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Post Post #825 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:29 am

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wow, s**te. Looks like i got simul-
posted
bandwagonned. :evil:
You people say
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I srsly dont like the fact that Gorgon has outright lied in post 815.
I disagree with HeH in post 821. Dude, we cant go after Chronx full throttle, because he is CONFIRMED TOWN. I dont know how i can make this any clearer. We need to open his eyes to the situation and get him to contribute, but votes wont achieve that. I thought patience might work, but i guess all that patience is rewarded with around here is ridiculous BW voting.

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Post Post #826 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:31 am

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Flavor, BM?
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Post Post #827 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:33 am

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Where did I lie, BM?
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Post Post #828 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:37 am

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ChronX wrote:Flavor, BM?
lol my pm didnt contain any flavour. I srsly hope you are taking the rip here... :shock:

Gorgon-you lied when you said i logged off the site, when in fact i was on the site the whole time, making my claim post.
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Post Post #829 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:39 am

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Battle Mage wrote:Gorgon-you lied when you said i logged off the site, when in fact i was on the site the whole time, making my claim post.
Well, I didn't know that, did I? I didn't see you on the Forum Index, so I thought you weren't on. Now I know that you were writing a long claim post, so I retract this statement. But it's only a lie if you know it to be false, BM.
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Post Post #830 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:41 am

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Yeah more or less...more of a swipe than a rip.
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Post Post #831 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:42 am

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And yeah BM, me and HeH couldn't see you in the currently logged in list either. I was checking because I wouldn't have left my vote on you if the whole remaining town was logged on.
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Post Post #832 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:43 am

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I didn't see you logged in, either, BM. I specifically looked for it, also.
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Post Post #833 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:44 am

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ChronX wrote:Yeah more or less...more of a swipe than a rip.
:?:

Actually, i dont even wanna know. Just claim who you saw on the second night already. :x

I dont know why i wouldnt have appeared on the list. I dont go on 'Hidden' Mode, so unless the site is broken, or you all lie, i have no idea why i wasnt listed.

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Post Post #834 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:46 am

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Battle Mage wrote:I dont know why i wouldnt have appeared on the list. I dont go on 'Hidden' Mode, so unless the site is broken, or you all lie, i have no idea why i wasnt listed.
I guess your online status is only updated if you load something, so if you just have a post window open for a long time, while not opening anything else on the site, you disappear from the list.
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Post Post #835 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:51 am

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BM - I don't understand how you can't recall if you are missing something. Don't you still have your role pm?
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Post Post #836 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:51 am

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distad wrote:BM - I don't understand how you can't recall if you are missing something. Don't you still have your role pm?
no something from my role pm-something about the game itself that i wanted to comment on... :roll:
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Post Post #837 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:52 am

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What blunder did I make? You can disagree with my claim timing, but it advanced the game exponentially over where we would be now if I hadn't.

You and I also seem to disagree about the power of my power. My results are barely results at all. I can't determine alignment, or even action. Suppose I followed someone and they ended up at Raffles house that night. I couldn't say for SURE that they were the murderer. I could have pointed the finger and the accused could say, well, I'm the cop and I went and investigated him that night. He was town! (LOL)

I thought claiming was a chance to divert the mafia if the masons turned out to be masons. Clearly they thought d3sisted was the better townie to kill, and they would have had no reason to suppose there was still doc protection out there.

And for discussion, you sure have set up a nice WIFOM if we get through today without the game ending and you wake up alive tomorrow. Heck, you even possibly have powers you haven't told us about yet!
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Post Post #838 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:56 am

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Battle Mage wrote:
Role: Jack of All Trades

Ability:
several 1-shot powers which can be used at night.

At the start of the game i had:
1 shot Cop Investigation.
1 shot Doc Protection.
1 shot Roleblock.
1 shot NK Immunity.
1 shot Redirect.
1 shot Vig-Kill.

I may have forgotten one, but i think thats it.
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Post Post #839 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:57 am

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ChronX wrote:What blunder did I make? You can disagree with my claim timing, but it advanced the game exponentially over where we would be now if I hadn't.

You and I also seem to disagree about the power of my power. My results are barely results at all. I can't determine alignment, or even action. Suppose I followed someone and they ended up at Raffles house that night. I couldn't say for SURE that they were the murderer. I could have pointed the finger and the accused could say, well, I'm the cop and I went and investigated him that night. He was town! (LOL)

I thought claiming was a chance to divert the mafia if the masons turned out to be masons. Clearly they thought d3sisted was the better townie to kill, and they would have had no reason to suppose there was still doc protection out there.

And for discussion, you sure have set up a nice WIFOM if we get through today without the game ending and you wake up alive tomorrow. Heck, you even possibly have powers you haven't told us about yet!
you clearly forget that if the game isnt over by tomorrow, assuming we dont hit scum today, there can only be 2 scum. That means you and Gorgon are no longer confirmed innocents. Do you actually deny this, or are you simply enjoying acting paranoid too much to stop and get a grip? :o
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Post Post #840 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:41 am

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distad wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
Role: Jack of All Trades

Ability:
several 1-shot powers which can be used at night.

At the start of the game i had:
1 shot Cop Investigation.
1 shot Doc Protection.
1 shot Roleblock.
1 shot NK Immunity.
1 shot Redirect.
1 shot Vig-Kill.

I may have forgotten one, but i think thats it.
Bolded for emphasis.
I'm very curious to hear this answer as well.
Battle Mage wrote:Next i want Chronx to claim ONLY who he saw target me on the Night Raffles died. I dont want a full claim-just the bare necessities to allow me to get a grip with where we are.
HeH can claim after, and ONLY AFTER, Chronx has met this request.
@BM
: I don't understand why you want me to hold off. You're conviced ChronX is town and I therefore assume you think he's telling the truth. I can only assume you still have doubts about me. Wouldn't having me claim first be better for the town? From your perspective, wouldn't it be better to have the unknown person (me) reveal first? That way I wouldn't be able to tailor my message in light of what ChronX says. Please explain why you are so adamant ChronX claim first.

@ChronX
: BM wants you to reveal who you targeted night 2 before I claim. I don't really see why, but I'm holding off claiming until I hear from him with an explanation. Would you prefer I claimed first?
Battle Mage wrote:By the way, if anyone has any doubts about my claim, i have 1 special breadcrumb up my sleeve. Unfortunately as it is slightly immoral to use it, i'd rather not unless i have to. But just so you know. ;)
I have doubts about your claim. However, if what you have is possibly immoral you shouldn't use it without the mod's approval. I want to win, but I want to win fairly.
There are two types of people in the world -- those who divide people into types and those who don't.

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Post Post #841 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:25 am

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I am curious about BM's explanation for both things he is being asked about right now. Then you and I can have a palaver. Maybe we should make the deal that you spoke of with him, I will post what I know while you post what you know.

If you read BM's output today, he has done a nice job of casting aspersions on me without quite coming right out and doing so. Maybe its unconscious OMGUS since I am being pretty outspoken in my doubts about him.
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Post Post #842 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:26 am

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/ooc Once I leave for my train today, I am LA until I get back to work tomorrow. There is drinking to be done, and Distad used up the drunken posting quota for this game already.
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Post Post #843 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:33 am

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ChronX wrote:I am curious about BM's explanation for both things he is being asked about right now. Then you and I can have a palaver. Maybe we should make the deal that you spoke of with him, I will post what I know while you post what you know.
I don't think it will be necessary. I actually have my claim written and saved in Word so I can copy & paste it quickly. I have no problem claiming first and I actually think it makes more sense from a town point of view, since it would prevent me from modifying my claim based on what you say. I don't think it works the other way, since I don't see how my claim could change what you say. Unless BM has a good reason I'm not seeing for you to go first, I'll go ahead and claim.
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Post Post #844 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:33 am

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I agree. Although, I plan to add a little extra tomorrow, anyway. So, get it while the getting's good!
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Post Post #845 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:30 am

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Post Post #846 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:39 am

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BM should be returning from class pretty soon. I anticipate an answer by the time I get back from the gym (which I'll be leaving for in about 45 minutes, FYI).
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Post Post #847 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:45 am

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distad wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
Role: Jack of All Trades

Ability:
several 1-shot powers which can be used at night.

At the start of the game i had:
1 shot Cop Investigation.
1 shot Doc Protection.
1 shot Roleblock.
1 shot NK Immunity.
1 shot Redirect.
1 shot Vig-Kill.

I may have forgotten one, but i think thats it.
ah i forgot to delete that lol. As it goes, when i originally typed it up, i forgot that i had the 1 shot Vig-Kill, so i was right to make the comment. :p

@HeH-what doubts do you have about my claim? I dont think i could possibly have breadcrumbed any better, nor could i have done a better job with the night choices i made. As far as i'm aware, you werent particularly suspicious of me before today. Why has my claim increased your suspicion of me?

As far as Chronx claiming first goes, its pretty simple. As far as the game is concerned, if Chronx can claim that he saw you target me on that night, you needn't, and shouldn't claim first. It also puts us in an entirely different situation, because it gives us 4 confirmed innocents from a group of 7. In that case we can take our time to work through the process of questionning and lynching them, and hopefully win the game.
But, if Chronx can't confirm you, then time may be important, as we will have 1 innocent in a group of 4 suspects. Even worse-if Chronx saw SOMEONE ELSE target me, we have to re-evaluate our entire strategy. Mass-claims might be postponed until tomorrow, because we would have a confirmed guilty.

And in actuality, there is nothing that Chronx can say that will allow you to retract what you have already claimed. Whatever he says will have absolutely no impact on your claim, because you have already claimed to be out that night. As i've said countless times, i dont want a full claim from Chronx-just the details of that night.

What Chronx says about unconcious OMGUS is probably true. I admit that when i am confronted with attacks that i see as totally illogical, and i feel that people aren't paying attention, i find it hard just to let them be. Thats why i try to discourage personal attacks in mafia-personal emotions really screw up your scumdar.

FoS: HeH
for the whole 'i might modify my claim' argument. Srsly, if you were town, you would realise that there is no way that ANYTHING Chronx says can impact your claim as long as he doesnt go overboard with the claiming.

If Chronx cant confirm HeH as targetting me on the night i was RB'ed, i'd say my top suspects are Distad and HeH, with the 3rd scum being amongst SonicPulsar and Atticus (probably the latter).

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Day-elimmed by majority - 4

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Post Post #848 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:47 am

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distad wrote:BM should be returning from class pretty soon. I anticipate an answer by the time I get back from the gym (which I'll be leaving for in about 45 minutes, FYI).
returning from class? its late evening here. I'm more concerned with going to sleep soon. lol
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Post Post #849 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:56 am

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Hmm.. I guess I had my time zones off by a couple. I was thinking 7:30 when it came out as 9:30.

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