Mini 479: Care Bears Mafia - Abandoned in Every Way.

[Skruffs]

Forgiven, forgotten, QMan. I'll never forgive Kwanton for being a cop thuogh. NEVER.

[Kwanton]

Heh. 3 cop claims in 1 game. that's the second weirdest mafia I've been in....


Regardless, if you guys want to think I'm scummy go ahead. but you're really nit-picking on something minor. yea i did think that there was a vig. I EXPLAINED MY REASONS MULTIPLE TIMES. I love how you people who are calling me scummy are just quoting the fact that I chastised the supposed vig and leaving out my legitimate reasoning behind it. For the sake of moving this game along, I think that getting a deathlock on something that minor is more scummy than what I did.

[Dr. Blackstrike]

Please don't let this die again.

-Doc "Post something!" Blackstrike

[Bob700]

Hm.. So now what? We have feelings on Kwanton, and many people aren't talking. We also have a deadline to work with. We have to get something done!

And, because random voting is long over...

Unvote: Dr. Blackstrike

[MissMoo]

We also have a deadline to work with.

Did I miss that we have a deadline?

As I said before, everyone I am suspicious of is possibly because they were the only ones actually posting. I'm still leery of Kwanton's assumption that we have a vig as I hope a vig wouldn't just randomly kill without having a read on people.

That said, if we are on a deadline, that's where my vote will be going. If we're not, I'd like to get to know you folks a bit better.

[Nanosauromo]

It could be a newbie vig. I've seen games where newbies vigkilled on night 1, thinking that they HAD to kill each night.

[Bob700]

Did I miss that we have a deadline?

Deadline

:

September 16th, 21:00 GMT+1

.

Five days. We need to get working.

[Dr. Blackstrike]

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Five days. We need to get working.

So everybody make that list like I said.

-Doc "see my last few post" Blackstrike

[CrashTextDummie]

Wasn't aware that we're under a deadline. Here are some thoughts:

Jex

- His attack on Kwanton felt odd and and somewhat reaching to me.

wow! Can we say overkill? Big FOS Kwanton for completely over reacting to a pretty much random vote

Deathstrike's vote on Kwanton was pretty obviously anything but a random vote, so this whole attack is pretty much based on a false assumption.

He later justified his vote with this:

the first to dismiss the idea of an SK and guess that it was a vigilante. I would never have though it to be a vigilante killing on the first night.

This quote bugs me also:

Also I think I read that this is a non-vanilla game so if all mafia members have an additional power, then an SK would make the game terribly unbalanced even if there was a resurector role.

Where did you read about this at? I would assume that mafia wouldn't have power roles unless maybe they activate certain nights like other roles (although I don't know how many roles activate and how many work always if any.)

Both fair points to make, but I really don't see how this makes Kwanton scummy. It appears to me like Jex has little more than a disagreement with Kwanton on game-balance and vig-behavior, yet he uses them to paint Kwanton in a scummy light ("this quote bugs me also").

And his third point against Kwanton:

Last, I find it interesting that these are how Kwanton responds to anyone that points his way:

Right now it looks like your fishing for a nonexistent reason to vote me.

If that makes you suspicious maybe you're "reading just a tad bit too much into this"

it seems like you're fishing for a reason to vote. To me it seems scummy that you're willing tojump on any little thing.....

These are said to three different people on different subjects. I found it interesting.

That's a rather underhanded way to attack someone. Instead of explaining

why

he found those quotes "interesting" (something I can't quite follow), he seems to want to bait Kwanton into digging his own grave.

Overall, I consider Jex a scum-candidate.

Dr. Blackstrike

- He's been telling people to talk for a long time now, yet he's not doing any talking either.

I'll think about it though, and maybe you can persaude me to move my vote.

Don't like this post at all. It has a vibe of Burden of Proof.

Let's just get a deadline and be done with it.

Very anti-town sentiment.

Coupled with the fact that he suggested mass-claim and tried to pass off a completely useless LoS as "conversation", I see him as a scum-candidate as well.

MissMoo

- Somewhat inconsistent. She initially FoSed both Kwanton and Somada for a supposed slip, yet for some reason, Somada was completely dropped out of the equation at some point. This has been somewhat of a running theme, as she's dropped a number of suspects quitely:
First suspicion: Kwanton and Somada (for thinking there was a vig kill)
Second suspicion: Jex, Kwanton and Dr. Deathstrike (for no stated reason)
Third suspicion: Kwanton (for thinking there was a vig kill)

That progression doesn't quite add up to anything I'd expect from a pro-town player. Scummy.

Bob700

- Utterly useless. Why haven't I seen anything worth reading from you?

Qman

- No post for over a month. Why?

Nanosauromo

- Nothing to analyze.

Somada

- Pretty decent vibes. How refreshing.

Kwanton

- While I agree that the assumption we have a vig is somewhat odd, I don't think he's deserving of as much scrutiny as he received. One of the perks of a night-start game is that you have something to discuss from the get-go (nightkills), so for him to analyze the kill is not inherently anti-town. His subsequent defense sounded pretty sound and reasonable to me. The one thing that bothers me about him is that he's done nothing little more than defend himself. Who are you suspicious of, Kwanton? Why aren't you voting anyone?

Skruffs

- Why did I beat you to a proper analysis?!

See, that wasn't so hard.

Vote: Dr. Deathstrike

Would vote Jex or MissMoo if necessary at deadline.

[Dr. Blackstrike]

Dr. Blackstrike

- He's been telling people to talk for a long time now, yet he's not doing any talking either.

*shrugs* not much to talk about in recent times.

I'll think about it though, and maybe you can persaude me to move my vote.

Don't like this post at all. It has a vibe of Burden of Proof.

I was just saying that I would move if I had a good reason.

Let's just get a deadline and be done with it.

Very anti-town sentiment.

Made in a moment of frustration. But yeah, a pretty stupid thing to ask for.

Coupled with the fact that he suggested mass-claim and tried to pass off a completely useless LoS as "conversation", I see him as a scum-candidate as well.

What does LoS mean?

-Doc "I hope defending yourself isn't scummy... because I'm pretty much screwed if it is." Blackstrike

[Skruffs]

i'm trying guys - crashtextdummy beat me to an analysis. I am shamed, and should probably be lynched for it.
expect more tonight

[Kwanton]

Kwanton

- While I agree that the assumption we have a vig is somewhat odd, I don't think he's deserving of as much scrutiny as he received. One of the perks of a night-start game is that you have something to discuss from the get-go (nightkills), so for him to analyze the kill is not inherently anti-town. His subsequent defense sounded pretty sound and reasonable to me. The one thing that bothers me about him is that he's done nothing little more than defend himself. Who are you suspicious of, Kwanton? Why aren't you voting anyone?

Well this is mostly because of the people relentlessly accusing me. i actually did say that I suspected those who made the same points over and over against me. here is the quote:

Regardless, if you guys want to think I'm scummy go ahead. but you're really nit-picking on something minor. yea i did think that there was a vig. I EXPLAINED MY REASONS MULTIPLE TIMES. I love how you people who are calling me scummy are just quoting the fact that I chastised the supposed vig and leaving out my legitimate reasoning behind it. For the sake of moving this game along, I think that getting a deathlock on something that minor is more scummy than what I did.

So basically Jex. The others who accused me haven't done it as vehemently and it's good to accuse people to get something going, but Jex went completely OD on such a minor thing and held onto it like a winning lottery ticket. This is far from OMGUS, I'm actually holding back my vote cuz I'm the one he's accusing, but if he did this to anyone else I'd vote so fast........[/quote]

[Qman]

Qman

- No post for over a month. Why?

I had asked for replacement the day after GL last post on the boards, i was neck deep in time constraints. SO I didn't even check the thread until I got a PM from the new mod.

[Jex]

I've said before why I hung onto the Kwanton thing. No one was talking in this game, it had completely died. I had nothing much to go on, so I wanted to see how people reacted to a few different posts. Therefore I overly accused Kwanton. However, the plan didn't really help get anyone talking. It merely just made people say hmm and join a bandwagon.

[Skruffs]

Trying to stimulate a game should never get someone lynched.

Similarly, Kwanton's assumption that the kill wasn't an SK but was rather a vig could be from a variety of things, some town, some not. It's not like he said "good work doctor on protecting Jex!" or something along those lines (I used Jex's name because she's the last one to post before me)

[Dr. Blackstrike]

Deadline is tomarrow.

-Doc "I like my vote where it is for now" Blackstrike

[Jex]

Well...deadline is tomorrow and my internet dies tonight. There isn't a ton to go off of so far. I really don't know who to vote for at this point, and I don't like the idea of having no control over my vote close to the deadline. Therefore, I am choosing not to vote at this point, and apologize for not really being able to help.

On a similar note, I have extremely limited access to the internet over this next week but will try to participate as much as I can.

[Skruffs]

Kwanton - if you are lynched tomorrow, you might as well claim now. It might help save your life, if you are town, or it may not. The only other wagon right now is Dr Blackstrike, and he seems to be pretty enthused about the game.

[Kwanton]

A claim will save my life if you guys believe me. And the nature of it will probably deter people from wanting to NK me too so I have no problem with a claim, but I don't want to unless I need to since I am against claims for no reason.

[Zindaras]

Eh, I'm going to be nice and give you a bit of a deadline extension. The new deadline is

September 18th, 21:00 GMT+1

.

[Dr. Blackstrike]

A claim will save my life if you guys believe me. And the nature of it will probably deter people from wanting to NK me too so I have no problem with a claim, but I don't want to unless I need to since I am against claims for no reason.

"No reason?" It would save you from lynch.


-Doc "I'd say more but there's not more to say" Blackstrike

[Kwanton]

"save me from a lynch"?

How many votes are on me right now? I think I'm even close to a lynch.

[Zindaras]

Vote Count

Kwanton (2)- Dr. Blackstrike, Skruffs
Dr. Blackstrike (2)- Somada, CrashTextDummie
Nanosauromo (1)- Qman
Qman (1)- Nanosauromo

Not voting (4)- Bob700, MissMoo, Kwanton, Jex

Under the current deadline rules, there's a 50/50 lynch chance between Kwanton and Dr. Blackstrike.

[Kwanton]

Under the current deadline rules, there's a 50/50 lynch chance between Kwanton and Dr. Blackstrike.

vote Dr.Blackstrike

then. Jex looked more scummy to me but Dr. black was second. And this is really the only option that will make a difference.

[Bob700]

I really don't know who to vote for... If anyone. To me, I don't see too much to justify a vote.