, you thought he was "cop-like"...

i said you weren't cop-like here. I don't understand any of your posts cause they make 0 sense in response to other people's posts.
~Dwlee

Not*

My point is, stop relying on your own crappy intuition because it will lose town this game as well.

I guess this is a town read.

-Snow

On Dwlee? No. This is a "I will only address the possibility that you are town because it's useless to address anything else"

And why is it useless to address the possibility of Banta being scum?

-Snow

[Polar Vortex]

Jeanne, any thoughts on the game?

-Snow.

[Polar Vortex]

FA_Q, what do you think of Dragon Knight? Do you disagree that there were good non-policy reasons to lynch them?

-Snow

[Polar Vortex]

All hail
VOTE: DK

Sure you haven't

[Polar Vortex]

All hail
VOTE: DK

Sure you haven't

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

This game goes sooooo slow-.-. Has I Dannyboy posted? I don't remember absolutely anything...

VOTE: Jeanne

[Polar Vortex]

This game goes sooooo slow-.-. Has I Dannyboy posted? I don't remember absolutely anything...

VOTE: Jeanne

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Magna, how much of your scum read on Blackstar could be easily explained by him being a bad town player? That would be my read at this point.

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

@masquerade I don't have a read on him. That's why I voted him. To see if I could get a better read. That's not gonna happen now though.

UNVOTE:

What reaction would you have liked?

[Polar Vortex]

@masquerade I don't have a read on him. That's why I voted him. To see if I could get a better read. That's not gonna happen now though.

UNVOTE:

What reaction would you have liked?

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

@masquerade I don't have a read on him. That's why I voted him. To see if I could get a better read. That's not gonna happen now though.

UNVOTE:

What reaction would you have liked?

Any reaction

Since I find it highly unlikely that they completely missed you voting for them, it was a conscious decision on their part to not respond to it. Therefore, their reaction to your vote was to not react to it.

Does that affect your read on them at all? If so, how?

-Xk

There's nothing you can react to a completly random vote? Like the only thing I thought was that the vote was stupid
Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

I am a PR that is close to DK's claim. Oh, and for emphasis, I said

close to it

not

same as it

Yep. That's scum alright. "It's enough to throw shade but enough that when they flip town I don't want to be held responsible"

Fry it.

Why would she even be responsible for your lynch? She's completely absent from the game.

I also don't understand this reaction to her pseudo-claim when I think it adds more credibility to your own.

So, seeing as you both have similar roles and you're fine with lynching her, why should we not lynch you instead? Because if it wasn't for your claim you'd still be at L-2/L-1 or already dead.


-Snow

[Polar Vortex]

@magns I'm just going to completely disregard you now.

To anyone Town-reading Blackstar - can you elucidate why you are giving him a Town read?

Phantom Cobalt said it. Blackstar's posts seem genuine. I just don't see scum motivation in them or any hidden agenda. He reads like an individual with his own thoughts and his own way of playing. The unvote, the theory that there were 2 scum in DK's wagon and even his vote on us; those are things that tell me he's trying to figure things out and playing to a town wincon. I also like his tone. He's been under some pressure but he always keeps his calm, like he has nothing to be afraid of and nothing to hide.

Because I'm just not seeing it.

I mean he previously decried the Dragon Sentinel wagon has having 2 scum on it. He does nothing with that stance. He doesn't make any pro-active move to figure out who he thinks are the most likely scum on the wagon and pressure them.

Then he votes Polar Vortex. One of the votes on the DS wagon. His claimed reason - he didn't have a read on the slot. Shouldn't he already have suspicions about Polar if he truly believed the DS wagon was scum driven?

I just can't shake the feeling that Blackstar is scum who saw a flash wagon on Town and took the stance that it was scum driven for Town-cred from DS. He's already established he's too tentative and careful to make that play when a wagon flew on a partner so I'm dismissing DS + Blackstar Mafia at this point.

BTW - this theory means that Blackstar ever flips scum and I think DS is pretty clear.

I think you're reading too much into his posts when they're pretty simple. For example, you point out how he did nothing with the theory that there were two scum in DK's wagon (though I think voting us counts as something, since it shows he pursued the theory's direction), when the real worrisome thing would be if he had done something scummy with it, like pushing for a lynch on someone just because they voted DK. I don't think his lack of pro-action on a faulty assumption is something that should be held against him.

-Snow

[Polar Vortex]

Very well, since all you do is throw shade on me yourself, I'll stop you by claiming fully. I am a town watcher.

Why did you claim now and when are you planning on actually playing?

[Polar Vortex]

I have no problem lynching a watcher in a role madness game. That role could easily be scum. And the reveal absolutely sucked, even more than DK's did.
Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Unvote.

-Snow

[Polar Vortex]

Jeanne might be a scum watcher
VOTE: Jeanne

Why?

VOTE: Jeanne11

idk if we already have the vote on or not but she is sucm

~KT

Why?

-Snow

[Polar Vortex]

Under no pressure for a claim.
Decides to put pressure on DK by claiming a "Similar" role but leaves enough room for when (this is where I'm assuming DK is town) dk flips cop that jeanne can say "oh well I said close to it not the same". There was 0 reason to softclaim at all as town right there. I believe the reason they claimed is as scourge pointed out in 307 we talked about lynching her for lurking and then she fully claims 3 posts later as watcher. (That's not even that similar to a cop)

Why is being under no pressure a scum sign? Where's the motivation in that, what does she win with this claim as scum? Nothing. She's cornering herself with this claim for no reason. I don't see a clear town motivation for the claim either, but it's much easier to believe and makes more sense with the rest of her play so far.

Notice how she didn't counter claim or even use her own role as a reason to push for DK's lynch. If she's not doing it with a DK lynch in mind why would she even need to leave room to defend herself upon a DK town flip. It just doesn't make any sense, we don't even know if DK is telling the truth. Besides, if she is telling the truth her ability could be as useful or even more so than DK's.

I can see her claiming as a defense, to stop further discussion of her lynch, which isn't really alignment telling but makes sense with her previous statement that she'd oppose her lynch vehemently. And as I said, it makes no sense for scum to commit themselves to a claim this early in a role madness game without being in real danger.

[Polar Vortex]

polar vortex i don't get why you need much more of an explanation as to why jeanne is scummy? she's done no hunting, her claim was bad, she's been lurking, she only popped up after we started taking an interest in lynching her, blah blah blah.
your treatment of this wagon is really strange.

I'm not asking why people think she's scummy. I'm asking specifically asking Dom why he thinks she might be watcher and why banta are sure she is scum. Because I just don't see any evidence to back up those accusations and votes.

She's done no hunting, neither have more than half of the players in this game, players who didn't claim a PR. she's been lurking, so have more than half the players in this game, players who didn't claim a PR... Get it?

We've collectively decided to give a pass to a scummier player, one who's scummy because of things he has actually done and said, who claimed after being put at L-1, which gave him an actual motive to claim. A player who claimed cop with an implicit twist, which gives him room to wiggle tomorrow. But, ok, everyone is willing to take this risk, and so are we. Now why aren't you willing to take the same risk (I'd even say, a smaller risk) with a player whose biggest faults are basically not playing and only showing up to defend herself and claim unprompted?

How am I the only one who sees the issue here?

-Snow (previous one was mine too)

[Polar Vortex]

Because as a member of the town, claiming for no reason on day 1 doesn't help anyone. It makes you an easy target for scum. If Jeanne really has a pr, the why would she put herself at risk so early on before she could even get a result? And it's suspicious that Jeanne only showed up after people started talking about lynching them.

The worst about claiming on day one is that the scum get free information. You're right that claiming makes her a target, she'd be a waste of a NK though, so the only option scum would have to get rid of her would be through lynching her.

I don't think she wanted to put herself at risk, not at lynch risk. I think if there's a reason for her to have claimed was to achieve the opposite; claim early, stop the discussion on her slot and prevent her wagon from taking off. It obviously didn't work out like that.

-Snow

[Polar Vortex]

[Polar Vortex]

[Polar Vortex]

Ok Polar so you don't want a Jeanne lynch so what do YOU suggest we do today? I want your thought on who we should lynch.


~KTthecreeper

I'm still figuring. This game has stalled, it's always the same people posting. Right now I'm mostly waiting for the rest of the players to show up and post anything so I can get a read on them. Like,

Vote: Dominator.

[Polar Vortex]

Us as Jeanne partner is the most idiotic thing I've heard in this game. She looks like a liability for any scum team. If we were scum with her, why wouldn't we just buss her ass right now?

Also for people who want to investigate us, we're ascetic.

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

I really think we should look at Dom hard. He's done absolutely nothing towny. Neither has Jeanne, but at least she's replaced and maybe the replacement will be better. Also, DK could be helpful with the role

[Polar Vortex]

I really think we should look at Dom hard. He's done absolutely nothing towny. Neither has Jeanne, but at least she's replaced and maybe the replacement will be better. Also, DK could be helpful with the role

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Blackstar, is there anybody you don't currently have a null read on?
Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

Let's go with we lynch Ranger, and then on the off-chance she flips town, then we take her read lists and use them.

-Bringer of the Fire

Genius.


We were not lynching Jeanne and we're most definitely not lynching Ranger.

-Snow.

[Polar Vortex]

I'm 100% with my other head here. Ranger seems like a competent player. This town lacks those. We're certainly not going to vote one on D1.

Ranger, talk to me about A Real Scrouge. I'm getting very bad feelings on her. For the same reasons as you appear to do, the fact that she looks distanced from the game. Also, after our claim she threw dirt at us for the claim. Somebody said that was suspicious, she never went deeper with that accusation and then had us as town in a later post. The progression just seems too convenient. All her stances are very convenient and middle of the road. I'd still prefer Dom(as a policy if you want, but more for the fact that I don't want to lynch competent players like Scrouge before useless ones)
Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

I don't know anymore. I'm not used to Ranger giving that huge elaborations on reads unprompted.. I also have an issue with her comparing magna to another player, I want to see magna's response. Other than that, her readslists seem good enough to me, I don't agree with everything but I'm also not under the impression my reads are 100% correct at this point.
I want BBT to come in and read and share thoughts, most of all I want him to throw some questions my way. My reads on clumsy and Faq have changed to null in the last couple of pages and currently I don't know where I stand on anyone else. I'll do some rereads later.

I I kind of thought the same thing. She is trying too hard to be town.

You can't try to be town. You either are or you don't. If you mean trying to look town, yeah, that's what town is supposed to do. And you aren't doing that

[Polar Vortex]

I don't know anymore. I'm not used to Ranger giving that huge elaborations on reads unprompted.. I also have an issue with her comparing magna to another player, I want to see magna's response. Other than that, her readslists seem good enough to me, I don't agree with everything but I'm also not under the impression my reads are 100% correct at this point.
I want BBT to come in and read and share thoughts, most of all I want him to throw some questions my way. My reads on clumsy and Faq have changed to null in the last couple of pages and currently I don't know where I stand on anyone else. I'll do some rereads later.

I I kind of thought the same thing. She is trying too hard to be town.

You can't try to be town. You either are or you don't. If you mean trying to look town, yeah, that's what town is supposed to do. And you aren't doing that

Bear

[Polar Vortex]

I'm 100% with my other head here. Ranger seems like a competent player. This town lacks those. We're certainly not going to vote one on D1.

Ranger, talk to me about A Real Scrouge. I'm getting very bad feelings on her. For the same reasons as you appear to do, the fact that she looks distanced from the game. Also, after our claim she threw dirt at us for the claim. Somebody said that was suspicious, she never went deeper with that accusation and then had us as town in a later post. The progression just seems too convenient. All her stances are very convenient and middle of the road. I'd still prefer Dom(as a policy if you want, but more for the fact that I don't want to lynch competent players like Scrouge before useless ones)
Bearbert D

This is AWFUL logic. It doesn't matter how good a player is, if they are scum, NEVER keep them around. Ranger is scum. End of story.

Obviously if you proved she's scum, I'd vote for her. But you haven't even gave us a reason for that read. So no, I'm not going to trust you on this one. Especially not with how horrible your play has been
Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

I'm 100% with my other head here. Ranger seems like a competent player. This town lacks those. We're certainly not going to vote one on D1.

Ranger, talk to me about A Real Scrouge. I'm getting very bad feelings on her. For the same reasons as you appear to do, the fact that she looks distanced from the game. Also, after our claim she threw dirt at us for the claim. Somebody said that was suspicious, she never went deeper with that accusation and then had us as town in a later post. The progression just seems too convenient. All her stances are very convenient and middle of the road. I'd still prefer Dom(as a policy if you want, but more for the fact that I don't want to lynch competent players like Scrouge before useless ones)
Bearbert D

This is AWFUL logic. It doesn't matter how good a player is, if they are scum, NEVER keep them around. Ranger is scum. End of story.

Sorry. I just don't see it. You are going to have to give me something better than a bunch of meta to convince me that the jeanne/Ranger slot is scum.

BOTH OF THEM HAVE DONE FUCK-ALL, WHICH IS A SCUM TELL FOR BOTH. I CAN LITERALLY SAY NOTHING ELSE THAN THEY ARE FUCKING SCUM. IF YOU DONT WANT ME TO WASTE AN INVESTIGATION ON THEM, THEN LYNCH THEM. OTHERWISE I WILL BE FORCED TO WASTE AN INVESTIGATION ON SOMEONE WHO IS 100% CONFIRMED SCUM.

Ranger has replaced in for less that 48 hours. Since she's replaced in, she's done a lot more than you have in the whole game.

[Polar Vortex]

I'm 100% with my other head here. Ranger seems like a competent player. This town lacks those. We're certainly not going to vote one on D1.

Ranger, talk to me about A Real Scrouge. I'm getting very bad feelings on her. For the same reasons as you appear to do, the fact that she looks distanced from the game. Also, after our claim she threw dirt at us for the claim. Somebody said that was suspicious, she never went deeper with that accusation and then had us as town in a later post. The progression just seems too convenient. All her stances are very convenient and middle of the road. I'd still prefer Dom(as a policy if you want, but more for the fact that I don't want to lynch competent players like Scrouge before useless ones)
Bearbert D

This is AWFUL logic. It doesn't matter how good a player is, if they are scum, NEVER keep them around. Ranger is scum. End of story.

Sorry. I just don't see it. You are going to have to give me something better than a bunch of meta to convince me that the jeanne/Ranger slot is scum.

BOTH OF THEM HAVE DONE FUCK-ALL, WHICH IS A SCUM TELL FOR BOTH. I CAN LITERALLY SAY NOTHING ELSE THAN THEY ARE FUCKING SCUM. IF YOU DONT WANT ME TO WASTE AN INVESTIGATION ON THEM, THEN LYNCH THEM. OTHERWISE I WILL BE FORCED TO WASTE AN INVESTIGATION ON SOMEONE WHO IS 100% CONFIRMED SCUM.

Ranger has replaced in for less that 48 hours. Since she's replaced in, she's done a lot more than you have in the whole game.

Bear

[Polar Vortex]

And no, you don't fucking get a choice in who you investigate. I propose we also take a vote on that one.

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Magna, Jeanne/Ranger claimed a weak investigation role. And this is role madness so other roles would probably be more powerful. Before the replacement she was useless so her getting NK-ed would have helped town.

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

So you have suspicions they are not Town and you want to relieve them of justifying their Night choices?

Yeah? I'd rather get a good investigation than an idiotic one that he'd have to explain. Also, I don't really suspect them that much lately, I'm just pissed at them
Bear


Now I saw your last point. Well, if I saw Jeanne NK-ed the first might I'd be extremly happy. Wouldn't you?

[Polar Vortex]

You're right that claiming makes her a target, she'd be a waste of a NK though, so the only option scum would have to get rid of her would be through lynching her

Why would an information role, no matter how weak the player who has the role, be a waste of a Nightkill for scum? I’d love for you to elaborate on that premise if you could.

It's not a complete waste, but killing a useless and suspected town slot whose only threat comes with her role and its possible results, which may vary in usefulness to town, is a waste when they could be killing an actual threat. But, why waste a kill on her when they can just lynch her...

Especially given how strongly Dragon is pushing given what he stands to lose Town Cred wise if Ranger flips Town and how Ranger is going out of his way to appease the other investigation role.

You can't lose something you don't have.

-Snow

[Polar Vortex]

And no, you don't fucking get a choice in who you investigate. I propose we also take a vote on that one.

Bearbert

I will garruntee that if you try to tell us who to investigate, we will do the exact opposite of what you say.

Antitown to the core like expected. And please stop with the meta nonsense. Nobody wants to hear that.

Incidentally, I'm becoming more and more interested in lynching BBT. He's not shown us anything. Why is he town in your reads Ranger? I don't think you've given a reason for that and I don't see any possible one. So please, do elaborate on this.

Range is my new mafia best friend. I love her posts. Really happy she turned that slot into something useful. Her posts make sense, her suspects are solid and her tone is really genuine. Also, I was baffled by the "investigate me post" by her, but thinking more about it I quite like it(before you ask DK, I know she wasn't serious). The main point would be that scum her really wouldn't want to draw attention on the possibility of DK investigating her. Usually scum would have shut up about this. So she'd be my strongest town read so far.<---- I know the whole reasoning about Ranger isn't very clear so feel free to ask about it

Ranger, do you like playing scum and if yes, would you consider yourself prone to taking risks?

Bear

[Polar Vortex]

2. MGSV you did post a lot, Machina you posted none.

Uh, I posted the same in both games. Including postgame, I had 48 posts in Metal Gear Solid. Including postgame and my hydra partner's posts at the beginning (about five?), I had 76 posts in Machina. In both games, I was out before D2.

I come in like clockwork. I post once or twice a day. Never more, never less. I get caught up. If I need to attend to a time-intensive task (i.e. explaining a read in-depth), I will spend time on it. I then leave the game. I may come back to the game if I haven't logged out yet (e.g. I was working in another game, finished my work there, and saw new posts since my last), but once I leave, I leave for the day, and don't come back until the next. This is consistent across all my games. It never changes. Never has, never will.

You had 48 posts because we killed you N1. XP

You had significantly less in Machina, because you were in a hydra.

Are you trying to undermine your own point abour the machina game?

Bear

[Polar Vortex]

Ranger, I don't get your scum reads on ARS and MoI.

Last I checked they seemed pretty town but I haven't read in a little while.

Talk to me about em?

Umm, any reasons why they seem town? Especially ARS. Talk to me about that:P
Bear

[Polar Vortex]

Magna, if you agree with me that watcher is a weak role than why did you ask us about why we'd be happy if Jeanne was NK-ed?

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

{TheDominator, The Banterlords, BlueBloodedToffee, Dragon Knight, FA_Q2}

Not surprisingly the players most interested in a Ranger list (Dragon, Banter, Dom) fall right into the pool of players who Ranger thinks are un-impeachable Town. And let’s examine the reasons for these 3 per Ranger –

Why is it unsurprising?

The third read is just as generic as the first two. No particular reference to actual posts.
And that’s’ why I find these reads suspect. Ranger as Town should be skeptical that a wagon being driven hard on her has at least some scum involved in the mix. That’s natural. Especially since the entirety of the push is basically meta driven and as Polar has pointed out Jean’s claim being bad doesn’t mean that it has to come from scum. But Ranger doesn’t bat an eye at any of the players driving hardest for her. Nope they are all obvious, unimpeachable Town.

Assuming she's town, which of those players would you suspect?

That's because he's saying words you want to hear.

Ranger is peddling what she thinks will best deflect the wagon off herself IMO.

I really don't think the best way for scum in Ranger's position to survive would be to town read the players who pushed for her lynch and go after you. This sounds like the opposite of what scum-Ranger should be doing.

I certainly wasn’t sold on “Let’s lynch for meta” stance. But the way her reads have come down fit so solidly with “Scum looking to survive” as opposed to “Town actually wanting to find scum” I’m not adverse to Ranger as the lynch today.

Yeah, I really don't get the "Scum looking to survive" vibe from her. I mean, it's not like she claimed cop at L-1

[Polar Vortex]

We've collectively decided to give a pass to a scummier player, one who's scummy because of things he has actually done and said, who claimed after being put at L-1, which gave him an actual motive to claim. A player who claimed cop with an implicit twist, which gives him room to wiggle tomorrow. But, ok, everyone is willing to take this risk, and so are we. Now why aren't you willing to take the same risk (I'd even say, a smaller risk) with a player whose biggest faults are basically not playing and only showing up to defend herself and claim unprompted?

How am I the only one who sees the issue here?

MoI, talk to me. I thought you'd see this, but apparently you don't. How is ranger's lynch acceptable but DK's isn't, taking not just their claims, but their play in consideration?

-Snow (previous one was mine too)

[Polar Vortex]

And no, you don't fucking get a choice in who you investigate. I propose we also take a vote on that one.

Bearbert

No, no and fuck no.

This is asinine in the extreme. By telling scum who a cop is targeting you give them information that they need to decide in order to plan their actions.

We have 2 options, if you think DK is scum then you lynch it. If you think DK is town then they direct their power where they see fit. Chaining a PR is simply giving scum all the power over it.

Think about it like this. We tell DK to investigate Dom. They can't kill DK because Ranger is watching him. So if Dom is scum he can't do anything if he doesn't have a godfather role. If he's town, we either get an innocent investigation or we force scum to kill him. Either way we win. What's wrong with this plan?


Bear

[Polar Vortex]

And no, you don't fucking get a choice in who you investigate. I propose we also take a vote on that one.

Bearbert

No, no and fuck no.

This is asinine in the extreme. By telling scum who a cop is targeting you give them information that they need to decide in order to plan their actions.

We have 2 options, if you think DK is scum then you lynch it. If you think DK is town then they direct their power where they see fit. Chaining a PR is simply giving scum all the power over it.

I'm willing to lynch BBT as a compromise. Would prefer Dom/Scrouge. What do you think of those 2?

Bear

[Polar Vortex]

Anyone want to give me the cliffnotes? Ill catch up in full later.

DK claimed cop, Jeanne(replaced by Ranger) claimed Watcher. We should lynch Dominator

Bear

[Polar Vortex]

Lets lynch scum.

VOTE: Code of Honor

And we're not telling DK who t investigate because it will only tell scum what to do about it. Obviously Ranger should watch DK so scum can't kill him (that's assuming Ranger and DK are both town)

If we play it right, they have absolutely nothing to do about it. That's what I said pretty much

Bear

[Polar Vortex]

Ok.

Well I still think CoH is scum, my vote wasn;t because of that alone.

Why? I don't see that in CoH so you'll have to explain if you want a lynch that way. If you don't, it's just a throwaway vote that means nothing


Magna, what do you think about BBT? I'm becoming increasingly suspicious of his absence and would totally change my vote there. Also, I believe we aren't lynching Blackstar today so you could change your vote as deadline is approaching
-----Bearbert D------
^signed in a more obvious way so Magna doesn't think I'm Snow -.-


^signin

[Polar Vortex]

He's scum.

What more do you need? Just look at his push on me and tell me how that comes from a town perspective.

Why are you town? Have you done anything that would make people read you as scum? If not, why is FA_Q's push bad?


Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Magna, that plan will never happen. After the initial push I realized DK would not do it so I mostly pushed to see reactions as potential Dom partners would oppose the plan. My only conlusion is that I don't like the way FA_Q opposed it. Still, if we end up doing it we can always change the target to either BBT or ircher. Still, yeah, I guess Dom is the best lynch right now. Not because he's the scummiest necessarily, but he's done nothing to make me think he's town. And I certainly don't want him in lylo. I know it's an easy target but I do believe others can make me think they're town. He can't, not if he keeps playing like this. Also, I don't believe for a moment that post was sarcasm and he just chose that as an easy defence to a contradiction

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

All those wagons - this game is playing out like a newbie.

How embarrassing.

Your play is the emberassing one here. And the only thing I find bad about FA_Q's push is that he isn't doing anything else. Point out what's wrong with it. Eithet that or you get lynched. Your choice

Bear

[Polar Vortex]

Well no, I've got a town read on Ranger and DK. It's mostly that at some point the game was only filled with lots of players who looked useless(DK, Jeanne, Dominator, Cobalt). So I wanted to get rid of the scummiest of them. We've gained Ranger, I've no idea about Ircher but BBT seems to be intentionally useless. So getting rid of those kind of players is the best right now. Obviously, I'd prefer Dom being vigged but I'm not putting any hope into that. And I think Dom is the easiest compromise we can do so there's that


Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Two wagons I have absolutely no interest in. Can we go back to compromising on Dom? Yeah, Blackstar, it's not really what he's done but what he hasn't done. Still, his posts don't seem genuine to me at all and like I said, that sarcasm thing was really jarring

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Didn't follow it closely since I'm not interested in lynching either of you today. But a lot of what you dislike about her seems like personality. I'm also annoyed by the constant references to the wiki, but I see it as townish. Like that seems to me like a town mindset, going back to some established rules to put some order into chaos. I don't agree with her but I can see where she's coming from.

I also felt you misunderstood the point about you sounding like somebody else. She tried to describe your playstyle in a manner that made sense to her, not attempt to use meta against you(like she accused you of having a certain distanced playstyle that was similar to somebody else, not because you sounded like somebody else and he was scum). That whole arguement was semantics and really minor(and annoying to read)

I think you scumread her for the same reason that you scumread Blackstar: because you don't like their playstyle. Whether this is intentional(as in attacking stuff that you objectively think it's bad so you can look town) or it's your playstyle I can't tell at the moment. I agree her townreading the people voting her was strange but I don't find that suspicious(and I think Snow has talked about this). But if you examine the motivation it looks firmly town from my standpoint.




Eta: lynching Code is stupid. I don't think you've given any reason for that ircher. And we aren't going to do that


My preffered lynches would be Dom>ARS>BBT>FA_Q. I haven't talked about FA_Q, but the reluctance to talk anything other than BBT and I don't like him from a gut standpoint


Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

Ranger generally gets nk'd anyway as town, so thats why. I dont know your skill level though.

Join me on the Code wagon, pls.

And that's an idiotic thing to suggest. She isn't going to get NK-ed, not with being one of the primary suspects today.

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Nope, I havent. I havent finished catching up, plus you guys are somewhat difficult to follow

Then don't expect people to join you on the wagon? If you weren't a recent replacement I'd consider you a very strong candidate for a compromise lynch


Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Should probably lynch PV after FA flips scum.

I see OMGUS is your only trick like expected

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Two wagons I have absolutely no interest in. Can we go back to compromising on Dom? Yeah, Blackstar, it's not really what he's done but what he hasn't done. Still, his posts don't seem genuine to me at all and like I said, that sarcasm thing was really jarring

Bearbert

You should read his noob game.

I was playing in one newbie with Dominator. Initially I had the same opinion but he was a lot more genuine there and I townread him by the time he was lynched

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Why is it unsurprising?

As I explained to Code above – my gut reaction to the terrible “case” (if you want to call it that) Ranger threw at me was “scum”. I disagree with your premise that this stance isn’t Scum looking to diffuse the wagon on them. A Town player in Ranger’s shoes should have some suspicion of the players whose case on Ranger’s slot is “Meta from prior player and lurking”. There was enough noise made in that direction that several other players stepped in to say “No, not lynching that”. But Ranger blithely just chalks that whole crew up to “Unimpeachable Town” which to me makes no sense from a Town standpoint. Especially on the basis she has provided as support.

You say it is unsurprising that she called her accusers town, but you're arguing that she's scum because she's not doing what you'd expect a town player to do in her position. It sounds like scum-her would have been better doing the expected from town and pushing one of her towny suspects, making her look town and still helping her push a mislynch. So her reads are not as expected or unsurprising as you made it sound.

Also, why is it so hard to believe that she does find them to be town? I find it harder to believe that a scum player would give up on such easy pushes.

Yeah, I really don't get the "Scum looking to survive" vibe from her. I mean, it's not like she claimed cop at L-1

See this comment confuses me. Do you think it was scummy for a player to claim Cop at L-1? Independent of what I think of Dragon’s play that lead to the wagon I don’t see anything inherently more scummy about claiming at L-1 as opposed to Jean claiming Watcher effectively “just because”. Of the two Jean’s claim looks objectively worse when viewed form a distance.

A cop claim at L-1/2 from a suspected player is always something to be weary of. I think I've already said how damaging it could be to us if he's scum, but I'll say it again. If he was getting lynched on D1, the cop claim buys him another night (where he can kill and or use his role) and another day, where he can claim a result, which can lead to a mislynch. A mislynch on day 2 would buy him yet another night and day. A cop claim is a free ticket. He loses nothing because he was already getting lynched and he can win two nights and two days, plus all the chaos and distraction he can cause.

It's much different from Jeanne's claim. She wasn't under as much pressure, there was talk of lynching her but no wagon. Her claim had risks (DK's didn't). Claiming cornered her into a role that could bring her difficulties later on. If she had the role she'd have to use it wisely because she'd have to reveal her results and couldn't risk getting caught lying. If she didn't have the role the risk would be even bigger because she'd be forced to lie. This was entirely avoidable. It is counterproductive and unnecessary. If there's something bad about her claim is that it was also completely unnecessary for her to do claim as town, but Jeanne obviously didn't bother to play and relied on her role to survive.

MoI, talk to me. I thought you'd see this, but apparently you don't. How is ranger's lynch acceptable but DK's isn't, taking not just their claims, but their play in consideration?

-Snow (previous one was mine too)

Ok I thought I had been talking to you this entire time.

I think I’ve explained this in my response to Ranger but I’ll reiterate – both players I’ve read as scummy. Dragon for his early player which earned my vote and Ranger for the replace in reads which to me don’t logically come from a Town standpoint. As I said earlier – I’m not lynching an UnCCed Cop Day 1 no matter how bad their player is. Dragon’s claim will be tested via Night and re-assessed. On the other hand I don’t believe a Watcher is nearly at the level of Cop as far as leash Day 1 goes.

Is Ranger my preferred lynch? No, not at this stage. But it is a lynch I would consider dependent on how my read on the slot develops.

As much as I'd like to, I'm not arguing for a DK lynch, I'm giving them a chance and hoping they're town, even though I'm aware their claim can be really hurtful to us if they're scum. So, if I'm willing to take this risk with DK, as are you, why aren't you willing to take the risk with Ranger? Because her reads "don’t logically come from a Town standpoint"? Because her role is weaker? Opinions. Opinions I disagree with. "Opinions" that to me can't logically come from a Town standpoint.

You're downplaying the value of her role and stubbornly scum reading her for things that are just wrong, no matter how well you try to justify them.

- Snow

[Polar Vortex]

Two wagons I have absolutely no interest in. Can we go back to compromising on Dom? Yeah, Blackstar, it's not really what he's done but what he hasn't done. Still, his posts don't seem genuine to me at all and like I said, that sarcasm thing was really jarring

Bearbert

Ok then help me out here - have you read the back and forth Ranger and I have had? If so please let me know what you see in our interaction that screams Town to you. Or what point I am making you think don't hold up. Or if you haven't please do so.

Didn't follow it closely since I'm not interested in lynching either of you today. But a lot of what you dislike about her seems like personality. I'm also annoyed by the constant references to the wiki, but I see it as townish. Like that seems to me like a town mindset, going back to some established rules to put some order into chaos. I don't agree with her but I can see where she's coming from.

I also felt you misunderstood the point about you sounding like somebody else. She tried to describe your playstyle in a manner that made sense to her, not attempt to use meta against you(like she accused you of having a certain distanced playstyle that was similar to somebody else, not because you sounded like somebody else and he was scum).

That whole arguement was semantics and really minor(and annoying to read)

I think you scumread her for the same reason that you scumread Blackstar: because you don't like their playstyle. Whether this is intentional(as in attacking stuff that you objectively think it's bad so you can look town) or it's your playstyle I can't tell at the moment.

I agree her townreading the people voting her was strange but I don't find that suspicious(and I think Snow has talked about this). But if you examine the motivation it looks firmly town from my standpoint.

Bearbert D

Quoting my other head for context. When he says it feels like you misunderstood her, it feels like you misunderstand a lot of things, or rather, that you just don't understand a lot of things that I'd expect a player with your quality and level of experience to understand. That meta argument, it was something as simple as she suspecting you because your play fits a certain scum playstyle she'd seen before, we all do this, we all judge things based on our past experience, but you managed to twist this into something else and use it against her. Then you weave a whole narrative how she's just trying to look town and win some debate points; pointing to the wiki to win points. This isn't about points, not for town at least. She's just arguing, attacking your points and defending hers. You argue her role isn't valuable enough to not lynch her and that it makes sense as a scum role, she points to the MS wiki which states Watcher is a powerful role to town and not so powerful to scum. Your reply is that she's trying to win some virtual debate currency...

Your suspicion on Blackstar. Similar thing. Simple posts are apparently misinterpreted and wrongly judged. And then you refuse to give in and admit or even consider that maybe you're wrong about your reads when confronted, or simply that things are not the way you perceive them. You work your way into a tunnel and refuse to get out of it, even when the exit is right in front of you.

[Polar Vortex]

- Snow ^

VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

[Polar Vortex]

I honestly can't understand Code's last posts. She is misunderstanding a lot of stuff. Like claiming ircher wasn't doing anything specific or that his read said my slot was scummy(hint: it didn't).

I would have hated ircher if he hadn't attacked Magna before Snow did. Usually scum want to anticipate where the wagon is going to be and jump on it before fully forming. I don't think that's what ircher is doing now. And yes, I am concerned he's trying to buddy me but I don't feel it quite yet(mainly because I think my slot is fucking towny and if you can't see that you're blind)

I also hate the way Code defends magna just based on the fact that ircher attacked him. First, that's a stupid way to scumhunt before you get at least one flip. Second, the confidence that ircher is scum is just jarring. Like I really don't get it... All in all, I had a Code townread prior to this and those posts aren't enough for me to argue a lynch today but it is something to keep in mind


And then DK, yeah, this town is horrible but 90% of the reason for that is that you're a part of it.


Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

I honestly can't understand Code's last posts. She is misunderstanding a lot of stuff.

"Misunderstanding". With quotation marks.

It kind-of reminds you of someone you happen to be voting right now, doesn't it?

Not exactly no. Magna was manipulating what you said to mean a slightly different thing but with things in common. Code is just getting stuff straight up wrong. Don't get me wrong, it's still suspicious but not at the same level as magna.

Bear

[Polar Vortex]

Eh, I'm still voting MagnaofIllusion for good reason, but I think given this, you can at least understand why I'd move to Code of Honor in a heartbeat, yes?

I don't understand your need to justify changing your vote to me. But I think you should considet their whole play, not only the last few posts

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

There is something I severily dislike in ircher's catchup post. He said that my slot doesn't ingage in stupid TvT. But that implies there are some strong TvT in the game(and I don't go into them like the others-as a constrast). But I don't see any interaction that reeks of TvT. The only that are quite similar to an usual TvT are MagnavsRanger and FA_Q vs BBT. But I guess he was reffering to the former. At the same time, isn't Magna his primal suspect? Why would he consider an interaction between his best suspect and his most trusted townread as TvT. Doesn't add up. Not if he's town. But if he'a scum he could know that both are town. Really, really don't like this. Care to explain, ircher?

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

Let's umm, discuss things first before we do something stupid?

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

Banterlords is super duper town with that unvote btw

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Ranger's willingless to hammer is town. Just what she's doing is stupid and we need to discuss things first. Like the Code wagon has been mostly votes with absolutely no explanation. And I want that explanation before a flip.

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Ircher, Ranger, hammer.

Also, for Dwlee, that is null, at best. that's not his town play, unfortunately.

I really don't understand that last line.
~Dwlee

The unvote. It's not your town play.

Are you implying that him not being dumb is a sign of scum? I guess that could explain all your reads...


Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Polar, how the HELL are you so dumb? Is it that you're scum? Are you dwlee's coach? That's probably it.

@Blackstar Dwlee is being coached.

That is the most idiotic statement ever. Even if they had daytalk this game, do you really think somebody told him to unvote, he read that message and then unvoted in those fucking 8 minutes from Ranger's intent to hammer until the unvote? Like I'm actually baffled about how you could think such an idiotic thing

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Ranger, why do you think scum Code wouldn't have claimed when you stated intent to hammer? I would have, immediatly. Maybe even claim the real role if it could possibly belong to town.

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

Ranger, why do you think scum Code wouldn't have claimed when you stated intent to hammer?

Let's say your real role is something unambiguously scum. Ninja. Godfather. When pressured to, on the spot, instantly claim, what do you do? This is role madness, so they can't claim VT.

Exactly. If their real role is something unambiguously scum, then they have to spend time crafting up a believable fakeclaim that they hope doesn't sound like a scum role and which they also hope doesn't serve to counterclaim a real town role. This is not something they can do on the spot; it must be made after careful consideration.

Ergo, Code of Honor is scum, trying to create a fakeclaim.

I'd rather claim something stupid on the spot rather than claim nothing and get lynched. And fakeclaiming is easy as fuck if you don't want to do anything important with it later.

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

Fakeclaiming is a Very Big Thing to Titus.

To me too. That's why I start thinking of fakeclaims the moment I see a scum PM. If she cares so much about that wouldn't she do the same?(incidentally, I wouldn't fakeclaim something so dull as an ascetic. Not that I expect anyone to take my word on that)

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Did anybody fucking clear Ranger based on the role? Even if I wasn't townreading her I would have suggested keeping her alive for today to watch DK this night. But I cleared her purely on play, just insisted it's stupid to lynch her today based on the role.


Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Well, Ranger is certainly not going today. So that debate is moot. But hopefully we aren't lynching Code either

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Bye Ranger:/ We will miss you.
DK was a lyncher. Wow. Glad they're dead though

VOTE: Magnaofillusion<--- there are so many reasons why he fits as a Code partner.

First: Code didn't fight for his survival. That leads me to think the other wagon(Magna) was also scum. He didn't want to lynch Magna not because he liked him, but because he didn't like Ircher who was attacking Magna. That means defending his partner without really defending.
Second: The chainsaw on Ircher was ridiculous. Code was in a good position before he went after Ircher. Why did he need to go after Ircher in such a bad way? They could have left their heads down and not stick out that much. I think Code was getting scared of a Magna lynch where the momentum was going.
Third: Read the flavor for Code's flip. It says that the other scum is their boss. That would be a good idea why Code preferred to be lynched instead of Magna.
Fourth: Ranger is dead. Ranger was the leader of the Magna wagon.
Fifth(not related): I think we've got a serial killer in the game. I believe Ranger was killed by the scum and DK by the Sk. Another theory would suggest Ranger being killed by DK but that makes absolutely no sense with DK's lyncher role.

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

I kinda feel bad for DK that they couldn't last longer with that role, but I'm happy we don't have to worry about the role anymore!

Digging the magna-votes. However, I also had some ??? at Polar for pushing the compromise-lynch over Code.

I did suspect Code based on their last posts, but still had residual town feelings about them. My bad. I'm still annoyed that people didn't elaborate more on the Code votes. That was another reason I didn't like the wagon. We'd have a lot more to go on if people had made a case on Code. And Ranger stating her intention to quick hammer is still ridiculous.

Bearbert D

[Polar Vortex]

So, it looks DK set us on fire before they died... we won't survive the next night.

And since we're already dying we might as well reveal that we're not ascetic. We're a reflexive poisoner. If our killer didn't die last night, he'll die with us (as well as anyone dumb enough to target a claimed ascetic with a non-killing ability - no one, I hope).

- Snow

[Polar Vortex]

We were set on fire by firebringer lol

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

So you don't think Magna is as guilty as hell, ircher? I think we should lynch him but I'd like some time to think about possible SK's before we lynch. At this point BBT, Masquerade and Dominator would be the obvious choices. Or this might be multifaction but hopefully not...

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

717 anyone else feel this is resentment after bussing?

VOTE: ircher
Explain to me why you never voted code because I don't get it.

Don't see it man. The way code went after ircher really doesn't feel like bussing to me.

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Any thoughts on Magna, Blackstar?

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

[unvote}[/unvote]
I will look into this more when I'm a bit more sober but so far I sill don't get why ircher didn;t vote code in the end because he did before the wagon on them started.

Because the wagon on Magna was far superior and all the cool kids where there?

Blackstar, what do you think about the connection I made between Code and Blackstar in my first post of the day? I think I made a convincing case on why they are partners...

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

717 anyone else feel this is resentment after bussing?

VOTE: ircher
Explain to me why you never voted code because I don't get it.

Don't see it man. The way code went after ircher really doesn't feel like bussing to me.

Bearbert

True but that only addresses half of his point. Ircher did agree code was scum, multiple times. He completely avoided voting for code save for a very short time when he was the only one on the wagon. Ircher has essentially avoided voting in general sticking with magna the entire day.

I see what you mean about him. The interaction from ircher with Code is weird. But I think the other part, the fact that Code got voted for the absolutely unnecesary attack on ircher does enough for me to clear them as partners. Obviously he could still be SK but I'm more interested in lynching the Code partner: Magna.

Incidentally, what do you think about the possibility of BBT being a serial killer? Would definetly fit with him staying low all game. I guess he could fit as a code partner too?

Masquerade, I'm pretty sure DK didn't kill Ranger. It would be stupid as hell to lose the game because you nightkill the person you are supposed to lynch. And I say the wagon on Magna was better because from the information we had at that point, Magna was the most suspicious. Code flipping scum doesn't change that(especially because Magna will also flip scum)

Bear

[Polar Vortex]

Out of curiosity, did anyone visit me last night? (PS: If you answer, answer that question only)

I'd still support a Magna lynch right now, fyi. Gotta think on who else is scum and the SK though.

Code has only one partner. It says so in his role

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Out of curiosity, did anyone visit me last night? (PS: If you answer, answer that question only)

I'd still support a Magna lynch right now, fyi. Gotta think on who else is scum and the SK though.

Code has only one partner. It says so in his role

Bearbert

Then why are you assuming a SK rather than multiball?

I don't think that the flavor is enough to assume there are only 2 scum with this many players. I also think it rather strange that DK was killed even though they were BP.

2+2+DK seems a bit unbalanced for town.

Bearbert

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I'm ok with lynching Dom today. Will have to check with Snowstorm. That slips seems pretty solid. But I don't trust magna one bit. Don't trust him at all after we die. It could very well be a fakeclaim

But no, Magna, the fact that I think you buddied each other doesn't mean I don't know how scum buss. I'm a big fan of bussing. But sometimes experienced players decide to protect each other strongly. And with the precarious position both of you were in I could certainly see something like that. I've seen that as well. So don't imply I don't know how to play the game based on that. It's silly as fuck. And note I never said that Ranger getting killed was only based on the fact that she suspected you. I just used it as a point in the case(the weakest one actually)

Do the two third parties include you? Because I see no reason for the mod to word it like that.

Bearbert

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Do the two third parties include you? Because I see no reason for the mod to word it like that.

We're not allowed to quote the mod's pms..

Ok. I know that I think what I asked is fine, but if you want to be on the safe side sure. I won't press for an answer. But magna should ask shos if he's allowed to reveal that

Bearbert

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I've just got a thought. Does anybody have an investigative role? By that I mean allignment cop only not tracker/watcher. I'll explain after I get an answer why I asked this

Bearbert

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VOTE: Dominator

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^bear

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I've just got a thought. Does anybody have an investigative role? By that I mean allignment cop only not tracker/watcher. I'll explain after I get an answer why I asked this

Bearbert

Why would anyone answer this?

We are either doing a full claim (not really unusual in a RM game), no one is going to answer you or you need to tell us why you are seeking that answer.

Ok. Had to try. Basically the fact that Code's partner was reffered as a boss made me think we would have a godfather. And since DK wasn't really an investigative role, godfather wouldn't make sense with anothet cop. But I think a town cop would have counterclaimed DK. And I think an SK with a cop role would fit. So I hoped the SK would have been stupid enough to claim and out himself. Low percentage of working but it doesn't hurt to try.

But this leaves an interesting idea. If we agree it's a strong possibility the SK has a cop style role, then I think we should start looking at the way people reacted to DK's claim.

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^bear

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SK cop?

That would be a new one. SK and cop roles do not fit together at all.

I've played an SK cop before. Made sense as knowing the scum team is useful.

Bearbert

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@Polar
How do you know there is a cop?

You claimed reflexive poisoner, right? How do we know you aren't TPR SK or Mafia?

You told me not to do mod wifom anymore. So I'm not doing it. I don't know there's a cop but that wording really implied a godfather to me.

And you're free to think whatever. That doesn't change the fact that we're obvtown

Bearbert

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A reflexive poisoner is imo not obvtown. I will scratch the mafia possibility though -- No reason for you to claim. But, I stuill entertain the TPR idea....

But, we're not wasting a lynch on you since you're dying anyway

We're obvtown based on play not role

Bearbert

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The whole having one day left to live and our main suspect claiming survivor situation is kind of demotivating. It just wakes up the lazy in me.

We don't need to rush this day though. I mean, we definitely shouldn't. If we mislynch today we'll be in trouble. We really need to make sure we lynch the last mafia or the SK.

-Snow

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Wtf is happening in this game?

Bearbert

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VOTE: Dom

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^bear

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Back for V/LA –

Well just a quick scan of thread tells me I don’t have time to mess around with this stupid wagon on me. So I’m claiming.

I’m and Informed Survivor (SMS Computer Algorithm). That’s right I’m 3rd party. I win if I survive til the end of the game regardless of who wins. I got three pieces of information in my role PM about the set-up itself.

1. There is a lyncher in the game.
2. There are two 3rd Parties in game.
3. There are at least three different possible kill sources in the game.

My play surrounding Ranger was 100% based on the fact that his lazy call of me as 100% scum without so much as building a case was a strong player replacing into the lyncher slot with me as the target. Now that Diamond has actually flipped that role and is still a non-3rd party (argue if you want but Semi-Town is still Town) I’m in agreement we have a Serial Killer in the game. Because

if the other lyncher was not 3rd Party

I don’t see any other reasonable non-Bastard roles that fulfill the second piece of information (since I am the first 3rd Party role).

What other lyncher?

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Really? Because after BBT's death, two lynchers kinda make sense.

-Snow

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And clearly there is not a second lyncher since my Role PM only specified one. And despite Role Madness this game is not Bastard and thus directly lying to me is not something Shos could be doing.

Well, if anyone is lying it'd be you, not Shos...

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There's nothing we can do except wait for a Dom flip

Bear

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Unvote:

(sorry Bear)

Does everyone fully believe Magna's claim? It doesn't sit well with me that we went from lynching him to lynching who he wants after he claimed third party...

Still want Dom to claim though.

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But don't forget Magna tomorrow. He still needs to be lynched before the end of the game. I don't believe his claim at all

Bear

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Magna is a lynch day before mylo/lylo. Dont worry about them.for now. It is in their best interest as claimed survivor to try to lynch the scum as quickly as possible to.avoid the policy lynch. Plus the case on dom is top notch

That's all good if Magna really is a survivor.

-Snow.

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Last posts we are doing this game: lynch Magna tomorrow

Bear