New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[Firebringer]

@Fire hmm actually you make a good point...in that game, you turned up JOAT iirc.
What are your scumreads? Has anything changed from d1?

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I think we all know who needs protection tonight (whether it's due to bodyguard or doctor or jailkeep or any other protection). And I don't mean me or my scumreads.

Speaking of that, pk flipped JOAT and 1 of his abilities is Jailkeeper. That is making me highly paranoid because that means there could be a Strongman in the scum team.

So you are assuming he actually JKed the person who killed them but they used a Strong man? I like Piss and thought he was town, but was a doctor really going to heal him?
Not my first choice...well he was in top 3...

[Performer]

Well...I have no idea what he did last night since pk had 4 abilities to choose from.

Maybe I am just trying to draw the night kill, Fire, with my talk of Strongman. : )
Just like the our game with talah, the very frustrating Aj (who we happened to lynch oh man....and he was 1-shot Bp Doc), Titus, and the 2-man scum team of Mafia Vigilantes.
However, I was still less experienced in that game it was a poor attempt looking back on that.

[Performer]

Do you at least agree with any of my scumreads , and if not, why?

[Egg]

Performer, talking about what should happen tonight in the way that you are doing so probably isn't best.

[Firebringer]

I don't know, Drixx maybe.
I haven't really read the other guy.

[Firebringer]

Performer, talking about what should happen tonight in the way that you are doing so probably isn't best.

Its just WIFOM that isn't going to lead to much.

[Something_Smart]

@Egg: I'm townreading Killthestory, KAAG, DGB, jam and you. I agree that Drixx-town doesn't make much sense in that scenario. Who among those voters do you think is most likely to be scum?

[Egg]

Probably Frag.

I'm scumreading Drixx independently of the wagon. Then I think there's another scum in DGB, Jam, and you if Drixx is town. If Frag is town too, there may even be two in that trio. For what it's worth, I've been townreading you and was townreading GoldRob (DGB's slot) so Jam is probably my next pick after Frag and Drixx. I also started to second guess my town read on Kickass at one point yesterday, but I want to see more before I decide whether to 180 there.

Then there's Firebringer. He was off the wagon, but that's after openly admitting he wouldn't play the game on Day 1 so he's a VCA wild card. I still think Creature was the scummiest player in the game and I really don't like Firebringer's style so that's where I'd like to lynch today.

[Drixx]

Fire why are you scum so much, in games that you and I are in? Lol

This is exactly what you said in that game Pisskop took over, and guess what?
Way to not learn from past experiences bro.

Holy fallacious reasoning, Batman. The role that someone had in a prior game has absolutely no bearing on what role they were assigned this game.

[Fraggernaut]

@Egg

I think there's scum on the wagon , I think its mixed up between early & late votes though. I was unsure of pisskop cause of his brush off to me, but he flipped town. I find Something Smart really weird still. I don't think the GuyFawkes hammer was scummy cause I feel like scum wouldn't of waited that long to jump on a hammer in between the last few votes & the deciding hammer.

I need to look at bugs more.

Need to do some ISOs.

[Fraggernaut]

@Egg

I have a feeling I'm wrong on maybe one or two of my town reads based off the Reubus wagon .

[Fraggernaut]

Would be nice to actually get something out of the lurkers today as well.

[Axl_Rose]

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Mod Notes:

"Sorry"

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  Boonskiies
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  (0)
  Ozgin
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  (1)
  Aristophanes
  — Slandaar
  (0)
  Killthestory
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  Performer
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  Drixx
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  Ilikebugs
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  (3)
  Firebringer
  — Egg, jam, Performer
  
  (2)
  GuyFawkes
  — Firebringer, Drixx,
  (0)
  Something_Smart
  —
  (0)
  Egg
  —
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  Slandaar
  —
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  jam
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  (1)
  iraonavp
  — Fraggernaut
  (0)
  DrippingGoofball
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  KickAssAndGiggle
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  (2)
  Fraggernaut
  — Something_Smart, GuyFawkes
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  SnarkySnowman
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  [Not Voting]
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  Killthestory, KickAssAndGiggle, DrippingGoofball, Ilikebugs, Ozgin, SnarkySnowman, Kop, Boonskiies, iraonavp

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[Firebringer]

Then there's Firebringer. He was off the wagon, but that's after openly admitting he wouldn't play the game on Day 1 so he's a VCA wild card. I still think Creature was the scummiest player in the game and

I really don't like Firebringer's style

so that's where I'd like to lynch today.

Why don't you like how I play? I like being friendly and friends with most players. Then try to read the tone in players posts after I join. I don't like reading the game before I joined. I am too lazy for that.

[Firebringer]

Fire why are you scum so much, in games that you and I are in? Lol

This is exactly what you said in that game Pisskop took over, and guess what?
Way to not learn from past experiences bro.

Holy fallacious reasoning, Batman. The role that someone had in a prior game has absolutely no bearing on what role they were assigned this game.

He says "Why are you scum so much" Yet:
1) I don't think he has ever been in a game with me as scum.
2) said this exact same line in a game I was town.

How is this not fallacious? He is using meta, that is innaccurate and counting it as a legit read.

[Egg]

*shrug*. It's a lot of fluff and you are denying yourself information

[KickAssAndGiggle]

There's likely one scum in {Drixx, Firebringer}. Neither have provided any reason for voting Guy, who is null as null can be apart from the hammer, both fluff posted their way through D1 and both, but Firebringer especially, replaced suspicious slots.

Considering the slow pace of D1...let's get this rolling:

VOTE: Firebringer

Aristophanes replaced a lurker and then contributed nothing but filler also. Need to see a lot more from that slot today.

I understand the misreading by Fraggernaut in his interactions between himself and iraonavp, and see how that could have happened. But Fraggernaut has been overly defensive, especially when talking to Slandaar, who along with Egg and Something_Smart are my strongest town reads. He could be scum.

Boonskies, jam and ilikebugs have contributed little. Could be scum in that trio also. Snarky also could do more but I get a whiff of town there.

Performer, DGB, Killthestory, Ozgin and iraonavp are fence-town for now.

PEdit: yeah, Performer is using the Gambler's Fallacy on Firebringer, but there's enough signs that he could be scum that it's unnecessary to do so.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Fraggernaut

@GuyFawkes

It was a misread of what they originally said. It happens.

YOU SAID YOU MISREAD THE SAME POST IN TWO DIFFERENT AND MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE WAYS, SO YOU ARE CLEARLY LYING.

It's interesting though that you've came out now to try to push this, when you did practically nothing the first day outside of the hammer. Still reading you town, but it seems mighty opportunistic.

This is so fucking terrible.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: GuyFawkes

I can get down with this. Dude's wearing a mask. Seriously; scummy.

Why do you think this?

Is it by any chance because lurking is "essentially a scum claim"?

[iraonavp]

I don't think the GuyFawkes hammer was scummy cause I feel like scum wouldn't of waited that long to jump on a hammer in between the last few votes & the deciding hammer.

Fraggernaut is using WIFOM arguments because he has insider information.

[iraonavp]

Don't use this "<player; player: player -> player town~: scum}" nonsense. There is nothing in the statement that there were scum-aligned players on a wagon.

[Slandaar]

Fire why are you scum so much, in games that you and I are in? Lol

This is exactly what you said in that game Pisskop took over, and guess what?
Way to not learn from past experiences bro.

Holy fallacious reasoning, Batman. The role that someone had in a prior game has absolutely no bearing on what role they were assigned this game.

He didn't suggest it does.

?

[Slandaar]

@Slandaar - Give me one sentence why I should vote Aristophanes

He is scum.

Have you looked at Kop's (Aristo) ISO?

[Slandaar]

Guy is town.

[Something_Smart]

@Egg: I definitely agree with you about Frag being scum near the end of the wagon and if one of my townreads are wrong it would probably be jam. I'm reading jam as newbtown but I have been burned by what I thought was newbtown before. I'll have to reread his ISO at some point.

@Fragger: can you explain your Ira read? What is your read on Drixx?