Mafia 69: noXkill - Game over!

[killerbob]

Killer Bob, Dont you think people should explain thier unvotes as well as thier votes?

I do, but I also think that asking for cases when you haven't put your own two cents in looks like you are trying to look like you are involved when you actually aren't. That's just what it looks like to me.

I was interested cuz I was looking at both wagons and some of the people on the Green where also on the Karen wagon..Those on the Cephrir where not. So I thought a town player chooseing the Green wagon out the two would look a bit scummy. Or is this just more DAS crap lodgic..its been known

I do agree with you on that point. I was making those observations as well. But I agree with Karma that Cephrir has been kinda lurky and not explaining his case. Until he comes out of the shadows I'm going to

vote: Cephrir

.

He's only at 3 votes with mine as the 4th so maybe it will put some pressure on him to speak up. Besides, it would take 5 more votes to lynch, so there's really no harm in a little pressure.

And while we are at it, I would like to see the answer Kison has to your question.

And I am removing your FoS...for now.

[davidangelsummers]

Killer Bob
And while we are at it, I would like to see the answer Kison has to your question.

I wanted to wait till he answered b4 I gave my theory and while I was waiting, I thought I would post the Dybeck question.
I get the point about the 2 cents but surley not posting at all is even more of a sin..Although calling people New and idiots is not going to encourge people to post---*looks at Dybeck*

[Cephrir]

I'll make a meaningful post here tomorrow-- there's no way I'm going to have much time for this tonight.

[Sonicpulsar]

I don't understand the two people voting for Dybeck at this point. I'm not getting any scummy vibes off of him short of his Day 1 play, which seems to be fairly moot at this point. He does seem to be lurking a bit (his last post was the 20th if I didn't miss one).

Killerbob beat me to the punch of putting Cephrir at -2. I'm not convinced Cephrir is scum yet, but I detest his scumhunting tactics/style (or lack thereof).

Something we haven't spent much time on is discussing why Theo was killed by the wolves considering he was awfully scummy on the previous day. As I was reading:

^^ Good point. Why would the wolves have killed theopor_COD? It keeps confusing me... He lynched Karen with no reason. Putting it straight into night. This is scummy, which scum want. Why would scum kill him? Can someone please try and explain to me why someone would do this.

It finally occured to me that I may have been thinking wrong. Theo would have been an obvious target for the lynch today (Day 2) if he'd have been left alive. This is bad for the wolves AND for the mafia. Both sides want the other side lynched during the day. It's in their best interests to kill off the scummy players unless they legitimately think their NK choice is the other side. Just something to think about.

Moving on, I'm not getting much from Green Day. I went thru the last 5 pages and didn't see much there. This means that the two people who are being wagoned at the moment haven't posted much content in the last several pages.

[curiouskarmadog]

I do have a list..will give you the top 3 on it.

Cephirr for reasons I already stated, and he cant seems to defend against with any logic.

Davidsummers, jumping on the Karen wagon for no reason, then attacking me for not attacking Karen, then lurking the rest of the day out.

Green Day, for his crap play yesterday (agree with most of the arguments of others today) and his OMGUS vote today.

Ok maybe 4.

Tarhalindur.. We are 17 pages into a game and he has posted exactly 4 times (with little content). This I felt was strange.

Initial thoughts: There's a lot of scummy players right now. Two of them stand out more than most:

Dybeck: Dybeck's excessive defense of Karen looks to me like scum trying to buddy up to a newb townie. I think putting pressure on him is a good idea.

Vote: Dybeck

davidangelsummers: Davidangelsummers jumped onto the Karen wagon with poorer reasoning than most, and one of his early responses looked like he might be scum trying to give off the aura of being comfortable with being voted.

Major FoS: davidangelsummers

; this may be upgraded to a vote in the near future.

Two other players have caught my eye, for different reasons:

Karen: Karen's play is extremely odd, as in "what the frak is she doing?" odd. I'm not yet sure whether it counts as Village Idiot odd or newb scum odd. I'll take a closer look over her posts ASAP and try to distinguish between the two.

curiouskarmadog: ckd's looking quite town to me at the moment. He's been going after an unpopular target who is genuinely scummy (davidangelsummers), and he's been offering good reasoning in the process.

I'll put up more complete analysis when I get the time.

Thinks Dybeck and davidsummers are the scummiest looking people here.

His very next post

Upon closer examination of Karen's posts, one post stood out at me like a sore thumb:

unvote: WhoMe?

vote: Karen.

go scum!!!

There's only one reason I can think of why a living player would root for the scum - because they're scum, and they're giving up.

It's time for Karenscum to die.

Unvote, Vote: Karen

he thought david was scummy for providing little reason, then jumped on the Karen wagon with this reasoning. Karen went from being odd to scum because she voted for herself?…this is crap.

[curiouskarmadog]

Killerbob beat me to the punch of putting Cephrir at -2. I'm not convinced Cephrir is scum yet, but I detest his scumhunting tactics/style (or lack thereof).

by my count cephirr has 4 votes, putting him at -5.

[ZONEACE]

Unofficial Vote Count

I think its accurate
Green Day(4) - Twomz , Blight , ChocolateAttack, Kison
Cephrir (4) - dybeck , Flyinghawk , curiouskarmadog, KillerBob
dybeck(1) - Cephrir
curiouskarmadog(1) - ZONEACE
Twomz (1) - Green Day


Not voting (6): Sonicpulsar , davidangelsummers , Tarhalindur , thinktank , Kanga, WhoMe?


So i must ask, how exactly did KillerBob beat you to putting Cephrir at -2 when it's 9 to lynch Sonic?

Now this could have just been a counting error, but i'm gonna

FOS Sonic

cause it could also be an attempt to make people think cephrir has more votes than he does.

Don't really have much else to add right now, I'd like to hear Cephrir's response to everything being layed against him as the case against him is getting quite convincing.

[WhoMe?]

OK. after a reread I can totally get behind one of the wagons..........

vote Green Day

When he first voted Karen he came back after 30 minutes and added an explanation. I'm thinking he started worrying about a wagon vote so came back to tack a reason on to it later. I don't think it was just a mistake to leave it off, because when he voted me, and made a mistake with the tags, he posted a correction immediately.

I fully agree with you there. Karen has by far been the scummiest person. I just reckon to watch everyone voting for her as well. I know about half of them would be townies, there is certainly going to be one or two scum voting for her at the moment out of about 7 votes on her.

Surely you should be voting the person who has been by far the scummiest in the game? Unless of course you know they are going to come up town and you don't want to be on that wagon.

[Sonicpulsar]

Killerbob beat me to the punch of putting Cephrir at -2. I'm not convinced Cephrir is scum yet, but I detest his scumhunting tactics/style (or lack thereof).

by my count cephirr has 4 votes, putting him at -5.

Whoops, the 5 key is above my 2 key.

[Twomz]

Tar replaced in... do not remember for whom though.

My vote will stay on GreenDay for now, but I will be watching cephrir because the case against him is valid (I just think the case against greenday is more convincing, also his reaction to the vote... although cephrir has a vote on dybeck... hmmm).

I would be happy if either of them were lynched.

It finally occured to me that I may have been thinking wrong. Theo would have been an obvious target for the lynch today (Day 2) if he'd have been left alive. This is bad for the wolves AND for the mafia. Both sides want the other side lynched during the day. It's in their best interests to kill off the scummy players unless they legitimately think their NK choice is the other side. Just something to think about.

This is a very good point.


Lastly we have some inactive players that need to post more. Please?

[ZONEACE]

Tar replaced in... do not remember for whom though.

Tar replaced SPAG who never posted in the game, so thats no excuse for having so few posts.

[curiouskarmadog]

Killerbob beat me to the punch of putting Cephrir at -2. I'm not convinced Cephrir is scum yet, but I detest his scumhunting tactics/style (or lack thereof).

by my count cephirr has 4 votes, putting him at -5.

Whoops, the 5 key is above my 2 key.

whoa what? why then is it important that killerbob beat you to the punch putting cephrir at -5?

[Sonicpulsar]

I wanted to apply pressure but I didn't want to put him past the "half-way" mark. Given the number of scum/wolves, I'm wary of getting people too high too quickly.

[curiouskarmadog]

I hope you understand this sounds like a stretch right? I feel like if that was true, you would have stated that comment when you originally post what you meant to say -5...noting this.

[Sonicpulsar]

A stretch? Of what, the truth? What possible reason could I have short of the one I've supplied? Let it go.

[davidangelsummers]

Davidsummers, jumping on the Karen wagon for no reason, then attacking me for not attacking Karen, then lurking the rest of the day out.

Lets break this down:
I had a reason for voting Karen you just dont think its a good reason..
I would have voted anyone in any game voteing for them selfs that early day 1 and I wanted her replaced if anything...
I attacked you for attacking me ...hense the OMGUS vote ..I have not voted you today cuz you where right about the Karen wagon ...but I look forward to your posts cuz I can tell your going to be a pain in my ass town or not..ow...dont lurk, just dont really do weekends at the mo..Girlfriend back from Norway. Look at the pic ..You would not do weekends either..

[ZONEACE]

Girlfriend back from Norway. Look at the pic ..You would not do weekends either..

Oh shit, i thought that was Pink.

[davidangelsummers]

Girlfriend back from Norway. Look at the pic ..You would not do weekends either..

Oh shit, i thought that was Pink.

lol....I was only meant to have this avatar up till she got back..So I got to find a new one..I wonder if people have been thinking I like pink for the last couple of months..Could explain a lot..

[dybeck]

Sorry... not lurking... been out of town since Saturday without proper net access...

FOS: davidangelsummers

. Lynch all liars. That's not his girlfriend - I've seen that picture before in a Scandinavian porn video i used to own.

[Twomz]

Sorry... not lurking... been out of town since Saturday without proper net access...

FOS: davidangelsummers

. Lynch all liars. That's not his girlfriend - I've seen that picture before in a Scandinavian porn video i used to own.

PWNED

[ZONEACE]

i still say it's Pink.

[Flyinghawk]

Neither of the top lynch candidates (greenday or Cephrir) have made any posts in recent pages.

Well, i take that back , Cephrir posted saying he was GOING to post, but then never posted.

Until we get more information (aka responses) from these two, i would implore that no one votes these two, because a mislynch would be horrible right now. If the vote count gets too high on cephrir, i'll unvote him. But for now, the vote sticks.

[Kison]

Unvote

Vote : GreenDay

I don't think the position on Karen's wagon has a lot to do with whether or not someone is going to be scum. I'd guess there were multiple scum either on the wagon or supporting it, but GreenDay
s indirect support for the wagon while trying to cover it up the next day is more bothersome to me, whether or not the Karen lynch was one I think was justified.

Are you choosing this wagon over the Cephrir wagon or just plain voteing green day? ....(I will explain why im asking)

I'm voting Green Day because I think his actions warrant it. I don't think Cephrir's actions are as bad, personally.

No, not voting him because he is a wagon, if that's what you're asking me.

[Kanaga]

I don't think we can wait for information forever. Green Day and Cephrir need to post soon, and if they don't, we will have to do something (push for roleclaim?). I'm not trying to push for the end of the day, but we DO need to move the game forward.

[curiouskarmadog]

I don't think we can wait for information forever. Green Day and Cephrir need to post soon, and if they don't, we will have to do something (push for roleclaim?). I'm not trying to push for the end of the day, but we DO need to move the game forward.

that is twice you have pushed for a roleclaim...if they dont post, how is pushing for a roleclaim going to help? if you feel like they are not posting enough, ask for a prod.