Animal Crossing Mafia: Game over

[Shanba]

@Shanba

"Claiming cop as SK is idiotic" - why? I never heard of that. Can you explain?

Because as an SK you're trying to survive. There are two problems: first, it's impossible for you to know other people's alignments, and therefore difficult to claim results. This is gotten round by claiming naivity or paranoia, I suppose, which HH has. Secondly, there's the porblem that claiming cop of any kind immediately makes the scum more likely to kill you. As SK, this is not something you want.

About ac... I don't contest the part where you claim the mafia may be a vanilla type, but I don't understand what you mean with "therefore unlikely mafia scum." I don't get how one follows the other. Pretty sure I must be missing something.

If the mafia is vanilla, then acfan, investigated innocent, cannot be a godfather.

[Tarhalindur]

Guys, last I heard voting was a prerequisite for lynching.

I'd be happy with lynching any of Grek, TS, and Shanba at the moment.

[Primate]

I'll perform one last push for replacements when I get home tonight. Tomorrow night, I'll modkill whichever of the two haven't been replaced.

[Grek]

Shamba's theory about there not being a Godfather doesn't realy sit well with me. I suppose I'll

Unvote, Vote Shanba

[HackerHuck]

Will modkill send us to night or will we also have a lynch?

[Shanba]

Shamba's theory about there not being a Godfather doesn't realy sit well with me. I suppose I'll

Unvote, Vote Shanba

This is just as absurd as Tar's reasoning. What exactly about speculating on whether or not there's a godfather is suspicious? Do you believe my conclusion, or my logic, or both, are wrong? Do you believe that to be suspicious? Why, after being convinced that HackerHuck is scum, have you changed your vote for such a shoddy reason? I am flabbergasted that after 48 odd pages of information that is what you choose to base your vote off.

[Grek]

What exactly about speculating on whether or not there's a godfather is suspicious? Do you believe my conclusion, or my logic, or both, are wrong? Do you believe that to be suspicious?

The conclusion that there is not a godfather. Ruling that out based on role names isn't a very protown thing to do.

Why, after being convinced that HackerHuck is scum, have you changed your vote for such a shoddy reason? I am flabbergasted that after 48 odd pages of information that is what you choose to base your vote off.

I still think HackerHuck is probably scum for reasons I have already posted, but I realize nobody else agrees and he will not be the lynch for today. I also want to make sure we don't have a no-lynch (no-lynches are bad), so I am voting you instead of wasting my vote on Hackerhuck, who isn't going to get lynched.

Will modkill send us to night or will we also have a lynch?

It would be pretty bastardmoddy to have a modkill end the day in this case.

[Tarhalindur]

Screw this. We need to lynch someone (pity he's not in the game, eh?), and Shanba's as good a choice as any, especially since I've been suspicious of Shanba for a while anyways.

Unvote, Vote: Shanba

[Shanba]

Deadline in three days, 2 votes on me. Bleh. I'm finding it very hard to understand why people are voting me. However, best I roleclaim early so we have time to discuss rather than a snap decision.

I'm Sable. I make costumes each night and send them to a player of my choice. Apparently some players may not like them.

n1: cloud targeted Jules
n2, 3: I targeted CDB (If you look at my posts I am wondering at this point wheter I gave CDB a double vote. I made a comment on something being interesting or somesuch. This was also one of the reasons I was suspicious of YB). I reckoned CDB was town, and thus giving him things was a good idea.
n4: my target was determined randomly (as I was away) and hit acfan.

My target's are not notified when I target them, which tells me it's not an inventor type role. I have no idea what it actually does, but I'm leaning towards "nothing" currently.

In addition, I was told that there was a Mabel ingame and that Mabel was pro-town. This information is useless since the death of Kison, though, who was Mabel.

Grek: first off, you don't explain why that is anti-town. The reason is that it's not. I take the evidence and draw a logical conclusion. Note that I don't even rule it out completely. I state that it is unlikely. Certainly, attacking acfan is unproductive at this time.

I refute the idea that I was more likely to be lynched than HH. At the time you switched your vote, there were no votes on me and only Tar had expressed suspicion on me. By contrast, many people had expressed suspicion of HH on previous days.

Tar: I just noticed

Unvote[/b\

I see only two good options here: Shanba, and Grek.

Shanba: I still feel that the case against Shanba is valid - also, note the defensiveness when I started bringing pressure against her.

(As an aside, I am male.)

Stating a case is valid does not make it so. I disputed the points in your case and explained why this is wrong. In return, you state that I am defensive. This is awful, awful logic. Calling someone defensive is the ultimate in catch 22 logic. If someone doesn't respond to your case, you use it as a (imo, valid) point against them. If they do respond, you call it defensive. And that then repeats the cycle: do they respond to allegations of defensiveness and have the other player say "see! Told you he was defensive." or do they just ignore it and have the other player say "aha! You ignored one of my points. Diescumdie!". It's absolutely terrible.

Bleh.

Unvote Vote: Grek

[ckillor]

Shamba's theory about there not being a Godfather doesn't realy sit well with me. I suppose I'll

Unvote, Vote Shanba

as shamba's just roleclaimed, which i have no reason to doubt the truthness of it since i do remember his comment about possibly giving CDB a double vote.
i get the feeling that your post was either lazy scum reason, or you wanted to spark some discussion.

Mod we could use a vote count! please

and i know i asked this a few pages ago, no one answered but,

i was re-reading my role Pm and i have some bells i would maybe feel like using, what items are useless and which are important? i guess i would be fine giving them to lowell too, but doesnt he already have like 89347 bells?

[Grek]

However, best I roleclaim early so we have time to discuss rather than a snap decision.

Perhaps everyone else who hasn't should roleclaim too. It should get the game moving, and we only have 3 days to decide.

I'm Sable. I make costumes each night and send them to a player of my choice. Apparently some players may not like them.

That role sounds protown.

n1: cloud targeted Jules
n2, 3: I targeted CDB (If you look at my posts I am wondering at this point wheter I gave CDB a double vote. I made a comment on something being interesting or somesuch. This was also one of the reasons I was suspicious of YB). I reckoned CDB was town, and thus giving him things was a good idea.
n4: my target was determined randomly (as I was away) and hit acfan.

I belive the roleclaim.

Unvote: Shanba

Grek: first off, you don't explain why that is anti-town. The reason is that it's not. I take the evidence and draw a logical conclusion. Note that I don't even rule it out completely. I state that it is unlikely. Certainly, attacking acfan is unproductive at this time.

Suggesting there isn't a godfather on such shakey grounds as rolenames seems like something a godfather would do in order to hide the fact that there is a godfather. It's certainly not absolute proof, but it was better than nothing with the deadline coming up.

I refute the idea that I was more likely to be lynched than HH. At the time you switched your vote, there were no votes on me and only Tar had expressed suspicion on me. By contrast, many people had expressed suspicion of HH on previous days.

Nobody other than me was voting for him recently. I suspect it is because the people that think he is scum aren't active.[/b]

[Primate]

Votecount tomorrow, as it's 4am now. Yamahako may replace one of the two non-present-ers.

I'll modkill the two/one at deadline.

[Tarhalindur]

Once again, at this point my priority is making sure that we lynch an unconfirmed player.

I believe the Shanba claim barring counterclaim.

Unvote, Vote: Grek

[Grek]

Once again, at this point my priority is making sure that we lynch an unconfirmed player.

I believe the Shanba claim barring counterclaim.

Unvote, Vote: Grek

I can confirm myself. I am Saharah, the camel. Once in the game, I can leave the town on foot(hoof?) and no night actions will work on me because I'm not there. If I choose to do this, I am unable to post the next day.

[Tarhalindur]

Please confirm yourself tonight.

Vote: Toaster Strudel

using the same reasoning used for voting Shanba and Grek.

[Primate]

K. Yamahako replaces Albert B.

This is, however, an entirely new Yamahako, separate from the one who is already dead in this game as Rover, so do not ask him to divulge any details of that role. Anyone (Yamahako or not) breaking this rule will be summarily modkilled without appeal.

Everything else holds firm.

[Yamahako]

I will have a substantial post, and a vote, by the end of today. I don't think anyone wants a no lynch.

[ckillor]

Once again, at this point my priority is making sure that we lynch an unconfirmed player.

I believe the Shanba claim barring counterclaim.

Unvote, Vote: Grek

so must we claim or be lynched?

[Primate]

WHY DID THE ANIMAL CROSS THE DS?

(To lynch

Shanba

) - (Ac1983fan) - 1
(To lynch

Toaster Strudel

- (Tarhilindr, Lowell) - 2
(To lynch

Tarhalindur

) - (Yamahako, Shanba) - 2

9 Alive, 5 to lynch, 5 to lynch at deadline.

[Yamahako]

still working on my post

Unvote

[HackerHuck]

Well, I'm happy to wagon TS. I was keen on her lynch earlier in the game, but a couple of you "spotted something" that made you think she was town.

ckillor - there's no need for you to claim and it's not in your best interest to do so.

Tarhalindur - I don't approve of you calling for Grek to use his night action. That implies that you have some kind of power role, or that you believe he wouldn't fake a restriction that keeps him from posting during the night. I also don't see how his claim even supports any kind of guess at his alignment.

FoS: Tarhalindur
Vote: Toaster Strudel

[Grek]

Tarhalindur - I don't approve of you calling for Grek to use his night action. That implies that you have some kind of power role, or that you believe he wouldn't fake a restriction that keeps him from posting during the night.

If you don't belive that I am realy going to use my power, you can target me tonight. If no results come back, I used my one shot ability as I said. Why are you Fosing Tar because you think he is a power role?

[Yamahako]

Ok done reading. There's a lot of pages of nothing

obvious

happening. My 4 top suspicions were Grek (is apparently confirmable), Shanba (is also apparently confirmable), Hackerhuck (is conveniently

not

confirmable), and TS (unkown).

I'm willing to give Hackerhuck the benefit of the doubt

for now

as the balance of a naive cop fits the scenario, though I feel that admitting your "proven" naievity wasn't a great pro-town move. Keeping it in the dark could have redirected night moves by scum against you leaving Lowell safer :-/

I feel ok with a

Vote TS

right now.

Day one, she has a "slip-up" with the claimed doc. Then the hops from wagon to wagon for the rest of the game. I don't see a considerable amount of unique analytical from her AND there's the thing with the Will. I could potentially see the WIFOM there - however BM willed one scum and one DEAD town role (ie no risk) - there's no way BM could predict the other scum dying that night as well - leaving no reason to not send the last bell to his other scum mate.

I haven't seen the thing everyone else is seeing that is making people not want to vote her, and I'm not asking it be pointed out necessarily - but as I don't see it I'm happy with this vote.

[Toaster Strudel]

Well, I'm happy to wagon TS. I was keen on her lynch earlier in the game, but a couple of you

"spotted something"

that made you think she was town.

That's right. Read my posts, and try to spot it yourself.

@ Yamahako - the above applies to you, too. Don't be lazy.

Meanwhile, I'd be happy with a Tarha lynch.

vote: Tarhalindur

[Yamahako]

Well, I'm happy to wagon TS. I was keen on her lynch earlier in the game, but a couple of you

"spotted something"

that made you think she was town.

That's right. Read my posts, and try to spot it yourself.

@ Yamahako - the above applies to you, too. Don't be lazy.

Re-reading a 46 page game in 1 day, specifically looking for something to "spot" starting on day 2 (requiring a

re

-reread of day 1) and I didn't see it. Don't call me lazy, if you please. Oblivious and dumb perhaps, but not lazy.

If there's some code, invisitext or subliminal claim, I didn't find it. And at this point - if it is as obvious as everyone is saying (and lot's of people have mentioned it - scum would be keen to scour), then perhaps its even more suspicious that you're alive.