Paint Mafia! - Game Over!

[Davsto]

Yo I'm all for people talking about how shitty the West wagon was, but uuhhhhh what does this mean?

Basically it looked more like a panicked "let's get the flip away from Mario" than anything else to me.

yeah i agree so uh why no mario vote?

Sorry, "let's get the flip away from Spiffeh"

[Davsto]

Brain is scrambled tired halp

[acryon]

This Mario push is soft. The resistance in total to it is generally too soft for it to be an all-town wagon and the specific defenders are too blatant for them to be scum.

Can't argue that when the only defenders of BBT (who were the same people fwiw) were equally blatant.

Bad.

Gotta agree with RC here. Acryon and Davsto should explain to me why saying "this is too slow" is the wrong lesson to learn from the BBT lynch and the West flip.

If you agree here, mind pointing me to the only defenders of the BBT wagon, who are also the same people against the Mario wagon? RC had trouble with this, so maybe you could help.

Can someone tell me why AnxietyAttack isn't scummy re: 1705? Is it just residual towncred from D1? That's certainly what it feels like.

because it is burden of proficiency, you silly goose.
I am actually curious: Why is mario town? Can you answer that now that a nice shiny blueflip is asking you?

Except it's not burden of proficiency. Burden of proficiency would be me assuming they should be catching scum because they are good; I'm not doing that. I am assuming they know better than to be voting for someone based on the reasoning they are, as well as know better than to make an accusation about me attempting to discredit them and then refusing to back up the statement when confronted. These are very different things, and you and Ari are both attempting to paint my statements with the wrong brush (one that already has its own flaws actually).

[West9]

Yo I'm all for people talking about how shitty the West wagon was, but uuhhhhh what does this mean?

Basically it looked more like a panicked "let's get the flip away from Mario" than anything else to me.

yeah i agree so uh why no mario vote?

Sorry, "let's get the flip away from Spiffeh"

lol what?
1475 - no votes on spiffeh
1479 - start of West wagon

[West9]

like even when there was a surge of votes on me couple of pages later (1561 to 1594), it was the Spiffeh voters who switched to me.

[Davsto]

Votecount 2.05

A party at a bar. Teehee.

[4 suggestions queued]

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MarioManiac4

[3] - Spiffeh, Anxiety Attack, pisskop

DrippingGoofball

[3] - Aristophanes, lilith2013, West9

West9

[2] - Marquis, hiplop

Espeonage

[1] - MarioManiac4

RadiantCowbells

[1] - RadiantCowbells

Davsto

[1] - acryon

Not Voting

[4] - Espeonage, Davsto, DrippingGoofball, Elbirn
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(expired on 2016-02-01 22:00:00)
With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to flip someone's colour!

0 Spiffeh, 3 West

Votecount 2.06

Slowly catching up!!

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MarioManiac4

[4] - Spiffeh, West9, Elbirn, lilith2013

West9

[3] - Marquis, DrippingGoofball, pisskop

Espeonage

[1] - MarioManiac4

RadiantCowbells

[1] - RadiantCowbells

Davsto

[1] - acryon

Spiffeh

[4] - Anxiety Attack, hiplop, Davsto, Aristophanes

Not Voting

[1] - Espeonage
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(expired on 2016-02-01 22:00:00)
With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to flip someone's colour!

Running short on suggestions for pictures if anyone has anything they'd like to see. Feel free to PM me with requests!

4 Spiffeh, 3 West

Votecount 2.07

Slowly not catching up!!

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MarioManiac4

[2] - West9, Elbirn

West9 [8] - Marquis, DrippingGoofball, pisskop, hiplop, Anxiety Attack, Spiffeh, Aristophanes, lilith2013

Espeonage

[1] - MarioManiac4

RadiantCowbells

[1] - RadiantCowbells

Davsto

[1] - acryon

Spiffeh

[1] - Davsto

Not Voting

[1] - Espeonage
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A hammer has been reached! Colour flip imminent..

Suddenly 8 West

[Davsto]

like even when there was a surge of votes on me couple of pages later (1561 to 1594), it was the Spiffeh voters who switched to me.

...huh

fair point

That's what you get for just looking at numbers >.>

[West9]

Except it's not burden of proficiency. Burden of proficiency would be me assuming they should be catching scum because they are good; I'm not doing that. I am assuming they know better than to be voting for someone based on the reasoning they are, as well as know better than to make an accusation about me attempting to discredit them and then refusing to back up the statement when confronted. These are very different things, and you and Ari are both attempting to paint my statements with the wrong brush (one that already has its own flaws actually).

Okay so it's not mafiascum-wiki definition of "burden of proficiency," but I find this vague "I'm assuming they know better" to be bad for a similar reason.
You not wanting to talk about whether or not you townread mario and instead being laser-focused on their reasoning is a decent argument for the case of you trying to discredit them.

[West9]

whoops meant to pair this up with the last post

This Mario push is soft. The resistance in total to it is generally too soft for it to be an all-town wagon and the specific defenders are too blatant for them to be scum.

Can't argue that when the only defenders of BBT (who were the same people fwiw) were equally blatant.

Bad.

Gotta agree with RC here. Acryon and Davsto should explain to me why saying "this is too slow" is the wrong lesson to learn from the BBT lynch and the West flip.

If you agree here, mind pointing me to the only defenders of the BBT wagon, who are also the same people against the Mario wagon? RC had trouble with this, so maybe you could help.

I'm just looking at votecount rn, but you, Awesome-slot, pisskop, and also technically me. Skimming through those isos, what they're saying about BBT and the wagon, the theme of "this would be a more exciting lynch if it were on scum" is similar to some of the mario resistance right now.

[West9]

yeah idk what RC is talking about with Ari being anti-BBT tho

[West9]

anti-BBT

lynch

, excuse me

[Spiffeh]

Davsto who do you think is scum that pushed the west flip wagon then?

You can't just say "omg the west wagon took off when spiffeh was a consideration" and leave it at that

Like are you implying the remaining scum piled on West? And if so who are they?

[Spiffeh]

Because otherwise it just looks like you're pushing anything that will stick

[acryon]

Except it's not burden of proficiency. Burden of proficiency would be me assuming they should be catching scum because they are good; I'm not doing that. I am assuming they know better than to be voting for someone based on the reasoning they are, as well as know better than to make an accusation about me attempting to discredit them and then refusing to back up the statement when confronted. These are very different things, and you and Ari are both attempting to paint my statements with the wrong brush (one that already has its own flaws actually).

Okay so it's not mafiascum-wiki definition of "burden of proficiency," but I find this vague "I'm assuming they know better" to be bad for a similar reason.
You not wanting to talk about whether or not you townread mario and instead being laser-focused on their reasoning is a decent argument for the case of you trying to discredit them.

I mean I'm all for discrediting any bad argument, as any townie should be. AA seemed to indicate that I was attempting to discredit

them

by attacking the argument, as opposed to attacking the argument.

whoops meant to pair this up with the last post

This Mario push is soft. The resistance in total to it is generally too soft for it to be an all-town wagon and the specific defenders are too blatant for them to be scum.

Can't argue that when the only defenders of BBT (who were the same people fwiw) were equally blatant.

Bad.

Gotta agree with RC here. Acryon and Davsto should explain to me why saying "this is too slow" is the wrong lesson to learn from the BBT lynch and the West flip.

If you agree here, mind pointing me to the only defenders of the BBT wagon, who are also the same people against the Mario wagon? RC had trouble with this, so maybe you could help.

I'm just looking at votecount rn, but you, Awesome-slot, pisskop, and also technically me. Skimming through those isos, what they're saying about BBT and the wagon, the theme of "this would be a more exciting lynch if it were on scum" is similar to some of the mario resistance right now.

Well my issue is with all of RC's wording.

only

defenders of BBT were equally

blatant

. I wouldn't describe "this would be a more exciting lynch if it were on scum" as blatant defense like RC is trying to say.

[acryon]

yeah idk what RC is talking about with Ari being anti-BBT tho

This is part of my issue. RC is throwing things out based on misinformation and then seemingly trying to scramble to justify it even after the premises are proven false.

[West9]

Here's how I see it:

Your argument sucks

^attacking the argument

Your argument sucks and I think you're better players than your argument is leading on.

VOTE: Anxiety Attack

^attempting to discredit them by attacking the argument.


You have some okay points about RC's wording that I don't really care about because I think the parallels between the resistance to BBTlynch and Mariolynch are more important.
The defenders of BBT then and the defenders of Mario now are being just as blatant with that specific point, which is really the main anti mario lynch argument, as it was the main anti BBT lynch argument.

[West9]

idk i still think of "nobody is defending mario but some people are attacking mario's attackers" as super encouraging

[RadiantCowbells]

yep yep

RC is obvtown too.

where's my adorable annie fan art.

[Elbirn]

also there was that thing where Spiffeh wagon was building (from like 0 votes to four in 75 posts) and then *suddenly* 5 votes piled on West9 in 27 posts.

Something about that is ech, but then I'm not a VCA expert so y/k

I pretty much was thinking that
But then I'm not smart and I don't know who would be scum on the west wagon I'm not good at this

Also Preflip associative are icky and while I guess there's the evidence of "these people pushed a town flip", there isn't the evidence of "these people pushed a town flipped wagon against someone who flipped scum".

Idk

I read since my last post, still haven't read pages 40-50+, there are probably posts addressed to me (Mario seems really buttmad that I'm scumreading him I saw) but I wanna go do other stuff right now but I promise I'll stop being shit soon. Probs tonight. Or you can talk to me now and I'll respond maybe?

[Anxiety Attack]

Yeah, I actually do not like acryon's attack on us and his reasoning for it is bad.

We need to lynch Mario today but I'd be also willing to lynch acryon as well.

~SW

[Anxiety Attack]

Ac whats the point of asking us again? im catchign up but you trying to get us when we have been clearly town is stupid of you

[Anxiety Attack]

anyways i would like to have read lists form all players at this poitn it day 2 and we should be conslidating

[Anxiety Attack]

also spiffeh will be color fliped tommorw

[Spiffeh]

Nah

[Spiffeh]

hiplop is getting color flipped tomorrow