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marqui get your vote back onthere right now you said you had reasons you back it up

hippy your being fliped next

I'm literally conf town

tell me more how you are cus i dont see it one bit

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Drawings are optional when my life is a mess!
Elbirn replaces in for Aeronaut like a champ!

*hugs* to Cheet, if you every need to vent to someone you can vent to me anytime

Also, yay Elbirn!!

HIIIII

~SW

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OK, I'd like to apologize for my relative inactivity. I'm going through a real apathetic phase rn in games and I'm trying to snap myself out of it. RL factors a lot into it as well. I kind of like Elbirns catch up so far but I liked Aero when he was playing so I'm not too concerned about that slot atm. I also agree with the Davsto townread. I thought his reaction to frogger's replace seemed genuine. But more importantly than that, his BBT interactions make no sense as a scumbuddy at all. I also feel that RC's interactions were weird with BBT if they were buddies so I'm gonna lean town with reservations as I wouldn't put it past RC to try something like that as scum. That said, he doesn't look scummy to me. I'm still gonna go back to pisskop's interactions with us to lean town on him. He seemed genuinely frustrated in a way that's hard to fake. Marquis is def town for BBT push and overall play. Leaning town on Ari for replacing obvtown frogger. Spiffeh I'm ever so slightly leaning town on but is my weakest townread.

So to be sorted:

-Awesome-hasn't done shit until Tammy started posting and she's just been passive aggressive and annoying, I did have one scumgame with her and she did lurk like crazy-I'd be good with a color flip here or a lynch as she hasn't done shit this day phase either.

-West9-no idea whatsoever-I'd color flip this in a heartbeat

-lilith-would love a color flip, I have no idea

-acryon-I could go either way, a color flip would help but I'd rather flip others before him

-Mario-have a bad town vibe but would love a color flip as this isn't far off from his scum play either

-DGB-scum-want to lynch, would color flip as well

-hiplop-color flip would be good here as well, especially considering ika's mixed feelings on him

~SW

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BBT ISO looks like this:

-immediately concentrates on and votes us for color flip-stays with that vote most of game, calls Spiffeh careless town for defending a wagon early

Townreads frogger, doesn't understand Davsto wagon

Mentions could color flip pisskop but mostly wants us flipped-not even sure why scum would push for this unless he wants us dead, in his last scum game he killed the myself/Titus hydra N1-remember history mafia Spiffeh?

Says awesome and Aero could be town, says Acryon and lilith could be scum

Votes Davsto

Says he's not a fan of west and DGB and acryon but this is so soft that any of these can be scum with him easy

Strongly townreads pisskop to the point he says not lynching him, not sure buddies would do this, calls Spiffeh and frogger town as fuck

Still doesn't like DGB, likes Marquis, null on hiplop-due to Skybird, goes to scumread on West and townread on Acryon

Says RC could be scum at the end of it all

I'm not sure overall his ISO tells us much except it makes me townread Davsto more and possibly RC as well.

I also think him nullreading hiplop makes me want to flip hiplop.

~SW

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Our vote is on DGB for color flip and I'm fine leaving it there. I'd happily move it to hiplop, awesome, mario, West, or lilith. I am kind of leaning town slightly on acryon from the unsorted pile enough not to need one on him

It sucks I have so many people I want to color flip. Those people need to do more.

~SW

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Sure, why not?

VOTE: mario

~SW

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Hi Elbirn, I've been awfully apathetic this game. Sorry!!

What do you think about Mario, DGB, and awesome?

Who's your top pick for color flip and lynch today?

Personally-I want to color flip mario and lynch DGB or the other way around.

Have you ever played with DGB and what do you think of her play?

RC's a he just an FYI.

~SW

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Yeah, The first time I played with Mario scum, he was very lurky.

The other game, he was active but kind of all over the place and it was hard to figure out his read progression on anything.

I kind of get that vibe here where he pops in every once in awhile but doesn't have much to say, but mostly just kind of meh.

I don't really see any serious scumhunting and just by PoE I can at put him in the possible scum category.

~SW

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Yeah, Lillith looks better. Like I said, I'm willing to slightly move acryon into town and West looks a little better too.

So that leaves my would color flip or lynch with awesome for lurking and not doing shit-a major scumtell of Tammy's, DGB-for doing nothing and being unreadable (anyone having experience with her can help me), and Mario who's been inactive and posting crap that doesn't have much game relevance and is not trying to figure things out or scumhunt.

Spiffeh concerns me slightly for inactivity and BBT interactions but not enough to push for a color flip there. hiplop also concerns me cuz I don't like when I can't read people and ika has gone back and forth on him and has played with him a lot more.

So that's where I'm at. We color flip Mario and lynch DGB if he flips blue. It's basically PoE plus play at this point.

~SW

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im kinda tempted to start an awsome waogn for flip.....

would anyone be intrested in that?

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i could do spiffeh too

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like im kinda at the point where i want to just lynch everyone and be done with it

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Hmm, this weird hivemind makes me nervous.

whos hiveminding?

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Do I really have to bitch you guys out

I don't feel like it

that would do nothing to me and prob make me more inclinded to vote you

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oh and if we get a blue flip we lynch awsome they need to go and if they are town they clearly are doing jack shit

pedit: not really? i mena i dont see anythign super town out of you yet or would you like to case yoruself

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Hmm, this weird hivemind makes me nervous.

whos hiveminding?

Spiff had no traction and then Davesto mentions him after I ask him a question and immediately pisskop, you, and now elbirn jump on board. Not to mention a flip on Spiff seems terrible.

well i mean we arent getting anything done at this point and nobody seems to be trying anymore to get the DGB/awsome/MM stuff sorted out

i mena i primarly want lynches in there for real flips but color im jsut kinda whatever at it

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pisskop if hes blue would you be with us on lynch DGB/awsome in second half?

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I want to lynch or flip MM4 today.

I'd actually somewhat prefer to colour flip someone else and lynch him, but I'm good either way.

Let me know what's up.

im up for color on him but i want full lynches on the others if we dont color them

like my mind is getting more set on theses 3 to be sorted

pedti: isnt that what we did with tso? we colroed him cus we knew hes strogn either way?

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the edit was at acryon but to further my poitn, how am i suppose to sort them when they are not here to ebgin with?

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spiffeh if hes blue will you be willing to help us lynch dgb/awsome next?

like im gonna repeat this poit over and over to ppl so we cant keep having this same "wait till deadline" crap

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why is she town

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the edit was at acryon but to further my poitn, how am i suppose to sort them when they are not here to ebgin with?

TSO was different because he hadn't done anything yet. We didn't know what he was going to bring this game, especially given his statements about activity restrictions IIRC, so I disagree that color-flipping him yesterday and color-flipping Spiff today would be for simialr reasoning.

I agree you can't sort people that aren't here, but you stated that the issue was people not trying, which I challenged you on. If the issue is that they aren't here, then that's more legitimate, but that's not what you said.

yet what i say vs what could be happening are two diffrent things......

i mean do you see DGB or awsome hydra around at all? if so show me where they are.

taking what i say to its roots does nothign for me cus i am just impuse sayer

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and again if what im saying does not reflect on what i can do then *shrugs*

you should get what i mean though

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Let's color flip mario

~SW

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It just pings me when it appears like people are trying to misrepresent the situation, which it looked like maybe you were trying to.

*shrugs*

wasnt my intention to misrepresent it

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VOTE: awsome

o see them posting elsewhere color flip this

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No the Mario color flip is final

then we are real flipping awsome if thats blue?

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VOTE: Mario

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Just checking in to say I want to color flip mario still.

That is all.

~SW

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I realize I'm in a shit mood cuz of going to a funeral today, but FFS. Why are we doing nothing and joke voting people?

I would much prefer a mario color flip but I don't even give a rip at this point. Just fucking flip someone please so we can progress the game?

VOTE: West9

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^^^^^^^
SW

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VOTE: Spiffeh

ika and I had a phone call about this and we think he's scum

He neighborized us and has not talked to us at all in the hood, he is not sharing reads or showing any interest in the game at all. If you notice, his BBT interactions are awful and the idea of being color flipped upsets him. He isn't doing anything in this game either. We strongly feel he needs to be flipped ASAP.

~SW

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VOTE: West9

We need to consolidate people. Deadline is approaching.

~SW

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I don't like how Marquis has led us on two bad colorflips and tried to divert us off Mario repeatedly. Mario dies today. Period.

VOTE: Mario

~SW

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Acryon could be scum trying to discredit us with our Spiffeh and Mario push.

~SW

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Mario has had a very erratic game similar to his scum meta.

DGB is a good flip also-color or lynch.

~SW

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Mario can do both as scum. He can lurk like hell and he can post very irratically. Do not put words in my mouth. Where did I say inactive? Acryon, get to the point. Your constant attempts to discredit our mario push are pissing me off. Give me your read on mario and us as well.

~SW

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inactive=active above

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And this is my point. You say Mario can do both lurk and post erratically as scum, so how can you say a game matches his scum meta when even his scum meta isn't definitive.

Cus meta is not only about their posting style its about mindsets

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And this is my point. You say Mario can do both lurk and post erratically as scum, so how can you say a game matches his scum meta when even his scum meta isn't definitive.

Cus meta is not only about their posting style its about mindsets

1) Meta is bad, and 2) Even if it's about mindsets, my point still stands that your reasoning has numerous flaws. It assumes that Mario posts erratically only as scum which is 1) unlikely and 2) you have no evidence to back up. If you want to talk about the mindset, fine. Tell me why post X is coming from scum, why posts Y & Z look like posturing, etc.

Your argument sucks and I think you're better players than your argument is leading on.

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Also, you STILL have not answered lillith's question, which is a valid one. If you're throwing out serious accusations, you'd have better have a reason behind it.

This Mario push is soft. The resistance in total to it is generally too soft for it to be an all-town wagon and the specific defenders are too blatant for them to be scum.

You don't seem to realize how little I give a shit about your opinion. I'm going through hell in my personal life and I simply don't give a shit about this game. If ika cares, he can respond. I simply do not give a damn. If you lynch us, when we flip town, you need to die next. Other than that, don't fucking interact with me at all. Talk to ika.

~SW

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Acryon-Ask me whatever you want. If we are lynched, I want town to find the scum that jumped on us for NAI behavior. Like Papa Zito for example.

You can ISO and see we are town. Fuck your questions. I don't care.

What's so hard to understand about that? I do not care right now. ika is working all day. Maybe he'll feel like addressing this.

Or you can call this AtE, lynch us and we can hang out in the dead thread with Cheetory when we flip town.

I DON'T CARE. GET IT YET?

~SW

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Arrite that's fair. I have some Qs out, let's see what shakes

VOTE: Anxiety Attack

AA raises a good point.
What makes the slot scummy and vote worthy?

Who is this directed at? If me, then 1705 is a succinct showing of why I think AA is scum. 1) Presenting arguments that the slot has enough experience to know better than try to push. 2) Dodging simple questions including an unwillingness to back up claim that I was trying to discredit them with their Spiffeh and Mario push.

Moreso at Zito, thus the quote.

I've read 1705 and see the points, just not sold on it.

That's fair, which is why I was hoping my questioning could get us somewhere, since I know towncred is very hard to overcome.

OK your first point is BS plain and simple. Who cares how good we are at the game? You think good players can't have bad or off games? Is being bad scum or town? Explain why this point is scum.

I didn't dodge shit. You are constantly harping on us about our Mario read which I already explained. Your attempt to discredit is scummy unless you can tell me why Mario is town. Also, I'm not dodging. I don't care. There's a huge difference.

~SW

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It's right back to your shitty argument that we should know better.

Fuck off.

~SW

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Once again, I see where this is going and am calling a time out.

Although you'll notice only one person is pushing it in that direction.

Feigning ignorance is scummy AA.

Did you not see my earlier post telling you to fuck off? I think you are trying to piss me off on purpose at this point.

Keep putting words in my mouth pal and saying I'm doing things I'm not. It only makes you look like shit when we flip town.

I already told you I don't care about your questions. Vote threats and shitty scumreads do nothing to get me to work with someone. Anyone that knows me knows that'll only make me dig my heels in harder.

~SW

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Yeah, I actually do not like acryon's attack on us and his reasoning for it is bad.

We need to lynch Mario today but I'd be also willing to lynch acryon as well.

~SW

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Ac whats the point of asking us again? im catchign up but you trying to get us when we have been clearly town is stupid of you

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anyways i would like to have read lists form all players at this poitn it day 2 and we should be conslidating

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also spiffeh will be color fliped tommorw

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hiplop is getting color flipped tomorrow

no, you get fliped, end story

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Also you should know my role doesn't fit as scum

I have explained this to you multiple times

neighboraizer is a great role for scums

if your so fine with it then you can self vote tommorw i dont five a fuck at this point how much you fit ove rit

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ika I do have a problem with it that's why I am arguing against it

and that is?

i mena realsitly you should have 0 problems with it

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It can be used to cop people that might actually be scum

and how does your role become a cop equivlent?

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I'm talking about the color flip what are you talking about?

i thought you were refering to your role

i still want it fliped

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Realistically, I think many people are giving AA undue towncred. I think if people like yourself (Spiff) took an honest look at things and didn't just write AA off as town, they might see what I see.

I think people who have seen our game here and played with us before know we are town. You don't have a case outside of we should know better which is shit and you think we are avoiding questions which have already been answered and I'm not wasting time answering again.

~SW

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So what happens then in games when you are scum? People are just like "yep we know their town game; this is scum"?

i thought you dont meta. so why are you asking a meta quesiton

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So what happens then in games when you are scum? People are just like "yep we know their town game; this is scum"?

i thought you dont meta. so why are you asking a meta quesiton

Are you kidding? You are the one that tried to give me a self-meta answer, and I am calling BS on that. How is it not clear that my question was an indictment of your remark?

Dunno you tell me. YOur not getting support by ppl who know us so why are you still trying?

jsut color flip us tommorow instead like your making me board

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I'm still trying because I like to lynch scum. I think I've found scum, so I'm trying to convince others that their townreading you based on one day and meta reasoning is flawed. Sometimes it takes repetition to get attention. I'm hoping others will honestly assess their read of you, as well as take a hard look at the way you've responded to all of this from me.

And when they do and say this is town!me what then? you should realize by now this is how we are going to continue playing right?

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I'm still trying because I like to lynch scum. I think I've found scum, so I'm trying to convince others that their townreading you based on one day and meta reasoning is flawed. Sometimes it takes repetition to get attention. I'm hoping others will honestly assess their read of you, as well as take a hard look at the way you've responded to all of this from me.

And when they do and say this is town!me what then? you should realize by now this is how we are going to continue playing right?

That's the whole point. They shouldn't say this is town!you because that's an ignorant thing to say. My whole point is how exactly are they determining that you are town based on one day and comparing to your meta? Any player worth a cent can and will adjust their play as well or mimic their town-play as scum. Giving someone a pass due to meta, especially based on one day, is so mindboggling stupid. I'm not interested in anyone's thoughts on why this is town!you. I want them all to think about why giving you a pass for this reason is stupid and then to honestly and objectively look at your posts and play, especially today in the midst of my questioning.

lol your funny, your gonna realize your attempts are in vain cus ppll have been playing with us for quite some time so they know how we work

i mean lets be real here, if i was scum why wouldnt we jsut kill spiffeh n1? like tell us that one

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not really?

i mean did you see how long we waited to reveal?

why didnt we jsut do it out of the gate instead?

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this is amusing me

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not really?

i mean did you see how long we waited to reveal?

why didnt we jsut do it out of the gate instead?

Again all WIFOM, but If you just do it right away it makes you look bad because someone just being a neighbor isn't enough to want to color-flip them. If you wait, you are able to use what he has (or hasn't) said in the chat to frame him in whatever way you'd like.

its not wifom though, its about whats the right play. right play would to be out it first thing and say we dont trust it cus it was inactive as fuck

i like how your trying to discredit it with WIFOM instead of actualy answeirng it. it really shows your towniness

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I'm still trying because I like to lynch scum. I think I've found scum, so I'm trying to convince others that their townreading you based on one day and meta reasoning is flawed. Sometimes it takes repetition to get attention. I'm hoping others will honestly assess their read of you, as well as take a hard look at the way you've responded to all of this from me.

And when they do and say this is town!me what then? you should realize by now this is how we are going to continue playing right?

That's the whole point. They shouldn't say this is town!you because that's an ignorant thing to say. My whole point is how exactly are they determining that you are town based on one day and comparing to your meta? Any player worth a cent can and will adjust their play as well or mimic their town-play as scum. Giving someone a pass due to meta, especially based on one day, is so mindboggling stupid. I'm not interested in anyone's thoughts on why this is town!you. I want them all to think about why giving you a pass for this reason is stupid and then to honestly and objectively look at your posts and play, especially today in the midst of my questioning.

First of all calling us ignorant is an insult. You are saying that we are getting a pass due to meta and you keep saying one day. WTF are you talking about? Please quote where we are getting a pass for one day or it's a meta argument from someone townreading us? You are just making shit up at this point and talking our your ass. You have zero reason to call us scum. I've caught scum many, many times in the past for trying to mislynch me as town on shit reasons. I haven't been mislynched in over a year because it is blatantly obvious that these pushes are bad when I'm town and it's blatantly obvious when I am town. Your push sucks. And you are doing nothing to convince anyone. If anything this looks like TvS with you being the S. Nothing you are saying we are doing is scummy. Like, you are coming off super bad right now.

~SW

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I'm still trying because I like to lynch scum. I think I've found scum, so I'm trying to convince others that their townreading you based on one day and meta reasoning is flawed. Sometimes it takes repetition to get attention. I'm hoping others will honestly assess their read of you, as well as take a hard look at the way you've responded to all of this from me.

And when they do and say this is town!me what then? you should realize by now this is how we are going to continue playing right?

That's the whole point. They shouldn't say this is town!you because that's an ignorant thing to say. My whole point is how exactly are they determining that you are town based on one day and comparing to your meta? Any player worth a cent can and will adjust their play as well or mimic their town-play as scum. Giving someone a pass due to meta, especially based on one day, is so mindboggling stupid. I'm not interested in anyone's thoughts on why this is town!you. I want them all to think about why giving you a pass for this reason is stupid and then to honestly and objectively look at your posts and play, especially today in the midst of my questioning.

lol your funny, your gonna realize your attempts are in vain cus ppll have been playing with us for quite some time so they know how we work

i mean lets be real here, if i was scum why wouldnt we jsut kill spiffeh n1? like tell us that one

Totally WIFOM question, so totally WIFOM answer, but it's reasonable to believe you could out Spiffeh as the Neihborizer and then convince the town to waste at least a color-flip on him, which is exactly what you tried to do. If you kill him N1, then he just dies. If you kill him N2, then you get the town to waste a color-flip and then you can just NK him N2 anyway. Unfortunately you tried and failed to get the town to color-flip him today.

If WIFOM is bad why even bother using it yourself? Like all you are doing here is trying to twist everything into scum motivation because you can't find any with us. So you are making shit up. You can't see we could be town in the exact same scenarios you are trying to scumpaint us with. If this is you as town, you need to work on your play like you've been telling us all game cuz this is not only getting you nowhere but it's boring. If you want to color flip us tomorrow, I'd be more than happy to be flipped cuz I'm sick of your shit and I'm ready to ignore you ask ika to as well from here on out.

~SW

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I'm still trying because I like to lynch scum. I think I've found scum, so I'm trying to convince others that their townreading you based on one day and meta reasoning is flawed. Sometimes it takes repetition to get attention. I'm hoping others will honestly assess their read of you, as well as take a hard look at the way you've responded to all of this from me.

And when they do and say this is town!me what then? you should realize by now this is how we are going to continue playing right?

That's the whole point. They shouldn't say this is town!you because that's an ignorant thing to say. My whole point is how exactly are they determining that you are town based on one day and comparing to your meta? Any player worth a cent can and will adjust their play as well or mimic their town-play as scum. Giving someone a pass due to meta, especially based on one day, is so mindboggling stupid. I'm not interested in anyone's thoughts on why this is town!you. I want them all to think about why giving you a pass for this reason is stupid and then to honestly and objectively look at your posts and play, especially today in the midst of my questioning.

First of all calling us ignorant is an insult. You are saying that we are getting a pass due to meta and you keep saying one day. WTF are you talking about? Please quote where we are getting a pass for one day or it's a meta argument from someone townreading us? You are just making shit up at this point and talking our your ass. You have zero reason to call us scum. I've caught scum many, many times in the past for trying to mislynch me as town on shit reasons. I haven't been mislynched in over a year because it is blatantly obvious that these pushes are bad when I'm town and it's blatantly obvious when I am town. Your push sucks. And you are doing nothing to convince anyone. If anything this looks like TvS with you being the S. Nothing you are saying we are doing is scummy. Like, you are coming off super bad right now.

~SW

just phone posting but are you even reading my posts SW? I didn't call anyone ignorant, let alone you. I said saying this game was town!you would be an ignorant thing to say. The comment would be ignorant, ignorant isnt even really an insult, I didn't even call anyone ignorant, especially you. And what? No one has given me much of a reason that they are townreading you outside of meta; that's my point. Meta isn't entirely useless, but it's close, especially for townreading people. If you're going to read someone for meta, it better be for a scum read and not a town read. Give people credit for scumhunting.

I've asked ika to deal with you from now on or we will be ignoring you. If you aren't scum then I don't get your fucking point.

~SW

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I also want to add that when I tried to show BBT associations, which show that we are not a BBT buddy based on his constant push on us and vote he kept for a long time, acryon discredited that by saying we shouldn't use BBT ISO. I do think acryon is scum but I also think Mario is so I'd like to flip Mario and color flip acryon tomorrow.

Also Davsto, Spiffeh neighborized us last night. It lasts all night and all day today. He also makes us ascetic at the same time. The reason we outed is cuz of the fact he wasn't talking to us in there.

~SW

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I also want to add that when I tried to show BBT associations, which show that we are not a BBT buddy based on his constant push on us and vote he kept for a long time, acryon discredited that by saying we shouldn't use BBT ISO. I do think acryon is scum but I also think Mario is so I'd like to flip Mario and color flip acryon tomorrow.

Also Davsto, Spiffeh neighborized us last night. It lasts all night and all day today. He also makes us ascetic at the same time. The reason we outed is cuz of the fact he wasn't talking to us in there.

~SW

So you won't be ascetic tonight? Cuz that's kinda what's important to test that whole aspect.

Nope, we won't.

RC-if you want to color flip townread people, I'm good with us being color flipped tomorrow

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If anyone outside of acryon has any questions we haven't answered outstanding, please let me know. I've been out of it for a bit but things are getting better and I should be able to concentrate on my games more now. I just don't remember if any of you had questions or not unless I ISO everyone.

Also, above post was me.

~SW

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Sounds fine to me. Pisskop has pretty much become a non-entity in this game. Also, I love drunk Elbirn. He's cool. <3

VOTE: Pisskop

~SW

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Cuz no one can make up their damn mind. I mean look at this.

Could defs lynch PK.
Somewhat scared of flipping him cuz GF.

Not approving of counter wagon.

I just want a flip at this point and pisskop's lack of engagement is worrisome. I won't flip a townread but otherwise I don't really care at this point to be quite honest.

~SW

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Spiffeh [1] - Davsto
hiplop [1] - Marquis

I mean can Davsto and Marquis explain their vanity wagon votes at least?

What about this?

Not Voting [3] - DrippingGoofball, MarioManiac4, pisskop

Anyone want to explain why they are not voting?

I mean FFS people.

~SW

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Well, I'd love it if we could get the votes and lynch his ass cuz we have a little over a day and nothing is happening.

I think Mario and Pisskop are scum and the third is either DGB or hiplop. I've felt this way for awhile. I'd like to lynch at this point.

~SW

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Oh hey I forgot to mention (AKA I just checked my role and didn't realize this)

Being in my neighborhood obscures someone's color until they are released

How does this make people feel

Actually this is probably the counter to the fact that people are color flipped. Like, if you kept it a secret and the person neighborized did, they could potentially be protected if they are scum. This actually gives an advantage to scum but it negates the fact that scum are at a disadvantage from the color flipping in the first place. So it's possible scum doesn't even have a GF and your role is negative utility for town overall.

~SW

pedit: OK that's fine with me for scum. Pisskop, Mario, hiplop

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rn I'm fairly certain all of West9, Anxiety Attack, Marquis, Elbirn, Aristophanes, Davsto, and Lilith are town

and me ofc

OK, so we lynch one of the scumreads of Pisskop, Mario, hiplop

And flip someone not in the town list like DGB-although we can't flip her tomorrow if you neighborize her, RC, Papa Zito, acryon

I'm completely fine with this list and in agreement. If others want to agree or disagree and state why, that would help a lot.

~SW

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Well, I guess tomorrow we can discuss who to flip knowing it won't be who Spiffeh neighborizes and going on flips that happen today/tonight.

I moved to Pisskop to see if that would get momentum and because I liked Elbirn's points but I can move back to mario before deadline as well.

~SW

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If you don't like my vote, that's fine pisskop but you can't really get on me for reaction testing if you insult people as a reaction test also. If you are town, I can totes see Ari being scum for the vote on you like that. But at this point we need a fucking flip and while I appreciate those who are doing something, I am so tired of all the people who are not.

~SW

Let's fucking lynch someone plz.

VOTE: Mario

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Elbirn's drunk posting is pretty cool.

Also, I say go ahead and hammer whoever wants to and end the day.

There's not going to be time for anything else the way this game is going.

~SW

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Oh hey I forgot to mention (AKA I just checked my role and didn't realize this)

Being in my neighborhood obscures someone's color until they are released

How does this make people feel

So does this essentially produce a null when color-flipped as well?

Elbirn's drunk posting is pretty cool.

Also, I say go ahead and hammer whoever wants to and end the day.

There's not going to be time for anything else the way this game is going.

~SW

Why are you okay with just hammering without a claim? We now have multiple people (myself included now) that will hammer before deadline if he doesn't claim by then.

I'll hammer 8 hours from now if no claim comes.

I'm tired of your shit misrep on us. I said the day was about to end and we needed a lynch. At the rate we were going, it'd be a NL. We need a flip and I would of been o.k. lynching his ass earlier than this. If he was a PR, he could of fucking played better to avoid a lynch.

~SW

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I'd like to color clip acryon or Spiffeh tomorrow.

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VOTE: acryon

ika and I want this flipped.

~SW

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I can confirm we were neighborized N1 and it lasted until N2.

Should we flip someone else and lynch DGB then?

~SW

pedit: Sorry to see you go Marquis

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Like I'd love to color flip acryon but would be more than happy to color flip hiplop.

But yeah, we lynch DGB today.

~SW

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Earlier question on RC bussing BBT. RC will bus as scum as evidenced by our open game 613 where we both bussed a scum mate. That said, this seems more like a town thing from him with the fake role, fake guilty stuff cuz I think I remember him faking tracker in 185 as town.

~SW

pedit: I want to flip acryon cuz if you look at his interactions with us yesterday, I have a hard time believing that came from town. I tend to be able to pick up when scum is trying to mislynch me as town and that's exactly what it felt like.

RC-if it makes you feel better, we can color flip Spiffeh. The only issue I have with him is he didn't talk to us much in the hood. Still don't think he'd neighborize us as scum since we know him and have played with him a lot but I could be wrong there.

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OK, so when it comes time to lynch, we lynch DGB.

But as far as a flip, we still need to decide that.

My top choices are acryon and hiplop. Papa Zito and lillith I'd kind of be o.k. with as well.

Everyone else seems pretty town to me.

~SW

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just got home

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so Elbirn is right DGB is confirmed scum by the mechanics

we presume 4 scums in starting

n1: there are 3 left
if we take that they can turn blue into account
d2: has 2 red, 1 blue
so com night 2 he now purple
n2: 2 red, 1 purple
so if it acted again we should have on d3
n3: 1 red, 1 purple, 1 blue
but due to spiffs role its removed so we are missing a red

So other than correcting the spelling of Elbirn's name (lol-call me a spelling nazi)-this is what ika sent to me and what we talked about on the phone earlier.

So 17 players=most likely a 4 person scumteam. There are currenlty 13 players alive.

Elbirn's role is similar to a sensor role where he can detect colors. Scum likely have a role that can color change one of them due to Elbirn's results.

So 11 blue and 1 purple and 1 missing are the current results.

N1-3 red, 1 color changed to blue, and TSO changed to purple and we would of been unaccounted for due to being Ascetic due to Spiffeh's role

D2-2 red, 1 purple would be dead due to TSO being killed, and we would still be missing

N2-2 red, 1 purple (West), 1 missing (DGB), 1 read turns blue

D3-1 red, 1 purple (West), 1 missing (DGB)-because Elbrin is not detecting a red player rn, that means that DGB is scum because she is missing due to Spiffeh and is therefore confirmed scum

~SW

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If you think you are a waste of a color flip acryon, then it's best if you tell us who you think would be a good color flip. To me it's either you, hiplop, lillith, or Papa Zito.

And yeah I just realized I messed up what ika was saying and I'm gonna check with him again when he wakes up. The purple isn't the person we flipped necessarily although it could be. It is the person the scum tried to change from red to blue and got purple.

This tells me they have a color change ability which would mean a GF isn't necessarily likely at all. So the only chance we have of accurately color flipping scum, is if we catch whoever is purple and flip them today.

~SW

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If you think you are a waste of a color flip acryon, then it's best if you tell us who you think would be a good color flip. To me it's either you, hiplop, lillith, or Papa Zito.

And yeah I just realized I messed up what ika was saying and I'm gonna check with him again when he wakes up. The purple isn't the person we flipped necessarily although it could be. It is the person the scum tried to change from red to blue and got purple.

This tells me they have a color change ability which would mean a GF isn't necessarily likely at all. So the only chance we have of accurately color flipping scum, is if we catch whoever is purple and flip them today.

~SW

I'm just gonna requote this and say that my assumption West was purple was wrong. The scum that was color changed by his team is most likely purple and the only way a flip will be useful is if we find that person.

We can lynch DGB after but need to make an educated guess as to who is purple now and flip them.

~SW

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Ok I think I'm caught up again.

I can confirm we were neighborized N1 and it lasted until N2.

So as of right now you're not in the neighborhood anymore right? It's just DGB in there?

Right, we were in the hood N1 and D2 and are no longer in the hood as of N2. DGB should be the only one in there with Spiffeh now.

~SW

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^lol

Ok I think I'm caught up again.

I can confirm we were neighborized N1 and it lasted until N2.

So as of right now you're not in the neighborhood anymore right? It's just DGB in there?

Right, we were in the hood N1 and D2 and are no longer in the hood as of N2. DGB should be the only one in there with Spiffeh now.

~SW

Sorry to harp on this, I just wanna make sure I got the order of events correct. As soon as D2 ended you lost access right?

Yes

~SW

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RC would benefit the most prob from a PK kill. Who else would kill PK?

~SW

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Yeah, it looks like Elbrin would benefit also. Good point, it's possible but kind of WIFOMy.

VOTE: Elbirn

~SW

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VOTE: dgb

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It's clear to me we aren't going to catch scum by color flipping but by lynching.

~SW

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can we color flip spiffeh next

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VOTE: spiffeh

pedit im gonna iso later for assoicaitves

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nah we could rela lynch you instead

VOTE: hiplop

we cna colro flip him

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we lynch spiffhe today

like the fact RC died after it shows he scum

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OK, Just had a talk with ika about this game. RC was heavily suspecting Spiffeh. Spiffeh's role could easily be a scum role. At this point Papa Zito hasn't done shit. So we want to color flip Papa Zito and lynch the shit out of Spiffeh today.

pedit: Cool, Then there are probs two scum left alive and two of them are purple today. Let's lynch one of them.

~SW

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Then what about the previous nights? Like n1 and stuff?

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Well, Because you didn't put anyone in your neighborhood last night and you didn't talk to us in your neighborhood hardly at all. You benefit most from an RC kill. Your role is scummy.

Is that enough or?

~SW

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I'm fine color flipping you instead but I fucking want to lynch scum. It's you and Papa Zito. So I can do it in any order. If I'm wrong, feel free to tell me who the last two scum are.

~SW

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VOTE: Spiffeh

~SW

I love Silverwolf!

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it would be basdard modding if it was not informed......

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chanigng a persona color is not the same as a framer.

the framer affects the cop for one night

the color change affect the persons role itself permanetly

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it would be basdard modding if it was not informed......

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... edirect=no seems to imply a similar role, so how would it be bastard?

Because the person would not be informed of the fact they are color changed which fits the definition of the mod lying to the players which is a bastard game.

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^^^^^^^

SW

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There are likely 2 more scum-this is a 17 player game. I also do not think townies can have their color changed and possibly be lynched off of it if they are color flipped. I do believe that scum can change their own colors and that there is no GF. This is where I'm at right now.

~SW

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chanigng a persona color is not the same as a framer.

the framer affects the cop for one night

the color change affect the persons role itself permanetly

We don't know that, do we?

Considering their are two purple players and likely 2 scum left, I'd say we can be pretty sure of this atm.

~SW

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Definition of bastard by large theme queue stuffs

Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes,

moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not)

, secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game?

Pretty sure people being able to have their colour changed without being told as such doesn't fit into this.

The fact that the mod didn't immediately go "yeah you'd be told" also makes me think that you may not be told.

Ech.

changing a person role would fall under the bolded. its subjective overall but i would classify it as a bastard elemt to not inform the town of such thing

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N1 we were hidden due to being asceticized and everyone else was dry so if anyone wants to flip us, I'm fine with that. We are blue but if it'll put your mind at ease, I'm cool with it.

N2 was Spiffeh, flipped scum, and flipped town

N3 was West (blue flipe), Firebringer and Ari-one of these was wet and recently painted.

I think we should color flip one of Firebringer or Ari today.

Also, wouldn't a wet painted person be purple so if West was blue we should go with

one of Firebringer or Ari today

for a color flip.

UNVOTE:

~SW

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Yeah, Firebringer's ISO is devoid of any content. He replaced Marquis who pushed BBT pretty hard which made me townread him but still, he could be scum.

Ari replaced Frogger who was pretty town and looks fairly town since replacing.

I guess we can flip one and lynch the other if the person we flip is blue as that will likely confirm the other as scum?

I mean, it's getting to a PoE game at this point either and one of these two is likely scum.

VOTE: Firebringer

~SW

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Can we color flip firebringer and if he's purple then we lynch him? (If he's blue lynch aristo)

shouldnt we be flipping west "coastin on a blue flip" 9

VOTE: west9

Also I don't like this and I think we should flip hiplop tomorrow.

Agree, and I can finally say I like lilith for town.

~SW

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Stop beating around the god damn bush and if you have some sort of guilty on West, fucking tell us hiplop. Otherwise, we are color flipping Firebringer.

God.................just annoying as shit at this point.

~SW

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yes hippy either you say it outright or we can lynch out of them

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I still think I should die today

if I'm blue, we learn that purple is probably scum and you all kill purplescum Ari.
if I'm purple, we learn that scum can paint town and you all kill probablyscum hiplop.
either way, we get rid of the possibility of reasonably-suspected townWest living until endgame.

i'm not voting for myself though because self voting is silly and I'm still kinda hoping someone is gonna come forward with information that doesn't make my death the 100% best course of action that it is right now.

Well, I haven't posted much because I couldn't decide between West or Ari who I wanted to lynch today. I was leaning West and his argument above is actually a good one.

However, this post is town as hell and even though I was townreading frogger, I do know he has an excellent scum game, and I think I'm gonna go for Ari for now.

VOTE: Aristophanes

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@mod-replace out

We will be leaving the site.

Thanks