originality, post 697 wrote:I could go on, but it would be redundant because everything is basically the same, you can pick out any of her posts and notice the pattern of not saying anything new but just feeding back what everyone has already said.
Here's what I don't like about this post.
While Lucienne has been less active that one might like, and hasn't really put forward new arguments, what she HAS done is responded to the arguments of others.
She hasn't been a yes-person throughout the game. Some arguments, she has accepted. Others, she has challenged. While I certainly agree that advancing independent opinions is an important part of scumhunting, acting as an objective sounding board for the arguments of others is also part of the game.
The thing I'm really wondering about, though, is why you've called out Lucienne in particular. You mention in post 698 that Oman has also exhibited this behavior. What about Elias? Hasn't he been doing just about the exact same thing as Lucienne throughout the game?
What I'm getting at is that I find your single-minded focus on Lucienne to be specious. Given the criteria you are using to cast your vote, it seems that you should be talking a lot more about the other players that meet those criteria. This post feels a lot like the post-mortem you gave on your decision to kill CarrotCake all over again. I'm not telling you NOT to suspect people for the reasons you've given, but it would be nice to see you look at EVERYONE in the game through the same filter at once.
On an unrelated note, originality: you haven't posted your own top-4 list yet. Could you do that soon? I think you're the only active player that hasn't.
Now then: Oman. Reading your recent exchange with vollkan has made for a confusing afternoon.
Post 691: You post your top-4 list.
Post 707: You switch out AlyG for Lucienne, based on originality's post, still claiming that he is suspicious.
Post 717: "AlyG is by far not #1 material, and if [Orig] killed her with me having him at 4 and you guys leaving him off, I'd be into him (thats not a town play). No Kill should be #1 as far as I see. #2 should be dybeck, or if you are convinced he's innocent either Elias or lucienne, I'm really not sure wether cronic lurking or chronic lurking +1 scumtell in an effort to 'help' the town (might not be helping ) is worse." (edited to include later correction)
Post 722: "I'm not goign to tell people to put dybeck as #2 if they think he's town. Its their choice."
Post 724: "Actually the context of this discussion was other people's lists"
I'm having a hard time staying with you, so let me tell you how this reads:
You start by suspecting that AlyG may be scum. All well and good. It's a possible scenario, although I don't buy it myself at this point.
You are then swayed by originality's arguments -- IMHO, as posted above, unconvincing ones -- that Lucienne is scummier than AlyG, and you amend your list. This is continuing the pattern that made me suspect you in the first place: you waffle like an IHOP waitress on Sunday morning. I don't think there's anything wrong with re-reading and changing your mind, but when you do it as often as you have in this game, it reeks of opportunism.
I have no idea of what to make of posts 717, 722, and 724. You originally seemed to be talking about your own list. In 722 you state that you are not trying to shape people's lists. Then in 724, you indicate that 717 reflects how you think the overall consensus should play out.
It's kind of a mess. I still get the sense that you're flying by the seat of your pants here, switching tacks based on which way the prevailing opinion seems to be blowing. Which is what bought you my vote in the first place.
In any case, it sounds like we're all saying basically the same thing WRT what we expect Originality to do this evening:
(1) Look at the top-4 lists posted by all of the players (which should each include 4 different options)
(2) Count the # of times each player's name, or "No Kill", appears on all lists COMBINED
(3) Look at ONLY the top four choices coming out of (2). In other words, if "No Kill" gets the most votes, it's the #1 choice on the list. The players with the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th most votes would also be added to the list. ALL OTHER PLAYERS ARE DISCARDED FROM CONSIDERATION.
(4) At night, make a choice of any of the targetting actions from the list put together by (3).
If he agrees to follow this process, I think we'll be in good shape.