Newbie 470: Trouble at Mount Excitement - Mafia Wins!

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Original Roll String: 1d7

1 7-Sided Dice: (6) = 6

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Vote: Happiest Sadist

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Dark Lady, what's your avatar from?

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Actually, I would vote for myself if I rolled it. If I didn't it would show that I went against my proposed method of voting, and you could lynch me for it.

That being said, it's time to change my vote. =P

Original Roll String: 1d7

1 7-Sided Dice: (6) = 6

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Vote: Charms86

Wheeeeeee!!!

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wow...

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Good for you.

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Unvote, Vote: Happiest Sadist

Let's get some excitement in here, and I thought I noticed him do something scummy, but I forgot.

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Shadowlurker only has 1 vote.

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Hi. Why?

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Original Roll String: 1d7 (STATIC)

1 7-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

I don't believe you are being honest in the method of your random generation. I don't believe you would have voted for yourself had you rolled a 6.

This post is a pointless attack on me, and could possibly be construed as a joke, something that scum are more likely to do early in games. It was worth a vote this early in the game.

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Charms, can you explain what you are saying about Dark Lady? What you said doesn't make any sense. Everyone in the game is going to tell us that they are innocent. That doesn't mean they ARE innocent. What you just did was list us the only two possibilities (she's scum, or she isn't) and acted like you were actually saying something that mattered, something that contributed to the game.

Also, I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that it is safe to assume her innocent for now. You haven't explained why she would be more likely to say something like that as town than scum. Personally, I think what she said was actually more scummy than town, because the scum have a lot more need to make us believe they are protown.

Unvote, Vote: Charms

I'm seeing a possible Dark Lady/Charms scumgroup here.

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You read people based on how you think they will act. You figure out how people will act by looking at past games they've played in and comparing it to the current game.

I just explained why I think you two are mafia. Charms' scummy actions regarding you seem like an interaction between scumbuddies.

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Personally, I think what she said was actually more scummy than town, because the scum have a lot more need to make us believe they are protown.

I don't really think thats true. I think the person who most wants you to believe that they are protown would be a cop or a doctor, because if you lynch them first....well bye bye town folks...

Town can easily win if the doc or cop dies, it's just like any other game where you don't even have a doc or a cop. The doc/cop shouldn't expose themselves by trying to prove themselves more protown than any townie would. The scum are the ones who are actually not protown, so they have the most need to seem protown. The cop/doc have claims to fall back on. Well, mostly the cop, because I'm not entirely convinced that a doctor should claim under pressure, but that's debatable. It depends on if they think they can live without claiming doc. *shrug*

I agree with HS's post, so my vote on Charms is staying.

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thanks for that, Joubert.

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Do what?

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subtext is underlying meaning that can be read from someone's words. Faint praise is just that there is an approving tone to what was said, essentially. It's a little deeper than that.

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Well this is exciting.

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*bump*

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I'd really like to get around to lynching Charms here, people.

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Joubert, you're not going to get more than a finger right now. You take a finger and pull, maybe you'll get a hand. Just sitting there and saying "I'll be watching" is unproductive. You need to get some suspicions out there and act on them.

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why do you think that we should be lynching

Charms

today? Although he has been acting suspicious, much of his suspicious behavior has been in supporting

Dark Lady Shaiann.

. So if she is not scum, then it is likely that

Charms

isn't either.

Because of that, if we are lynching one of

Charms & Dark Lady

, we should lynch

Dark Lady

. Consider the unfortunate circumstance where we kill one of them and they were innocent. If we find out

Dark Lady

is innocent, it provides evidence that

Charms

is at well. However, if we find out

Charms

is innocent it provides no similar evidence about

Dark Lady.

Actually, I find it possible that Charms is scum latching on to a protown player (Dark Lady). It's possible the are both scum, but I feel stronger about Dark Lady.

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Obviously if I unvoted him it's becuase I was back to being undecided......


I don't understand how just becuase Charms talks about me, we have to automatically be a team. I belive that if we really were, we would both be talking about eachother and then denying our involvment together like crazy, or just not talking about eachother at all, especially when it comes to defense of the other, because I think that is just a little bit to obvious. The only reason why I never denied it immediatly (or said anything about it, even after I asked about it) is becuase I wasn't really worried about it, and I figured that if I denied it you would definetly think I was lying since you guys were already pointing fingers at me anyway (plus I didn't really have good enough reason to back it up at the time. I didn't really see any harm it what she was doing). I have a feeling that she just might be trying to put some attention on me by pointing out obvious facts about my actions. The more my name gets said, the more (most likely bad) attention I get..... Which basically rules out that if I'm innocent Charms must be aswell and vice versa. There is always a chance that her actions may be purely innocent, just like mine, but even so......

vote: Charms

And, yes, I am aware that scum will sometimes lynch their own to try and make themselves look more innocent, and have a higher chance of winning, so take this however the Hell you want. The only reason why I say it is becuase some one would probably bring it up anyway.......

And if you don't know....now you know.



.......And who said what about me wanting a claim?

Dark Lady, nearly everything you just said was WIFOM, and therefore can not be counted as evidence at all. If you ARE scum, you've obviously thought about what you think scumpartners would do, since you just told us. Therefore, if you ARE scum, you would specifically avoid doing the things that you just told us scum would do, so that you could turn around and say "look, I didn't do what scum would do, I'm protown!"

That is EXACTLY what you are doing right now. On top of that, you just voted and unvoted Charms for no reason. Do you or do you not think Charms is the most likely person to be scum? If you do, why did you unvote her? If you don't, why did you vote her in the first place?

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http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=WIFOM

Dark Lady, please stop giving us stream-of-consciousness posts. You're making posts that are hard to read, and hard to understand. I suggest that you hit preview before posting and try to edit your posts so people can actually see what you are getting at.

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Unvote, Vote: Malrokin

We don't have time for "information" lynches. We get like two days to find scum barring anything miraculous happening, and this is one of them. Let's not waste it. I doubt Dark Lady is scum.

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This is a discussion about WIFOM (click here)


Joubert, I'm talking about time in terms of the game, not real life days.

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Unvote

DLS: Please answer my question of why you wanted a claim even though you unvoted as wanting a person to claim their role is a sign you think they are scum, unvoting is a sign you do not think they are scum.

MoS: Do you believe newbies as scum are more likely to suggest the idea of lynching for information? If so, why?

Charms: What is your take on why MoS is voting for you?

Oh and I have been busy all this week and will be even more busy this weekend, I promise a nice large post on Monday though. I have just read this game over from the start and I would like those questions answered.

Thanks.

Newbie scum are always more likely to suggest something that benefits scum, by way of the fact that they are scum.

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*bump*

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*bump*

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We're lynching Malrokin

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Unvote, Vote: Charms

Run 'er up, people!

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Joubert, I have made 6 votes in 31 posts, and 2 of those votes were random dice rolls at the beginning of the game. So, if we discount those, that's only 4 votes, and the last three were all over a week apart. That is not "often".

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Mafia aren't allowed to communicate during the daytime. That doesn't mean they can't pull it off, though. I think we should be lynching Charms over Dark Lady, though.

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Roles

At any time, day or night, you may talk with your mafia partner privately. You win the game when the mafia outnumbers the town.

Please note that this is a variation from the usual Mafia rules. Most games do not allow the Mafia to talk privately, except during the Night.

WHOA. When did that get there? That is NOT how these games are supposed to work. Damn you BMQ for deviating from the norm!

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Unvote, Vote: TheSweatpantsNinja

This is as good as lead as any.

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Nice Alt.

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I will not be able to post content until next week. I have an Ultimate tournament this weekend.

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Dark_Lady, now that you have claimed, please quote the clues you left towards being cop. There is no point in making us look for them.

Second, even though you are most suspicious of HS, I want you to seriously consider not investigating him. I'm not telling you not to think of him as an option, but if HS is innocent and the scum are sure you will investigate him, you've given them a way to nullify your investigation tonight. So don't rule him out completely, because he could be scum, but don't tell us who you're going to investigate, either.

Sorry for not being on.. if you check my recent posts I have not posted anywhere or in any of my games.

Generally, I find that scum are more likely not to read the rules as they have less to gain. The fact that TSN knew of its existance

in the rules

is a point in his/her favor.
MoS' quick jumping on with

This is as good as lead as any.

and him dropping Charms so quickly is hugely suspicious.

Unvote, Vote MoS

A) the charms wagon was going nowhere and the game was stalling
B) what makes you think I "dropped" charms? I still suspect him.

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Charms, I didn't ask you to point out clues. I asked her. I saw some things that made me fairly sure she was hinting, but everybody was all like "oh, let's vote Dark_Lady!"

Either way, I want her to point out her clues, because I want to make sure she wasn't bullshitting us.

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First, I'm not an alt, I promise. I just started playing mafia on a different forum.

I'm not convinced, but that's not important. *shrug*

Second, ultimate? Who do you play for? I'm a college player too, (I assume).

Illinois. We went 7-1 this weekend, going undefeated until the championship game against Washington University (from STL).

Who do you play for?

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And no, I didn't vote MoS for vote hopping, I voted him for being opportunistic and abandoning a case he's been pushing for the majority of the day. Nice misrepresentation though.

Sorry for not being on.. if you check my recent posts I have not posted anywhere or in any of my games.

Generally, I find that scum are more likely not to read the rules as they have less to gain. The fact that TSN knew of its existance

in the rules

is a point in his/her favor.
MoS' quick jumping on with

This is as good as lead as any.

and him dropping Charms so quickly is hugely suspicious.

Unvote, Vote MoS

A) the charms wagon was going nowhere and the game was stalling
B) what makes you think I "dropped" charms? I still suspect him.

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Wow.

Unvote, Vote: Joubert

That post severely stunk of scum who thought they could make a strong argument to get DLS lynched today, despite the cop claim.

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Dark_Lady has had a lot of evidence to back up her claim. She's been dropping breadcrumbs for it all game, and I was pretty sure she was the cop *before* she claimed. I was saying we shouldn't vote her before she got wagoned to a claim, so don't act like I suddenly changed my mind because of her claim. It was pretty obvious she was innocent before that.

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dunno...

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Fine.

Unvote, Vote: Happiest Sadist

Look at Joubert and TSPN tomorrow.

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lolz.

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WTF, how did we lose? I nailed both scum Day 1. On top of that, my death should have confirmed to you that they were scum, since they killed me for nailing them. Gah, at least I'm still sharp. Y'all need to listen to your ICs more often.

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Fine.

Unvote, Vote: Happiest Sadist

Look at Joubert and

TSPN

tomorrow.

I fingered TSPN a lot harder than Joubert, and I probably spent more time talking about my suspicion of Charms than any other player in the game. I'm not infallible, but I was on the right track at least. As far as my hammer goes, you would have to be crazy to believe that an IC would hammer like that as scum. I would *never* hammer on Day 1 like that if I was scum. That's a guarantee. Scum are too careful to do something like that. Hammering on day 1 is a high risk, low return move, so there's no reason for scum to do it.

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That's the point. ^.^