Catching up – this posts is getting long so only goes to
479. The remainder afterwards.
In post 426, Masquerade wrote:While I agree with you about Dom, the experience I have with him is kinda this. I think he'd be a good investigative target.
Disagree in full here. If you have the choice you don’t investigate and clear players who don’t provide content. Because them being clear isn’t likely to help Town. They aren’t going to help find scum. These types of players are solid Vig targets. You investigate players who are active but may be dangerous because they are skilled. If they are scum it saves making a very tough case and if they are clear they become a powerful tool.
A quick scan of your ISO shows this was an RVS vote. Why did you have it parked as such when you expressed other interests in who is scum (Jean in
253 as a quick example)?
In post 361, Polar Vortex wrote:You're right that claiming makes her a target, she'd be a waste of a NK though, so the only option scum would have to get rid of her would be through lynching her
Why would an information role, no matter how weak the player who has the role, be a waste of a Nightkill for scum? I’d love for you to elaborate on that premise if you could.
In post 383, The Banterlords wrote:If both of them are town, a roleblocker almost certainly exists. If one of them is scum that person can claim roleblocked. Them being scum together isnt a thing I dont think unless some crazy scum theatre is going on.
~Dwlee
Given this line of thought do you still agree with the plan BBT proposed?
Um do you read other games here on MS? Here’s a link for you –
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65851
Mini Normal. 12 player game. Had a 3rd party role. Your thoughts now?
In post 443, Ranger wrote:Very much so, yes. Of course, my role happens to be ill-suited for my slot (it's not a role which meshes well with my typical play), but I would prefer not being forced to claim all the same.
Btw, from what I've seen so far: I've picked up that apparently, BlackStar is a tracker.
I believe the role. I don't believe he's town.
This post is suspect. The “Umm my role doesn’t fit” is unnecessary given the “I don’t want to claim” follow-up. Because anyone who knows your play can narrow down what roles that might be.
Link to the post where you surmised Blackstar is a tracker. I see your
450. What post of Masq made you surmise that.
Ask and you shall receive. Let’s look at her “Untouchable Town” list.
In post 471, Ranger wrote:{TheDominator, The Banterlords, BlueBloodedToffee, Dragon Knight, FA_Q2}
Not surprisingly the players most interested in a Ranger list (Dragon, Banter, Dom) fall right into the pool of players who Ranger thinks are un-impeachable Town. And let’s examine the reasons for these 3 per Ranger –
In post 472, Ranger wrote:TheDominator is a chronic lurker. He plays this way every game, town or scum. A lynch there would be for policy reasons alone, and have objectively no better chances of hitting scum than random lynching. It would also give no information whatsoever. The reason I have TheDominator as such a strong townread, however, is that in spite of his lack of content, I still got strong town vibes from his early posting.
This starts as a meta read that basically says “Dom plays exactly this way regardless of alignment”. Yet the conclusion is that “He’s super Town because vibes”. Very generic and unspecific about why the early posts give any sort of vibe as Town.
In post 472, Ranger wrote:Dragon Knight was hard to get an initial read on, but I felt the AtE around the claim was incredibly genuine.
Rests solely on AtE being genuine. And tellingly says nothing about everything that happens after where Dragon is calling his slot confirmed meta scum via Jeanne. I’ll address why this is important in a bit.
In post 472, Ranger wrote:The Banterlords was a bit of an iffy read at first: there was some town stuff, and some not so town stuff. But the more I read, the better their logic looked. Not necessarily right, but looking like it came from a town player.
The third read is just as generic as the first two. No particular reference to actual posts.
And that’s’ why I find these reads suspect. Ranger as Town should be skeptical that a wagon being driven hard on her has at least some scum involved in the mix. That’s natural. Especially since the entirety of the push is basically meta driven and as Polar has pointed out Jean’s claim being bad doesn’t mean that it has to come from scum. But Ranger doesn’t bat an eye at any of the players driving hardest for her. Nope they are all obvious, unimpeachable Town.
That’s why this post is telling IMO –
Ranger is peddling what she thinks will best deflect the wagon off herself IMO.
Then we have this –
In post 472, Ranger wrote:Similarly, MagnaofIllusion is playing exactly the same way Red Coyote did in Twin Peaks. It's textbook scum play. That level of objective distance allows for him to push stances which are logically sound, but which will result in a town player being lynched. His entire iso is basically one long scum claim.
This is basically fluff. There’s a soft meta element (“You can go look up RedCoyote in this one game”) that she knows doesn’t hold water since it is meta on a completely different player. Then it is a nicely worded generic statement. Riddled with phrases meant to carry weight “Objective Distance” “Logically Sound” but say nothing directly. And then just the generic “It’s one big scum-claim”. No pointing to any particular posts.
In summary that’s my feeling about all of
472 is very generic. These are broad-brush stroke posts with no actual depth of analysis.
I certainly wasn’t sold on “Let’s lynch for meta” stance. But the way her reads have come down fit so solidly with “Scum looking to survive” as opposed to “Town actually wanting to find scum” I’m not adverse to Ranger as the lynch today.
Especially given how strongly Dragon is pushing given what he stands to lose Town Cred wise if Ranger flips Town and how Ranger is going out of his way to appease the other investigation role.
"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.
