Mastermind of Sin[3](Oman, White, pwayne66)
theopor_COD[2](vollkan, tyhess)
tyhess[2](ac1983fan, Trojan Horse)
Flameaxe[1](Dr. Blackstrike)
Dr. Blackstrike[1](Mastermind of Sin)
ac1983fan[1](theopor_COD)
Not Voting[2](Flameaxe, curiouskarmadog)
White, did you read?Flameaxe wrote:I was prodded, but alas! I are here. To make it simple, I forgot to mention that this week happened to be homecoming week at my school, and I have had very little access because of it. Will re-read tomorrow probably, depending on workloads.
(Already let the mod know but: I will also be away from Thurs.-Mon. next week.)
well this is getting old, I think I agree with Theo on this..ac1983fan wrote:sorry for not posting, im here, i meant to read and post yeasterday, but i got interuppted... sorry,
Hard to say. Mafia, I guess.White wrote: Ok, so would you say Tyhess is acting more like mafia or cultist?
Hmm... you mean because he hasn't really gone after anyone yet, and didn't post a full breakdown of his opinions? Hmm... maybe I better do a little research. I'll go see if this is normal for him at this early stage.White wrote: What do you think of MoS's deliberate refusal to help the town find scum?
I realized that as I was typing it out. I'll keep an eye out for more definitive evidence, but I'm struggling at this point.theopor_COD wrote: This all seems very nicey nicey. Everyone kinda seems nice.
This sort of thing is something I am noticing in a few games and it confuses me a little. I don't know exactly what it is in my behaviour that is taken as "judge"-like and, likewise, I don't know whether this is good or bad for me.White wrote: Vollkan - I particularily don't like that Vollkan has run into virtually zero opposition to all of his views. He comes across like a mediator and judge, his words supercede others. This I don't like. However he hasn't really done anything deserving of a scum metal.
The mod prodded me to let me know the game had started. Didn't people call for me to be prodded or something? I can't really remember the first few pages anymore.Trojan Horse wrote:Mastermind of Sin:So far, seems to have been playing exactly as per form, except for the fact that he didn't jump in until some time had passed. Unusual for a veteran like him, but perhaps he just forgot about this game.
On top of that, I'm still waiting for anyone to show that my response was overreactingvollkan wrote:My scumdar:
Mastermind of Sin:Lurker and then just posted theory stuff. Things seem to have sparked off with #209 which was the “Theo and Flame seem genuine” post. Evidently, people think he has been overly-defensive, though I am a little unsure as to whether I would react differently if someone accused me of having a "developed plan". I don't think the suspicion of him is unreasonable or baseless, but I don't feel strongly about MoS yet.
And yet you express no suspicion of anybody, other then that you are watching BS over the stuff from page 2.Tyhess wrote: theopor_COD: Still my vote. Possibility to change quickly.
I'm not going to argue that you are too defensive. i think that you were, but I also think this is a strawman. The meat of my argument is evasiveness and a refusal to help the town.On top of that, I'm still waiting for anyone to show that my response was overreacting at all. As far as I recall, my response at the time was fairly logically based and non-emotional, which is not something that is paired with overreactive and defensive. However, I will state that a response such as that is not the norm for me, but I don't really have a reason for why I acted differently. Normally, my response *would* be one of incredulity, but I guess I decided to see if Oman could back up his accusations or something.
MoS wrote:
He's smart enough to not mess up this early as town,
WIFOM. What do you think of his strange work on Blackstrike?
The content of this post doesn't seem to make alot of sense, but I agree with it in spirit.The follow up post ot that hardly has me thinking that either MoS has a developed plan on theo and Flame or that theo and flame really are genuine.
Unvote Vote MoS This is rediculous.
and thenAfter MoS' one post saying "Theo good, Flameaxe good" I asked him for more and he said...
At which point both his "developed plan" comment and his bandwagon comment become strawmen for a beautifully executed evasion of the original question.e completly brushes over the fact that flameaxe came under the microscope not for vote hopping, but for his poor case on Blackstrike.
His analysis of theo is in my mind incorrect, as even scum can have content, and that doesn't mean they're pro-town.
Basically his reluctance to jump on either of the major wagons for reasons I don't like make me think he's scummy.
A simultaneous defence of MoS' refusal to answer the question while restating the origninal question.MoS has ignored the actual reasons for the suspicions, but why does that make him scummy?
Also, MoS, what do you think of the actual cases against Theo and Flame?
An odd responce. The fact that somebody would not read every post in the thread seems unhelpful. How is MoS supposed to understand why anybody is voting for anybody else if he doesn't read their reasons? This deliberate handicap seems to let MoS off the hook though as Vollkan is quick to respond in 232I didn't read any cases on them. I wasn't going to be influenced in my opinions when asked to say what I think of them, because it's all too easy to just paraphrase the case and make yourself look good without really trying to say what you think. I only read their posts in isolation before saying how I felt about them.
Fair enough; this is a very reasonable thing to do.
In post 233 Oman states:MoS wrote:
So, your theory is that I'm scum and They're possibly scum
scumMY! I don't know you're scum. My theory is that you are connected to one if not both in some way. I don't think there is three scum in this game (rules post), but I believe there is a connection or if they're town., you're trying to form one (buddying up).
followed a very ironic:My biggest problem was not that he didn't see them as scummy, but that he gave crap reasons for it, AND ignored half the case, Vollkan.
from MoS, considering that Oman has played along and answered all the questions asked of him and you still won't answer his one question!Apparently I'm not the only one ignoring things...^^
to which MoS replies:Talk about brains hurting, I'm not even sure I follow what is going on anymore
It seems that:
1) MoS posts defending FlameAxe and Theo
2) Oman calls him out for it
3) MoS and Vollkan beat the hell out of him over semantical issues.
4) Lost in the dust is any answers from MoS on how he reconciles Flameaxes' actions against the Doc. Lost is his answers about how posting content clears Theo.
5) MoS doesn't bother reading other's viewpoints as they might influence him
6) This is AOK with Volkan.
Am I missing something?
MoS seems unconcerned about #4 and not answering questions.I'm not arguing semantics. You missed that.
Now, I don't want to give away the ending here but, I haven't got an answer for that either...As an IC, do you think the town ought to take to accepting "x feels protown" , "I think x is geniune" and "scum wouldn't do x" as reasonable statements that should be accepted without question?
vollkan wrote:Tyhess, I am a little confused.
And yet you express no suspicion of anybody, other then that you are watching BS over the stuff from page 2.Tyhess wrote: theopor_COD: Still my vote. Possibility to change quickly.
As such, why do you say you vote could change quickly? It almost looks like you are trying to give yourself a way out to jump on a wagon.