(1765) Star Wars: The Force Awakens [D5]

[RadiantCowbells]

I've had too many games where I spend an entire day saying that someone is scum, get nightkilled, the slot never gets looked at again.

[Gorkington]

zzzz.
just like.
im not even trying to get you lynched.
im not even suggesting an alternate lynch, nor would i condone a counterwagon to aero at this point.
but if you seriously think im going to trust anything you, as in you, radiant cowbells, claim in a game of mafia, youre seriously expecting me to ignore a LOT of context in terms of how i view how you play mafia.

[camn]

*nom nom

[Venmar]

Eh Gorkington is probably town, it's what my gut demands of me.

As far as Snowman I really do think he's coasting scum at the moment, his hated claim is still bothering me and we probably should have tested it long time ago.

[Venmar]

@Wolf

Who are you leaning towards lynching, Camn or Aero

[Venmar]

I'm sure Snowman will just blunder quickhammer whoever we put at L-1 btw.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Lonewolf venmar p much conftown imo

Show me how you got to

"p much conftown"

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Venmar is pretty town because of the census ability and his play surrounding that.

I am for reasons already stated by the dead flipped town. I don't know Amenienienasn's meta but he seems to be a more careful player than to say I'm conftown without a solid basis.

this

...
And gork is right, RC

[TheLoneWolf]

Had snowman still not posted anything of substance?

I'm leaning towards Aero

[Gorkington]

and are you aware of these reasons?
because to me it looks like its because of the "he had the same thing in his rolePM as me"

[TheTrollie]

also hold up, was rc fakeclaiming a guilty on aero or what?
am i missing something?

RadiantCowbells' first claim (cop-type):

Aero is not town aligned.

VOTE: Aeronaut

well you're not town so you're either scum or 3p.

RadiantCowbells' final claim (tracker):

Nope, you killed Tails.

No, I'm saying that I tracked you to the dead guy.

And you claimed a non visiting role.

good point

Venmar is pretty town because of the census ability and his play surrounding that.

I am for reasons already stated by the dead flipped town. I don't know Amenienienasn's meta but he seems to be a more careful player than to say I'm conftown without a solid basis.

this is really not good "I'm town for reasons stated by the dead" is not a town way to argue you are town.

I think that it is much more likely Trollie is misinformed.
As I have mentioned, I think this is a complicated setup, and I don't think that follow-the-cop is the way to play it.
Part of the reason I keep pointing out the possibility of simple misinformation is to avoid a reflexive Trollie lynch after my flip.

These points interest me.

However, there is a strong reliance of there being a scum-miss-information power role.

Would xRECKONERx weaken our cop even more (even though we are already up against 5 scum) with an added miss-information PR? The mod has already confirmed there is no bastard element.

May I remind you all that we already had a MILLER flip - MILLER + Cop investigates guilty, cop's ID gets reported to scum faction is a pretty damn weak investigative cohort in the game.

[TheTrollie]

UNVOTE: camn

I want to hear more about TheTrollie's character.
Character claim please.

I've really liked Key but this is just blatent fishing.

I've already told you shitloads more than I wanted to about my role.

[SnarkySnowman]

Eh Gorkington is probably town, it's what my gut demands of me.

As far as Snowman I really do think he's coasting scum at the moment, his hated claim is still bothering me and we probably should have tested it long time ago.

This is scum right here.

Though I agree gork is very likely town.

[Keyser Söze]

May I remind you all that we already had a MILLER flip - MILLER + Cop investigates guilty, cop's ID gets reported to scum faction is a

pretty damn weak investigative cohort in the game

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Good point - I forgot Tails flipped

Miller

Doctor.

I want to hear more about TheTrollie's character.
Character claim please.

I've really liked Key but this is just blatent fishing.

I've already told you shitloads more than I wanted to about my role.

How can I be "fishing" if you've 'already told us shitloads' I am not role-fishing - I was interested in your character (flavour). A simple name will do.

[camn]

Miller = Another reason not to just play follow-the-cop.
Again, this setup is not straightforward.
But Aero is scum on play, as well as on results...so obv

FAIR WARNING

: I am going V\LA starting this weekend for the week. A real life vacation. With dodgy cell coverage even. I will try and keep up...
But I will return. If you guys are gonna get worked up into a camn-murdering frenzy while I'm gone....tell me now so I can straighten you out. Otherwise, I'll be back to full access on the 15th.

[Venmar]

This is scum right here.

Though I agree gork is very likely town.

LMAOOOOO

[TheLoneWolf]

Wow Snarky your team must be very disappointed in you

[TheLoneWolf]

Aero is scum on play...?

I mean he claimed SK

This is the sort of over justification that you're looking for in scum, Gork

[TheLoneWolf]

Miller = Another reason not to just play follow-the-cop.
Again, this setup is not straightforward.
But Aero is scum on play, as well as on results...so obv

FAIR WARNING

: I am going V\LA starting this weekend for the week. A real life vacation. With dodgy cell coverage even. I will try and keep up...
But I will return. If you guys are gonna get worked up into a camn-murdering frenzy while I'm gone....tell me now so I can straighten you out. Otherwise, I'll be back to full access on the 15th.

Post I was referring to

[TheLoneWolf]

and are you aware of these reasons?
because to me it looks like its because of the "he had the same thing in his rolePM as me"

We have a lot of other scum to lynch. Don't worry you won't be NKd BC I'm not scim and we can go further with this conversation some other day

[Aeronaut]

Miller = Another reason not to just play follow-the-cop.
Again, this setup is not straightforward.
But Aero is scum on play, as well as on results...so obv

FAIR WARNING

: I am going V\LA starting this weekend for the week. A real life vacation. With dodgy cell coverage even. I will try and keep up...
But I will return. If you guys are gonna get worked up into a camn-murdering frenzy while I'm gone....tell me now so I can straighten you out. Otherwise, I'll be back to full access on the 15th.

Yea... of course I'm scum on play. I claimed scum.

Anyone trying to say "We shouldn't lynch this SK because he played like he was scum all game" should take a second to look at the obliviously silly sentence they just said.

[camn]

No- I am saying we shouldnt just follow-the-cop. OR follow-the-tracker.
Cowbells is just as likely to have been twerked as anyone... except then he broke you.

That is why, given the 2 "guilties" in play.. I think the OBJECTIVE lynch is you. Not because of the track.. but because of the fallout, obv.

[Gorkington]

i mean, the thought that you might actually be mafia fakeclaiming sk is bothering me a little aero q.q i remember pitching that to you and ozgin in 180 as an idea i was considering trying.

[Aeronaut]

And I said "please don't do that because TSO will literally disassemble your molecules"

[TheTrollie]

Really wanted to re-read today and the intention still is to do so. but in doing that I realized something STINKS about the RC/AERO interaction today.
Side Note: before I get into this, I just want to say that the next thing on my list is looking at Camn, Aero, and RC interactions on Day 1 because oddly, THEY ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT ONE ANOTHER ALL THE TIME on Day 1

Ok, so to this terrible RC claim:

Spoiler: After figuring out what Amman’s flip means, RC Asks Aero to claim

Aeronaut claims.

Spoiler: But then he says, nvm, it doesn’t matter what Aero claims because Aero must be either scum or 3p, and then places a vote

actually fuck it 3p are bad anyway.

Aero is not town aligned.

VOTE: Aeronaut

Spoiler: his claim was that he got a result that said that Aero was not town - who cares about the claim, he needs to be lynched anyway in this case

well you're not town so you're either scum or 3p.

Spoiler: Aero points out that the first post, demanding a claim from Aero prior to saying any results, doesn’t really make sense if RC has a guilty result

VOTE: RCB) Why ask me to claim if you really had a guilty on me in the first place? Piss off.

Like, that makes zero sense. You wouldn't need a claim because you would know it already.

There are 5 (5) scum and apparently only 1 (1) scum faction.

I'm in no rush to lynch 3ps that can likely win with town.

If this is your reaction though, bye.

that looks like main faction scum rxn anyway.

That literally answers zero parts of my question.

Why ask for my claim if you're trying to tell us you knew it anyway? That doesn't help shit and you know it.

I don't know your claim

... but why would it matter to town-you ?

Because you might be third party and not scum!

But this heavily implies that you're not.

Spoiler: Then Aero claims Beloved Princess, and RC says, “you might want to change that”

Last chance to not claim beloved princess.

Last chance to change anything about your claim before I hardclaim Aero.

Spoiler: RC says the reason he’s asking Aero to change his claim is because he’s not a cop but that his result confirms Aero is scum given the Beloved Princess claim

Alright, for clarity's sake, I'm not a cop.
However: I DO have a guilty that his claim has confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt.
So, he's still scum.

That I wasn't a cop?

Then you shouldn't have claimed something that confirms yourself as scum.

Spoiler: reason is he tracked Aero to Tails

No, I'm saying that I tracked you to the dead guy.

And you claimed a non visiting role.

Specifically to Tailz.

Spoiler: people, including aero, ask RC why he isn’t even considering my result/voting camn, his response is that he has a confirmed guilty

I have a confirmed guilty and I'm refusing to look at whether or not other people might be scum.

EGAD THE HUMANITY.

Spoiler: aero caves in saying he’s SK, but also that he killed Amihan and not tails (though that comes pretty late after the SK claim for someone saying they want to be pro-town by admitting 3p

Fine. Fuck it. I need to study desperately, and this is really impeding on that.

I claim serial killer.

And to be honest, I literally didn't visit Tails last night. I killed Amihan because he was seriously town and seriously onto me. So RC is a lying fuck about that. And that's why I've been pushing that.

BUT HERE’S THE THING. If RC is a tracker who tracked Aero to Tails, and knew Aero was scum after Aero claimed Beloved Princess

Spoiler: then why did he go at daybreak from asking Aero to claim (consistent with his final claim) immediately to saying “nvm It doesn’t matter, I know Aero is either Mafia or 3p” (Inconsistent with the final claim that he knows aero is scum only because he claimed a non-visitor role)

Aeronaut claims.

actually fuck it 3p are bad anyway.

Aero is not town aligned.

VOTE: Aeronaut

well you're not town so you're either scum or 3p.

ok so here we go:

Spoiler: RC pushes a Trollie-lyncher theory HARD, with seemingly weird assumptions about game setup

No. Fuck off venmar.

We are lynching Aeronaut today; no questions.

Now fuck you too buddy, how about you give me a reason to believe you before you act like I should take you for granted

Yes.

I have confscum result we Lynch that before sk

not sure I like the whole leia pre-claim thing, though. :/

What don't you like about it?
The fact that I am Leia from post #1, but Aeronaut just thought it up a second ago?

The fact that aero is 3pm and had the Leigh claim
The fact that camn crumbled in such a redic convoluted way

Let me let u in on a little secret: no one hides a role name in their first post unless they are worried about having to claim later

Camn is 100% scum. 100% snoke or ren. I'd like either of those gone before night phase

I think this is lyncher.

Actually pretty sure Trollie is lyncher at this point.

Just trying to figure out who would be lyncher on Princess Leia.

(flavour wise)

I feel like it would make more sense if it was on Han Solo, and Kylo Wren were the lyncher.

And he visited Tails.
Stop with your awful speculation.
Trollie's guilty is shady as fuck. His role makes literally no sense. Like, flavour cop friendly neighbour whaaat?
And he's been going absolutely batshit crazy trying to get the lynch done today. He obsessed over Camn yesterday too, if you look back.
5 anti town makes 1 lyncher 1 SK 1 traitor 2 main faction scum make a ton of sense.

Now stahp.

Trollie has claimed some bizarre conglomerate of crazy roles. Inconsistent but entirely damning guilty. check.
Trollie is going batshit crazy trying to push the lynch on her today. check.
Trollie has only focused on her slot for pretty much the entire game. check.

If Camn were my parter and guiltied I would bus her. What's the point in me picking a fight with some jacked up self confirmable super cop?
She may be scum perhaps, but Aero just said that scum don't have safe claims.
I think Trollie is way sketchier than Camn is.

my reasoning is that youd not be a tracker if you were scum.
ive made that really clear.
now get off your high horse without even trying to understand what ive been saying.

THEN why wouldn't I know who WE killed and just name the OTHER person?

So here is my theory:
RC is a Lyncher on Aero. The claim literally doesn’t make sense - it is pieced together and wrangled to fit the back and forth.

Camn is confirmed First Order aligned (Not sure if I shared that yet, didn’t think it was as important as my knowledge of the actual character role until now). It makes sense that Amihan was First Order as well due to flavor.

Spoiler: RC only claimed a guilty on Aero after he clarified last nights results

Can you walk me through what Amihan's flip means?

Is that a faction, is he a survivor, what?

So he's a [faction=survival] [role=traitor]?

Interesting that RC then claims he tracked Aero to Tails. I think this is a shot in the dark, figuring that scum might know their Traitor-buddy and figuring that scum Aero would not kill his own faction. Why? not sure, could be that RC knows Aero’s flavor and assumes he has a kill ability or something. It seems like most of our roles include some information about game set-up.

my proposal

Is to lynch RC today. High chance he is either 3p Lyncher or scum due to his play today. He has not been town because he is giving zero credence to my claim, only pushing a lynch on Aero. He also tries to get people off of a camn wagon for really like no reason at all, is uninterested in talking about the pros and cons of lynching SK v. confirmed powerful scum.

Tonight, Aeronaut shoots camn.

If Camn and/or buddies or Aero kill me, thats fine we lynch camn tomorrow, and DO NOT listen to wifom bullshit because my cop ability is already very weak given the existence of a miller and the fact that my role and results dictate that I targeted Snoke or Ren, and that Snoke & Ren now know my role because of that, which is a very weak investigative role and it wasn’t bus-driven or some stupid shit. Plus, I just realized that my results actually exclude the possibility of a bus driver because I was told that I targeted either snoke or Ren, otherwise they wouldn't have been told my role, which I know they were told. (to clarify, if i targeted R2D2, for example, and was bus driven to Snoke, my role dictates explicitly that R2D2 would be told my role, but Camn is claiming that he got no information about my role which means he is not town which got bussed to scum)

If Camn is dead by morning, we lynch Aero tomorrow, if camn is not dead by morning, Aero has to explain or be strung up tomorrow morning.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells
That is my plan.

[camn]

Wat?
That's crazy. RC is town.