you think Tar who is a claimed vanila townie (which I can only assume you believe) is a better than lynching anyone else who might actually be scum?pwayne66 wrote:I have answered this and you, again are deliberately misrepresenting my case. So be it.If we lynch him today, someone else might be scum tomorrow...why are you pushing to lower the number of townies?
How is he?vollkan wrote:Tar is a known vanilla.
How am I opportunistic? I read your arguments and presented my own case for you to be scum. It's not like I'm tagging along behind anyone. There isn't an "anti-pwayne" sentiment where I would be like "oooh, this is a chance to get him lynched!". Everything I said was my own opinion and came from reading your posts. I didn't even know CKD had voted you until you just said it in this post I quoted.pwayne66 wrote:I have answered this and you, again are deliberately misrepresenting my case. So be it.If we lynch him today, someone else might be scum tomorrow...why are you pushing to lower the number of townies?
You mentioned that we are on a deadline, make your case. I've made mine and have stated why it yields the best result. I've done something. Your turn.
As far as MoS goes, I can dig CKD vote on me, he is frustrated and I have been mildly antagonistic. MoS's vote is starting to strike me as opportunistic.
Telling people not to claim town is something anyone can think of. It's not like you came up with some amazing original idea that would revolutionize how the town plays the game. The idea you were pushing was not *that* important, and it's a good way for scum to look like they are trying to help the town without hurting themselves overly.pwayne66 wrote:Because our cult leader would spend the first several pages urging everybody to not claim town and then try to kill a claimed townie so that I can gamble by trying to recruit somebody else? Why not let everybody kill kakeng and recruit Tar tonight when I have better odds.That's just idiotic. I think our cult leader just slipped up.
It benefits scum because WE KILL A PROTOWN PLAYER TODAY FOR NO ACTUAL GAIN AGAINST THE SCUM. You are asserting that we gain something over the scum by killing Tar, and that's just not true.pwayne66 wrote:I don't know if this is directed at me or not, but I can see why someone would think so. It's not WIFOM. If something is scummy then it benefits scum. I fail to see how MoS's theory benefits scum. So it can't be scummy.^^ WIFOM
No, you are saying I am cult. Removing a vanilla townie does not help the cult. You do bring up an interesting point about Tar being a bad cult member since everybody will suspect him (I wonder if people really will though...nobody seems that concerned now, so why later) , but for that matter, the cult can still target somebody else without having to kill Tar (in fact keeping him alive would create more angst for the town). But now it seems that we will have a WIFOM situation tomorrow either way...It benefits scum because WE KILL A PROTOWN PLAYER TODAY FOR NO ACTUAL GAIN AGAINST THE SCUM. You are asserting that we gain something over the scum by killing Tar, and that's just not true.
Perhaps... that wasn't my intention and I haven't thought about it that way. Do you think any of the other posters that brought this theory up should feel guilty, or just me? Regardless, we have a WIFOM situation with me dead or alive.All you did today was give the cult a chance to completely WIFOM the town by bringing up this theory. That is not a protown action, you've only helped the scum. Lynching a protown player just to get rid of a WIFOM situation that's entirely your fault is not a good plan.
I don't think I called him a known vanilla.Theo wrote:How is he?Vollkan wrote: Tar is a known vanilla
He could be a power role claiming vanilla.
He could be cult leader claiming vanilla.
He could be scum claiming vanilla.
He is not at this stage a known vanilla as you say or whoever it was say. He just claims to be ditto Kakeng. I think both claims should be taken with a pinch of salt and we should lynch the scummiest person around, the person most likely to be mafia or cult and for me that's Kakeng.
I think that his actions are less likely to be anything other than a vanilla, but he isn't confirmed by any means.
Vanilla is not the safest claim in a game with cult, because it basically flags that by the next day you are very likely going to be of cult alignment. For mafia, that sort of thing would be idiotic. This is not a WIFOM because if a mafia claims vanilla they are basically avoiding claiming that they are scum by claiming that they are going to become scum.
The power role thing is possible, but in this case Tar has voted himself and looks intent on killing himself off. That doesn't strike me as power role behaviour.
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Mini 500 -CultMafia. Why the hell did you claim vanilla?!? *headdesks*
...we now have a sitting duck for the cult.
????oman wrote:I'm in complete agreement with Pwayne. Anyone who thinks we should lynch a claimed Vanillia should DIAF, anyone who is with me in saying that this is not a good wagon and its stupid idea (unvote) gets muh townie brownies.
Pwanye gets them, Ckd does too but I'm more reluctant about him.
A suggestion Oman...lay off whatever brownies you are currently on.Oman wrote: I'm in complete agreement with Pwayne. Anyone who thinks we should lynch a claimed Vanillia should DIAF, anyone who is with me in saying that this is not a good wagon and its stupid idea (unvote) gets muh townie brownies.
Pwanye gets them, Ckd does too but I'm more reluctant about him.
pwayne66 wrote:No, you are saying I am cult.It benefits scum because WE KILL A PROTOWN PLAYER TODAY FOR NO ACTUAL GAIN AGAINST THE SCUM. You are asserting that we gain something over the scum by killing Tar, and that's just not true.
Yes they CAN recruit someone other than Tar. However, this is the situation I am advocating:Removing a vanilla townie does not help the cult. You do bring up an interesting point about Tar being a bad cult member since everybody will suspect him (I wonder if people really will though...nobody seems that concerned now, so why later) , but for that matter, the cult can still target somebody else without having to kill Tar (in fact keeping him alive would create more angst for the town). But now it seems that we will have a WIFOM situation tomorrow either way...
