Edion0 (2) - Bird1111, mneme
Curiouskarmadog (1) - Jennar
Jennar (1) - Curiouskarmadog
Not voting - Edion0, Joost, Flyinghawk, ckillor
ckillor has been prodded
joost wrote:Well your head bumping is pretty interesting. I do however have a question for Jennar:
Where exactly did you say or imply that you thought Flyinghawk was scummy? I've reread your posts and I can't detect where this was implied. In fact it seems like you said Flyinghawk wasn't scummy because he gave a reason for his vote. And does that mean you think CKD and Flyinghawk are scumbuddies?
First line Joost.Jennar wrote:It does but your attitude is more suspicious. Here you are trying to divert attention away from you. If you are town you need to put down the shovel as you look more and more like scum each passing second. Why are you so defensive?CKD wrote: I removed my vote and placed a vote on mneme to get conversation started (and because I felt her play was strange) Also I note that you have not said anything about flyinghawk, who placed a second vote on mneme. That didn’t look scummy or eager for a quick lynch?…interesting.
I dont lke flyinghawk's play. He seems to be mirroring everyone's vote and reasoning...and the fact you are lying for him, backtracking in regards to him, and defending him makes me feel he could be your scum buddy..Jennar wrote:And yet you still fail to address the main points of my comments. You fail to point out anything having to do with you trying to redirect to flyinghawk. In fact you deliberately avoid the comment.curiouskarmadog wrote: (laughing). Oh, the “why are you so defensive” maneuver. I call you out for your hypocritical vote, I aggressively attack the obvious flaws in your case, and ask you questions…then you label that has “defensive”. I think you have mistaken offensive as defensive.
I didnt avoid any comment, I was simply pointing out that it appears you are buddying up with flyinghawk. In my view (and I am sure other's) flyhawk's actions (which I will get to later) were very scummy, yetyouseemed to overlook this. I dont know how to state this any other way.
Hey look comments out of context. Lets look at what Mneme said.curiouskarmadog wrote:
this looks like a lame excuse "to place a vote for no damn reason"...are you still in the random stage? or was this a serious vote?
Jesus, this is why I think you are simply not understanding my posts. I dont know if it is deliberate or not. This was not out of context. Please go back and reread my post, I posted my reason for the vote on mneme besides flyinghawk's reason to prove a point (a comparsion). You say I am scummy because I didnt provide much reason for my (page 5) vote, however, you seem to over look the fact that neither did flyinghawk. You seem to be defending flyhawk's post by saying he provided more logic and content...but he actually did not...THAT was my point you seem to be missing...repeatedly.
Now you voted for him because you felt it was a lame excuse but then go to ask him if he is still in the random stage or if it is a serious vote. He gave reasoning for his vote against Bird and you wonder if he is just random voting? You are fishing for excuses to go after people. You have now jumped to me because I presented myself as a target.Mneme wrote: joost: Play your own game.
Personally? I'm happy to punish people who treat the random stage as a joke.
unvote
vote: bird1111
Unvoting your random just because the game seems to be stalling seems to be some wierd mutation of "unvote for no damn reason".
Morover, the entire attidude -- that there's some hard and fast stage between "random" and "exiting the random stage" when random votes are discounted is both artificial and seems to miss the point of random voting in the first place.
interesting, how exactly did you present yourself as a "target"..usually people who are "targets" have done something scummy, yet you say you havent done anything, I am confused. I have already explained, that there was little reason (I felt the play was strange) behind the vote..it was called pressure...I was called starting conversation..Mneme had one vote on her and you declare that I want to lynch her...can you see how you might be over reacting? Also you avoided another question, you yourself thought mneme was acting scummy, how come it is ok for you to say she is acting scummy, but not for me?..please answer the question this time.He gave reasoning for his vote. From what I see he finds the reasoning behind Mneme's vote to be odd.flyinghawk’s reason:
He provided more logic? How?Flyinghawk wrote: Why did you vote Bird but not Ckillo, who did the same exact option right above Bird's post? This seems very very odd to me.
Vote:Mneme
YOU ARE NOT READING MY POSTS...I HAVE STATED SEVERAL TIMES THAT I FELT MNEME'S PLAY WAS STRANGE, how was this different?
See this is providing logic as to why he felt it was odd. You don't even go that far. In your typical fashion for the last few pages you don't actually answer points made against you but instead just redirect and sk more questions.
I have answered every "question" you have asked, you have not.
You thing I have a logical fallacy? You are a walking talking debate fallacy. First non-sequitor arguments against Mneme and not Begging the question arguments against me.And your stated reason for leaving your random vote on me was “backed by logic instead of flimsy conjecture.”
Again more logic? Does anyone else see what I am seeing here?Jennar wrote:You are right Karma, from now on everyone voting is scum looking for a daytime lynch. I at least have something to base my suspicions of a lynch on. Others can choose to believe me or not, thats their choice.
-J
I actually have no clue what you said here, can someone translate?
I stated the point of weakeness in your logic then and now and all you can do is fire back with rhetoric on how far into the game we are. You now find me scummy because I came at you for it. And I now see more then ever that my vote should sit right where it is. You are by far acting more scummy then anyone here.You didn’t call me out on anything, there was little reason for my vote…we were at page 5, there is little reason for every vote on the board. I find you scummy, because you are trying to push a crap logic case and you are having problems admitting when you are wrong.
What? I was explaining why there was little reason to the vote. BECAUSE IT WAS PAGE 5. I dont understand why you dont understand this. Go back to page 5, and see if anyone had ANY strong reasons for a vote. please quote it for me.
You asked questions of Mneme that could be answered if you actually read the post. And as I stated before no one was following the votes on your previous target. you went after someone new to try shift attention to them. And it worked with flyinghawk doing the same. You are very gun-ho for a lynch.
SO let me get this straight. I remove my vote from someone who has two votes on them to someone who has none, because of a mneme’s odd play. In the process I ask her questions to get conversation started.
My previous target? You are insane. My previous target was a random vote to get conversation started. You are again misrepresenting me. Do you even know who my "previous target" was? This is why I do not think you are even reading this game. because if you were, you would not make ridiculous statements likes this. Every point you have is either crap logic, hypocritical, and just plain wrong. I encourage everyone to check out my "previous target" ON PAGE 1. Joost, post 15 (for your reference).
He if you actually read my post instead of just picking out the parts you like then you might have actually caught the answer to this. I do feel flyinghawk was scummy but not as scummy covered as you.This is evidence to you, that I am more eager for a lynch?? Quit dodging the questions, do you feel flyinghawk is scummy? What are your thoughts on mneme, now?
This is a straight out lie. AGAIN, for those reading, this is a lie. the post before my post(80) was post 77, no where in that post does she say Flyhawk is scummy. This is a backtrack upon a lie. PLEASE show me in post 77 where you said anything close to "flyinghawk is scummy"? You actually do the opposite..you defend him. You say his vote made since and he was logical. Again lies and misrepresenting...
And hey where are your thoughts on flyinghawk, mneme and Edion? You bob and weave through everything without actually bringing anything new to the table which is a flat out scum tell.-Jennar
I don't quite understand where you are coming from, saying I mirror votes. My first vote was a random vote, mirroring no one. I unvoted that random vote pretty early on, earlier than most other people undid their random votes, which isn't mirroring either. I voted Mneme for a scumtell that i now realize was probably worth a FOS instead of a vote. When I realized his action wasn't really all that scummy, I unvoted.curiouskarmadog wrote:I dont lke flyinghawk's play. He seems to be mirroring everyone's vote and reasoning...and the fact you are lying for him, backtracking in regards to him, and defending him makes me feel he could be your scum buddy..
soFoS flyinghawk, for your mirror votes, but mostly due to assocaition
I dont have much read from anyone else. Since the random vote stage ending the only real conversation has been between you and I.
But I would love everyone to jump in
curiouskarmadog wrote::snip:
Fair enough.He did it first. Following can be a scumtell, but so is doing something scummy first
(actually, he didn't do it first, but I'd already let similar sentiment pass on previous pages, since I didn't notice and was talking about other stuff; only really noticed that on a re-read too).
How is taking the wait and see approach helpful to town at all?i guess i'll just sit here and watch for a few more days until i see something truly scummy to come by and hope not to get labeled as wagoning when i put my vote on, since agreeing with someone is now a dead-giveaway that you're scum.
How do CKD's arguments against Flyinghawk apply to me?I do find CKD's accusations of Flyinghawk to be a bit shakey. I'm wondering if maybe he's confusing FH and Bird11111, both being birds and all.
well, I am in a ton of games right now (metagaming will help you find those)..bird1111 wrote:ckd, Jennar, do either of you have any finnished mafia games on here? I'd like to see those so I can compare your play this game to play in other games when I get around to looking thourghly at your argument.
They don't really, but I did a quick reread and it seemed to me that if you combine your actions with Flyinghawk's it might be possible to see systematic bandwagoning. Either player seperate don't seem scummy to me. It was just a suggestion, nothing more.Bird11!1 wrote:How do CKD's arguments against Flyinghawk apply to me?
Actually I have a problem with many of her points, but I think it all really boils down to fact that I feel she is repeatedly pushing a weak/fraudulent, which makes me wonder her motivation.
At this point cumulatively, we have had remarks that CKD and Bird 1111 and I are all copying each others votes. I think we have to realize that at this point, it ACTUALLY doesn't look like any of us copy each other intentionally(at least I have not meant to, and from Bird1111's reaction, neither did he) And that this way of thinking (the mafia's buddy will copying the other mafia's vote) is a really shaky way of looking for a scumtell, barring somethign really obvious.joost wrote:They don't really, but I did a quick reread and it seemed to me that if you combine your actions with Flyinghawk's it might be possible to see systematic bandwagoning. Either player seperate don't seem scummy to me. It was just a suggestion, nothing more.Bird11!1 wrote:How do CKD's arguments against Flyinghawk apply to me?