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In post 2219, Rylai and Lina wrote:
@MOD there won't be any alignment changes without notification in the thread? Or there can be at all?
"This is the only pleasure in my life."
-Stripclub Patron,Nelson
In post 2219, Rylai and Lina wrote:
@MOD there won't be any alignment changes without notification in the thread? Or there can be at all?
In post 2220, DiamondSentinel wrote:@Anyone who's not voting Albert for MC
We really need to find another choice. Some who we'd rather have as MC. Drixx seems like a decent choice to me, but I could be wrong. Who do you guys like?
In post 2223, Drunken Pirates wrote:
yoyo it is an outdated scumtell from like 2012. I have wondered about multiball several times on d1 in different games, I have entertained that it is multiball too cos thinks titus was obsessing over that too and the game does have that feel but I told her to NOT GO THERE YET UNTIL D2 cos the other explanation is that pple are playing to their sparking ability and to the mechanic of the game and not mafia.
I am not sus of you cos of any vote or unvote you might have had I mean made that up I am getting sus of you cos you are signing abr's bullshit and ignoring me when I say that with the info we have, we know for a fact that scum have every motivation to want to be in that party
he has already lied, he is making promises he has no intention of keeping I mean all he is doing is sucking up to pple and schmoozing.
I need to understand why you are not trusting me on this. I know you know that I am town and I think you are too! but I really need your help in understanding this. plz talk to me.
In post 2228, The Cool Cucumbers wrote:Okay, a shitload was said, skybird/itlepip is exactly what I expected given R&L forced me to pay attention to something and identify that Skybird wasn't claiming asellus and given I'm currently playing blues story in saga frontier. :p
In post 1, Varsoon wrote:
This is the ONLY way the Main Character can die aside from being lynched in LYLO.If the party ever groups up on a target (two or more party members target the same player during the same day or night phase) then the abilities that they use on that player will always affect that player without fail--this does not extend to factional abilities.
What is the 'Main Character'?
The Main Character, referred to as the 'MC' from here on out, is a temporary modifier that a player can gain. The MC is immune to ALL killing actions (including strongman, treestump, etc.) and may not be lynched (except for in LYLO). The identity of the MC will be public at all times, as will the identity of his chosen Party.
-How does a MC die?
. When multiple Party Members submit actions on the same target, all of their actions see 'upgraded priority' and will resolve before any other actions in NAR. Actions with this 'upgraded priority' still follow their own NAR structure, so if one Party member kills the MC and another doctor-protects the MC, the doc shot will still protect from the kill.
The MC canonlybe killed via two or more players on the party targeting the MC (one of these players must submit a killing action)This does not extend to factional abilities/kills. This is the ONLY way the Main Character can die aside from being lynched in LYLO.
In post 2232, The Cool Cucumbers wrote:Anyways, none of the scenarios you listed ARE THINGS THAT REQUIRE THE EMPOWERMENT OF BEING PART OF THE PARTY. Well, except for murdering the unmurderable.
Also, we haven't even had any conflicts Titus. I <3 you and you're one of my favorites.
-Cerb
In post 2235, Drunken Pirates wrote:
Yes they are. Doctors roleblockers and other things can fuck with things. If scum are in the party the actions are guaranteed to go through, bypassing doctors, bulletproofs, roleblockers, jail keepers etc.
We have intellectual conflict. I <3 you to.
~Titus
In post 2233, Yosarian2 wrote:I mean, there are lots of other good reasons for not making scum MC like the fact he can then adventure with his buddies and give them all powers (depending on how much risk the scum is willing to take).
Make a case that ABR is scum based on something other then his roleclaim (which I don't have a problem with) and if you convince me that he might be, I'll change my MC vote.
In post 2234, Drunken Pirates wrote:Oh ABR lied. Let's not count the broken promises to people to be in the party. 1957 ABR states any MC can choose the backup when they die if elected by town. The mod confirmed that to be a lie in 2224
In post 2238, The Cool Cucumbers wrote:In post 2233, Yosarian2 wrote:I mean, there are lots of other good reasons for not making scum MC like the fact he can then adventure with his buddies and give them all powers (depending on how much risk the scum is willing to take).
Make a case that ABR is scum based on something other then his roleclaim (which I don't have a problem with) and if you convince me that he might be, I'll change my MC vote.
I absolutely agree. I just think the argument that he's trying to get two scum on the team in order to multitarget and get guaranteed kills and that's why the composition always looks so weird (which, btw, is a different conversation, cause wtf do you mean by weird???)is both based on an incorrect interpretation of the mechanicsx and stupid even if it were based on the correct interpretation.
In post 2234, Drunken Pirates wrote:Oh ABR lied. Let's not count the broken promises to people to be in the party. 1957 ABR states any MC can choose the backup when they die if elected by town. The mod confirmed that to be a lie in 2224
Yes I am very much curious about why ABR claimed the first person on the chosen MCs party list would become MC in the event of their death.
-Cerb
Pedit: of course, but that isn't what you originally said. I'm in bed and lazy Titus, don't make me go iso you, but in pretty damn sure you said you thought he wanted multiple scum in the party to kill people, NOT to guarantee other combinations of powers work well.
In post 2226, Drunken Pirates wrote:In post 2220, DiamondSentinel wrote:@Anyone who's not voting Albert for MC
We really need to find another choice. Some who we'd rather have as MC. Drixx seems like a decent choice to me, but I could be wrong. Who do you guys like?
I agree we need to find some1 else as long as abr is insisting that kewldog be in the party for no good reason.
these are the players who's actions do not match up with their words:
abr
kewldog
flum
klingoncelt.
In post 2228, The Cool Cucumbers wrote:Okay, a shitload was said, skybird/itlepip is exactly what I expected given R&L forced me to pay attention to something and identify that Skybird wasn't claiming asellus and given I'm currently playing blues story in saga frontier. :p but...I'm not gonna worry about that because one thing is irritating the hell out of me.
DP: your understanding of the MC protection and how it is bypassed is wrong. I don't care about anything else in your role, but the games setup clearly states that the MC may ONLY die if targeted by two members of his party, one of whom uses a NON FACTIONAL killing ability. Shit is basic yo, I don't understand how you keep getting it wrong.
Also, umm, I think Yosarian pretty much told you exactly how the mechanic works, and you told him he was wrong, so, well, I have to assume you are misunderstanding something. Now if....by some miracle...you are NOT misunderstanding, but still think you suggestion is right, keep reading.
My other points remain: ABRs play only matches titus' suggested plan if they want to kill someone who is protected N2, and have a non-factional kill, BUT, the need for being mc/in the party only applies if their non-factional kill sint a strongman, since a strongman could be assumed to be lethal in almost all situations.
So, even in the improbable event that those things are all true....WHY does scum!ABR put himself so far out there just to get control of this party? Why does scum!ABR make an unsolicited claim and draw unnecessary suspicion to himself? I mean, maybe he's scum, but I can't believe you guys seriously believe he's going out on a fucking limb here in order to....get a guaranteed kill on N2.
Like, seriously? THAT'S the payoff?
TL;DR: DP's thoughts about ABR's plan are dumb and wrong, regardless of what their role is, because the mechanics SIMPLY DO NOT WORK in the fashion they seem to feel they do, and even if they do realize how the mechanics work and are just expressing it poorly, it's a shitload of work and risk, especially for scum!abr, with very little gain.
-Cerb
In post 2239, Drunken Pirates wrote:In post 2238, The Cool Cucumbers wrote:In post 2233, Yosarian2 wrote:I mean, there are lots of other good reasons for not making scum MC like the fact he can then adventure with his buddies and give them all powers (depending on how much risk the scum is willing to take).
Make a case that ABR is scum based on something other then his roleclaim (which I don't have a problem with) and if you convince me that he might be, I'll change my MC vote.
I absolutely agree. I just think the argument that he's trying to get two scum on the team in order to multitarget and get guaranteed kills and that's why the composition always looks so weird (which, btw, is a different conversation, cause wtf do you mean by weird???)is both based on an incorrect interpretation of the mechanicsx and stupid even if it were based on the correct interpretation.
In post 2234, Drunken Pirates wrote:Oh ABR lied. Let's not count the broken promises to people to be in the party. 1957 ABR states any MC can choose the backup when they die if elected by town. The mod confirmed that to be a lie in 2224
Yes I am very much curious about why ABR claimed the first person on the chosen MCs party list would become MC in the event of their death.
-Cerb
Pedit: of course, but that isn't what you originally said. I'm in bed and lazy Titus, don't make me go iso you, but in pretty damn sure you said you thought he wanted multiple scum in the party to kill people, NOT to guarantee other combinations of powers work well.
Let's suppose I did, because I like revealing as much of the scumplan as possible.
I think it's pretty damn obvious RaL is unmurderable and every protective role and their brother is going there tonight.
ABR says that RaL should not claim conftowns and tell them to a trusted hood. Yet he makes no attempt to include RaL in his party, even after kicking me off. He can't then very well claim that his non inclusion is an attempt to work with me, because he's now taking the position we can't work together.
Having this conversation is causing me to post more. So I am going to ask you to trust me again. I should be limiting my posting so that when eventually either a) Mollie and I can chain lynch the scumteam or b) I nail their asses to the wall in Titus fashion.
Trust me until I am wrong if you townread us.
~Titus
In post 2241, DiamondSentinel wrote:Yosarian and Cerberus-hydra, can you tell me why you're voting Albert for MC? If I remember correctly, you haven't given any decent reason on that.
Also, anyone not voting Albert for MC, I'dhighlysuggest that you vote Drixx for MC. He's likely town (since scum is unlikely first MC), so he'd be a smart choice for MC.
In post 2242, Drunken Pirates wrote:In post 2228, The Cool Cucumbers wrote:Okay, a shitload was said, skybird/itlepip is exactly what I expected given R&L forced me to pay attention to something and identify that Skybird wasn't claiming asellus and given I'm currently playing blues story in saga frontier. :p but...I'm not gonna worry about that because one thing is irritating the hell out of me.
DP: your understanding of the MC protection and how it is bypassed is wrong. I don't care about anything else in your role, but the games setup clearly states that the MC may ONLY die if targeted by two members of his party, one of whom uses a NON FACTIONAL killing ability. Shit is basic yo, I don't understand how you keep getting it wrong.
Also, umm, I think Yosarian pretty much told you exactly how the mechanic works, and you told him he was wrong, so, well, I have to assume you are misunderstanding something. Now if....by some miracle...you are NOT misunderstanding, but still think you suggestion is right, keep reading.
My other points remain: ABRs play only matches titus' suggested plan if they want to kill someone who is protected N2, and have a non-factional kill, BUT, the need for being mc/in the party only applies if their non-factional kill sint a strongman, since a strongman could be assumed to be lethal in almost all situations.
So, even in the improbable event that those things are all true....WHY does scum!ABR put himself so far out there just to get control of this party? Why does scum!ABR make an unsolicited claim and draw unnecessary suspicion to himself? I mean, maybe he's scum, but I can't believe you guys seriously believe he's going out on a fucking limb here in order to....get a guaranteed kill on N2.
Like, seriously? THAT'S the payoff?
TL;DR: DP's thoughts about ABR's plan are dumb and wrong, regardless of what their role is, because the mechanics SIMPLY DO NOT WORK in the fashion they seem to feel they do, and even if they do realize how the mechanics work and are just expressing it poorly, it's a shitload of work and risk, especially for scum!abr, with very little gain.
-Cerb
okay I am not gonna talk to you if you are gonna be a jerk.
I thought the exact same thing that you guys thought and argued with titus over it so we asked for clarification. you are simply gonna have to accept the fact we know more than you. period fucking end of story. scum will want their team in the party.
@ yoyo
this isn't coming from me being emotionally compromised. I was giving abr a pass, titus was the who was all over him. I used the exact same arguments that are using. then a piece of the puzzle fell into place. and it isn't that he is campaigning it is how he is going about it. he told diamond that he wld put diamond in the party if diamond voted him and then he didn't despite diamond being a strong town read. stop treating me like I am incapable of being objective cos I can be. I once got in the nastiest bloodiest fight I have ever got into, I mean he was gonna be in my area down from canada and attending a paleontology conference and we had plans to meet up and him and his ta who I also knew and had played mafia with and we cancelled the plans cos we were so mad at each other. he was the doc and I had an inventor's protect and we protected each other despite being mad and scum missed 2 nks.
it was always drilled into my head by both mentors, wc first. I may turn a stark foaming at the mouth ragey person mad at some1 but if they are important to my wc I will do what i can to help/protect them.
titus is like "abr is 100% scum" and I am like "no he isn't" but I am defo seeing some markers here given what I know.
the problem that I am having with abr is his insistence that kewldog be on the team when kewldog stalled a lynch on some1 he was scumreading, is only addressing titus when I have played with kewldog before and it seems he is avoiding interaction.
In post 2244, DiamondSentinel wrote:@Cerberus I don't like that answer. You see he's scummy, and yet you are not only putting it off, but not even offering an alternative. AND you're putting him in a position of power!
In post 2246, Drunken Pirates wrote:Cerb, ABR and I had an exchange awhile back initially when I came back (start with the picture) to prove the very point you were questioningbecause many people thought his selection as MC or party was wierd including CoolDog. I said point blank to ABR that if he wanted to work together, he'd have to keep out CoolDog and Yoyo from the party.
His response was to throw me out from the party despite him thinking I was his second in command and the greatest hydra head since sliced bread.
My point there was to prove the very question you ended with in 2243. CoolDog didn't question his inclusion in the party.
~Titus
In post 2247, pirate mollie wrote:titus plz