Magic: The Gathering,GO TEAM MS!

[Ythan]

Dude if you think I'm angry you're delusional.

[Klazam]

Scrub = shitty player?



Eh, netdecking is a thing, for a reason. Its just the fact that there exists prizes. For 100% casual games with nothing on the line, netdecking shouldnt exist, outside of very interesting decks that cannot be built any other way (of which theres very few)

[Natirasha]

Scrub means someone who doesn't play to win and complains about outside factors to justify their loss.

Conveniently, exactly what Ythan is doing here. But I don't really subscribe to the classic play to win theory hence why I said tryhard is a bad term.

[Ythan]

Nat I'm sorry if you get personally offended when I criticize unoriginality. You shouldn't, you're pretty creative with defining the words I use.

[Klazam]

./shrug

Gonna bow out of the discussion- if we're talking about sanctioned formats, that isnt an outlet for creativity period. Only real place for 100% creativity is at the kitchen table and assorted casual formats. Theres basically nothing more to say to that than that.

[Natirasha]

? Academically, in competitive gaming, that is literally the meaning of scrub. I think you're being overly silly and not understanding the words you use and have different ideals when it comes to Magic, but I'm not offended.

[InflatablePie]

guys

the more important point to argue is that Bulky Swords Dance MegaScizor is superior to CBandScizor.

[InflatablePie]

Unless you're playing VGC because you're better off running Kangaskhan as your mega but I digress

[Natirasha]

I haven't touched Pokémon since Gen V, and really my hayday was Gen IV, where classic Band Scizor was pretty much the best.

[Espeonage]

guys

the more important point to argue is that Bulky Swords Dance MegaScizor is superior to CBandScizor.

And Scarf Scizor is superior to both and the most severely underrated set in existence.

[Salamence20]

guys

the more important point to argue is that Bulky Swords Dance MegaScizor is superior to CBandScizor.

And Scarf Scizor is superior to both and the most severely underrated set in existence.

Who scarfs their scizor?

Bullet Punch, man.

(But thats why we always carry a Talonflame now, because of you fuckers)

[Salamence20]

I haven't touched Pokémon since Gen V, and really my hayday was Gen IV, where classic Band Scizor was pretty much the best.

I remember when I destroyed the Battle Frontier in Gen III with a Swampert, Minun, and Crobat

[Espeonage]

guys

the more important point to argue is that Bulky Swords Dance MegaScizor is superior to CBandScizor.

And Scarf Scizor is superior to both and the most severely underrated set in existence.

Who scarfs their scizor?

Bullet Punch, man.

(But thats why we always carry a Talonflame now, because of you fuckers)

People who realised that scizor actually has a lot of the tools that make a good scarfer who can scout and revenge kill in to a wider variety of threats than other sets can. You do lose the ability to revenge some things, but it's a different set of cool things you get. Like you can revenge a Heatran as scarf scizor, which you can't as any other set.

[Salamence20]

Like you can revenge a Heatran as scarf scizor, which you can't as any other set.

...... With what?

Scizor doesnt have a move with enough power to even poke Heatran, not to mention quad-resist to everything.

[Espeonage]

Superpower, a staple move on Scizor.

[Sudo_Nym]

Frankly, I always liked Life Orb Nidoking. He gets that ability that gives +30% damage to attacks that have status effects, and he gets Earthquake/Flamethrower/Thunderbolt/HP Ice for almost perfect coverage, and he resists Stealth Rock and is immune to Poison Spikes. I used to run a BP team that used Gorebyss to pass Shell Smash to him, and then he'd sweep everything. And nobody else ever ran it, so nobody knew how to counter it. Tons of fun, and completely original.

Screw it, I agree with Ythan now.

[Espeonage]

Earth Power hits harder after Sheer Force without forcing you to go mixed.

[Salamence20]

BP teams are so fun.

[Sudo_Nym]

True; I probably am misremembering my moveset. That said, Shell Smash is still doubling your Att, Sp.Att., and Speed, so it's not such a problem.

[Salamence20]

XY Competitive Team:

MegaKahn
Fake Out
Power Up Punch (Swords Dance with damage)
Return
Sucker Punch

Focus Sash Gengar
Destiny Bond
Sludge Bomb
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt

Life Orb Garchomp
Swords Dance
Outrage
Iron Head
Earthquake

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Netdecking happens for me when I think "these cards are pretty cool, I kinda want to play these," and then see a deck that is nearly the same thing. While I will copy large parts of the deck, I'm going to make substitutions based on card availability. The big question on not winning is why go to a ton of extra work to make a deck that's similar, yet probably worse than a netdeck?

And my definition of scrub is along the lines of someone who calls part of a game unfair/not part of the game, doesn't use it and calls out people who do for using something unfair/not part of the game. That said, netdecking doesn't absolutely have to be part of the game with magic, but it kindof is by now in competitive formats. If you want to win without netdecking, fine, but don't take away from other people's enjoyment if they want to.

Also, on netdecking, I'd imagine some people still may not netdeck, but deck design space is not infinite, and powerful decks will be powerful decks. That said, not every powerful deck will be found because too many damn people netdeck, but whatever.

[InflatablePie]

Siveure I think you're in the wrong thread

[InflatablePie]

Also Heatran really isn't a problem if you're running Lando T which, let's face it, you are, so that's not a great incentive to run scarf scizor. There's much better Scarfers to run, although I'm drawing a blank on examples right now.

[Ythan]

A scrub is a guy that thinks he's fly and is also known as a buster.

[Glork]

Guys, please take the competitive Pokemon discussion to another thread and get this one back on topic.

Thanks in advance.