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[FA_Q2]

Night 1 is over with a peaceful resolution. No one dies. Maybe town's problems are over? Or not...

VoteCount 2.0

With 12 players alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch.

Sayaka Maizono (0):

Almost50 (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Lowell (0):

mhsmith0 (0):

texcat (0):

Garmr (0):

Boonskiies (0):

Goodlordwill (0):

ToastyToast (0):

chilledtea (0):

Expedience (0):

Not Voting (12):

mhsmith0, Lowell, Garmr, ToastyToast, chilledtea, Expedience, Boonskiies, Goodlordwill, texcat, Sakura Hana, Almost50, Sayaka Maizono

The deadline is in

(expired on 2016-04-05 12:00:00)

[Sayaka Maizono]

I'm (mostly) caught up, I made it to around page 18 or so

As of now, I have town reads on MhSmith, Sakura, Almost50, knightmare's slot, Expedience, and maybe Garmr, in roughly that order

Scum is in Lowell, texcat, Boon, and chilled

I had to boot Lowell and chilled out of my town reads because I'm waaay running out of room, but preferably I would prefer to lynch someone who is not him first. More explanation incoming when I read the remaining pages.

[Sayaka Maizono]

(EBWOP: Him = Lowell)

[Sayaka Maizono]

There's a really disgusting mentality going on in this game where people are expected to just "go with the flow of the game" and are criticized when they don't do so. I can list off a bunch of examples of this. Basically everyone re Madonna (in terms of the mentality of "she'll be condemned if Lowell claims a PR" without being open to reevaluation elsewhere, criticizing people for questioning the wagon), Expedience re me (knight being town means Lowell absolutely has to be scum for pushing him? what??), and so forth. I usually attribute to this to scum, but practically everyone in this game is doing it except for like two or three people, so it can't be scum driven.

Sakura's post stating as such, and her subsequent town read on Almost50, is a large part of where my town read on her comes from, btw.

Starting from this game day, I would like if people could kiiinda not just bum rush everything and criticize people for having thoughts opposite to theirs. And I def do not want another quick day. What you all are doing is typical group think and is not in any way beneficial to the game whatsoever. Please try to keep a more open mind about things, I plan on doing so for Lowell now that I've realized my previous view of the game with him as town might not add up, I would love if everyone else could do the same.

Also, do not ever, ever ever give someone a time limit like 12 hours again. Some people (like me, and what would up happening with her) can't get on every 12 hours...

[Sayaka Maizono]

VOTE: texcat
I'd like to recheck some things before consolidating my reads, but I feel pretty sure about this vote. I should be done in a few hours.

[Almost50]

Why texcat over Boon or chilled? (I would've included Lowell, but I wanted the question to be simple so that I could get a simple answer)

[Sayaka Maizono]

Mostly because her jump on to Madonna was outright horrible. I don't have anything as strong for Boon (plus I question if Boon can even be scum with texcat) and chilled/Lowell are mostly POE to be honest.

[chilledtea]

I think Boon is town. But then I thought Madonna was scum.

I need to re-evaluate by re-reading. Texcat is a very difficult slot to read unfortunately.

[chilledtea]

I think expedience is town btw. His aggression towards Madonna seemed like it came from town. Texcat's sheep vote on Madonna where she quoted something Sakura had already pointed out I didn't like.

[chilledtea]

I also didn't really like Garmr's subtly coming in and saying he liked Lowell's lynch, but was okay with Madonna's lynch. He never participated in the lynch.

Also, I am sorry for giving only 12 hours. I have learnt that these games have to be played with way more patience than what I originally anticipated.

[chilledtea]

ALSO MOD :

If knightmare is not playing this game, then replace his name from the VC. Thanks!

OOPS, thought I already did that. Done and thanks

[chilledtea]

I am also fence-scum on goodlordwill. I think mhsmith is probably town. I haven't really changed much of my opinion regarding knight, sayaka, almost, sakura.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok so first things first.

1) Knowing now that Madonna's town, i'm mostly gonna be looking at the other ppl voting that wagon.
2) Day ended within 2-3 days (more or less the way Lowell wanted), I'm interested in seeing what Lowell supposedly manages to get from short days, enough to want to rush Day 1 before.

[Almost50]

@chilled: Either your reads or mine are horrible this game. My top 3 scum candidates are Boonskiies, Lowell & Expedience. I would rather lynch either of the former two.

[chilledtea]

I didn't like lowell much on day 1. He needs to contribute a lot more. I can get a clearer read on him.

All he did was "lynch this guy".

Incidentally Madonna read Lowell as town. So there was no manipulation involved there. Not saying that makes Lowell town, but I will give him a chance. Let him come and put forward his ideas regarding the game.

At the moment my vote would be on either texcat or goodlordwill. Since texcat already has a vote on her, I will join the wagon.

VOTE: texcat

[Lowell]

My thoughts are that madonna was a decent wagon that didn't work out. If we're voting texcat I'm game.

VOTE: texcat

[Sayaka Maizono]

I probably won't be able to finish catching up until tomorrow actually

[texcat]

I think expedience is town btw. His aggression towards Madonna seemed like it came from town. Texcat's sheep vote on Madonna where she quoted something Sakura had already pointed out I didn't like.

This is crap. I pointed out why I was voting Madonna. Madonna had clearly contradicted herself, and I found the quotes to prove it. Why is that scummy? Scummy is jumping on the wagon just because it's a wagon. (See posts below.)

I didn't like lowell much on day 1. He needs to contribute a lot more. I can get a clearer read on him.

All he did was "lynch this guy".

Incidentally Madonna read Lowell as town. So there was no manipulation involved there. Not saying that makes Lowell town, but I will give him a chance. Let him come and put forward his ideas regarding the game.

At the moment my vote would be on either texcat or goodlordwill. Since texcat already has a vote on her, I will join the wagon.

VOTE: texcat

My thoughts are that madonna was a decent wagon that didn't work out. If we're voting texcat I'm game.

VOTE: texcat

VOTE: Lowell

[chilledtea]

I think expedience is town btw. His aggression towards Madonna seemed like it came from town. Texcat's sheep vote on Madonna where she quoted something Sakura had already pointed out I didn't like.

This is crap. I pointed out why I was voting Madonna. Madonna had clearly contradicted herself, and I found the quotes to prove it. Why is that scummy? Scummy is jumping on the wagon just because it's a wagon. (See posts below.)

True but it was pointed out by Sakura before you. That is what I was talking about. Reference : 505

[chilledtea]

EBWOP:

I think expedience is town btw. His aggression towards Madonna seemed like it came from town. Texcat's sheep vote on Madonna where she quoted something Sakura had already pointed out I didn't like.

This is crap. I pointed out why I was voting Madonna. Madonna had clearly contradicted herself, and I found the quotes to prove it. Why is that scummy? Scummy is jumping on the wagon just because it's a wagon. (See posts below.)

True but it was pointed out by Sakura before you. That is what I was talking about. Reference : 505[/quote]

[texcat]

So?

[chilledtea]

Amazingly enough, even though it was a contradiction, Madonna turned out to be a townie.

I don't think she actually believed that votes are always important and similar in value. It doesn't always mean an intention to lynch. I think she tunnelled a bit - she was very suspicious of (Knight?) and probably subconsciously wanted to see his reaction.

[chilledtea]

So?

So it felt like as if you were just trying to give an excuse for a vote. Your vote came way later than Sakura's observation did.

[chilledtea]

Spoiler:

...And wagons on newbs are fun, anyway.
...
so I'm moving to an easier, hopefully more hilarious, target.

Serious vote or joke/reaction test? I'm assuming the latter for now. I dislike playing games with votes but whatever.

This guy needs some votes. Even when I specifically vote him on page whatever this is, he's all "oh, me? are you being serious? Is this just a joke? oh gosh, I don't know."

Stop asking questions: vote mhsmith. I promise it'll get hilarious as we get close to lynch. I can tell he's the type.

What the heck? Stop asking questions and just vote? deadline is in a little less than 2 weeks, why would we rush a lynch when there's still lots of discussion to be had, for instance, the lack of your explanation for anything?

There's always someone who gets needlessly peeved about this. For every "oops quick lynch" I've seen about a dozen "no let's wait no let's wait no let's wait OOPS OUT OF TIME KILL SOMEONE RANDOM QUICK." So how about you address the point I made instead of polishing your mock incredulation act.

What do you think of Sakura, Lowell? You're not weirded out at all by her backing off of knightmare?

Yes, I'm VERY worried about it. There's nothing I like less than when a wagon forms, gets close, and then people just start to weasel themselves out of it without any good reason other than "it's too early" or "I want to keep looking" or whatever. Again, this game shouldn't just be pissing around waiting until deadline and then panic-lynching. sakura is probably scum.

Oh man.

Boon is scum, lowell is prob scum and madonna is prob scum too. Although madonna is a slight read.

Can we just decide on one of these. I would go for boon though.

Sounds pseudo-Lowell.

Yeah this guy wishes. Though in possibly related news, this guy gives me townvibes.

Anyway, smith, sakura, and knight. Game over, let's all go home.

According to this post, Lowel's scumreads are sakura, knight, smith.
Texcat hasn't said anything from 314 till recently after Lowel's vote. (Please correct me if I am wrong)

Lowell what made you change your mind regarding your scum reads? What made texcat suddenly scummy?

Lowell I want an answer to this.

[texcat]

OK. It came when I was on. And yeah, it appears I was here later than Sakura. I think that showing your thoughts and reasons for a vote is a townie thing to do, even if they are a repeat. You don't think my reasons were bad, just that they were the same as Sakura's. I still think that's carp.