Open Countdown! Mini 487! GAME OVER!

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD, you know as well as anyone else that the SK has no intention of helping anyone by taking your dare.

Again, you are speaking for the SK...the SK should be trying to hit mafia now...not lurkers or town

however, if he has a desire to hit lurkers or town, please hit me...this way the next lynch will be Kinetic...I am town, once the town knows this, they will see that Kinetic was strongly pushing my lynch.

MGM and Kinetic...if you are so sure I am scum...why you do care at all if I am goading the SK to kill me? Wouldnt that be one more "scum" off your list?

No, I think you two know I am town...and you would rather the town waste a lynch.

Please anwser this time. Why do you care if I goad the SK to kill me?

[curiouskarmadog]

THIS...IS...A...LIE.

That quote reminds me of Professor Umbridge from the Harry Potter books. You really don't want me to make such connections by saying stuff like that.

And if you still believe we should go after the SK with the mafia standing ready to overpower us, I don't see how it is possible to win...

ahhh, so you are saying you want the SK to stay alive until he kills more mafia?...if you really think I am mafia...

WHY DO YOU CARE IF I GOAD HIM THEN?

[Mgm]

It sounds like a ploy to come across as town and I care because I know that goading has the opposite effect: the SK won't do it. He doesn't care much who dies, but he can cause both me and Kinetic a lot of grief if he doesn't do it.

[curiouskarmadog]

It sounds like a ploy to come across as town and I care because I know that goading has the opposite effect: the SK won't do it. He doesn't care much who dies, but he can cause both me and Kinetic a lot of grief if he doesn't do it.

Wow...

Again you and Kinetic are buddying up.

Again you speak like you know what the SK will do.

If you say the SK wont do it, wont that make him do it?

So do you want me gone because you think I am mafia..or you just do not like my playstyle? What kind of "grief" am I causing you?

man this post is a huge scum tell

[Mirth]

First, i just want to say, "children, this is no place for namecalling."

Second. I don't like this. :

CKD, stop calling for yourself to be killed. If you

were

a townie as you claim that would be a bad thing, no? I'm sorry, I don't believe you.

[...bunch of stuff...]

Hell I would self hammer myself if it meant a lynch before deadline because I HONESTLY believe the town will lose unless there is some lynch. EVEN if they lynch a townie they still have a chance in hell, which is better than what is going on now.

You attack CKD for calling a kill on himself and then offer to self-hammer. Nice.

I still stand by my suspicion that a mafia pair is either CKD and Hazzel or CKD and Kinetic.

on to CKD: we're not technically at LYLO as long as the serial killer is around and there are at least two townies.

MGM: so you're saying we should keep the SK alive for now? Why exactly?

After this last exchange, I'm probably not moving my vote off Kinetic. I figure I havw a 1/2 chance of being right (as I know my role, that least 8 of you whose roles I do not know, with four of the said eight being evil puppy-kicking maniacs . Hence decent odds.)

Also, I really don't like how Heather isn't saying anything. And Xyzzy hasn't said anything. I'm not big on lurker votes, but they might make me change my opinion. I ask them to please comment on something.

[Mgm]

MGM: so you're saying we should keep the SK alive for now? Why exactly?

9 people alive: 3 mafia, 1 SK and 5 townies. If the SK dies, there's a significant chance of the town losing to the mafia because all it takes is two wrong lynches. Allowing the SK to stay alive means he can (willingly or not) kill off mafia.

If he leaves too much mafia alive, the mafia can gang up on the SK with their collected votes and kill him for the win. (Especially, if they can convince a few townies to join in).

[Mirth]

Yes, I understand that, but, as he should theoretically have an easier time avoiding a lynch (there is only one of him, after all, and he's not aiming for a majority), he should be able to hide better, so leaving him alive isn't something I want to aim for.

[curiouskarmadog]

MGM: so you're saying we should keep the SK alive for now? Why exactly?

9 people alive: 3 mafia, 1 SK and 5 townies. If the SK dies, there's a significant chance of the town losing to the mafia because all it takes is two wrong lynches. Allowing the SK to stay alive means he can (willingly or not) kill off mafia.

If he leaves too much mafia alive, the mafia can gang up on the SK with their collected votes and kill him for the win. (Especially, if they can convince a few townies to join in).

best you better be sure where your vote is...

[Mgm]

Yes, I understand that, but, as he should theoretically have an easier time avoiding a lynch (there is only one of him, after all, and he's not aiming for a majority), he should be able to hide better, so leaving him alive isn't something I want to aim for.

If the alternative is losing to the mafia, I DO want to aim for it.

[Kinetic]

Stop. Acting. Like. This. CKD.

You're not listening to your own backwards logic. You think I'm mafia or SK, so your coloring everything I do like that because of it. Everything I say, you think has malice. Everything I do has some weird ulterior motive.

Do this for me: Re-read everything I've written, but just imagine that I'm town while doing it. Imagine that I'm confirmed and see that there is a possibility that some of my mistakes are not intentional like you think but they are clumsy or misguided.

I still think you're scum, but for some reason I'm having a few doubts about you. And they have nothing to do with you. I'm at work, and I really can't explain, later tonight I will though.

[heatherlou]

Honestly, I thought we had this in the bag. I am standing behind my HazzelQ lynch. Especally with all this vote jumping going on, I personally think it is imparitive to get a scum lynch by deadline. While it would be nice to lynch the SK, i think they are gonna be harder to find/agree on. I think Hazzel is mafia, not the SK, but I think they are (or at least were) the most agreed on lynch, so that we can get some scum out of the way. I don't have a full on scum list. Out of the Kinetic/CKD arguement, I'd be more inclinced to agree with Kinetic. however I'm not sure on either of you. CKD your total encouragement of finding the SK above all else seems scummy to me. I see what you're trying to say because the SK is the one killing all of us, but town doesn't win until we find all the scum. Lynching scum of any kind is important.

[Raffles]

CKD: Just isolate Stewie's posts. It's the last one he made.

MGM: That's a nasty gamble you are taking. What if SK hits town instead of mafia? Then town are put into a worse position.

Mirth: Sorry for not answering the previous question. By "just yet" I mean yes indeed my vote can swing, just as I'm going to vote for you if you show up to me as somewhat scummy.

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD: Just isolate Stewie's posts. It's the last one he made.

I meant to address (or reread this today) but got side tracked by Kinetic's posts..I will hit it tomorrow

[Mgm]

Why wait an entire day if you still have at least 12 hours to do it today?
We can't afford to wait.

[Mgm]

MGM: That's a nasty gamble you are taking. What if SK hits town instead of mafia? Then town are put into a worse position.

Right now, the mafia is on the brink of winning. If the SK dies we can afford one (or 2?) mislynch(es) before we lose. If the SK remains alive, 7 people can die before we lose to the SK. Yes, we run the risk of losing, but I'd rather take my chances with the second scenario than the first.

[Mgm]

Hello? Anyone? We can't afford to go silent.
Talk. Vote. Lynch!

[curiouskarmadog]

OK raffles, let me look again...bold is me.

Since you asked, and HazzelQ doesn't understand, I'll reiterate what I said last page (ie: my case against HazzelQ).

1. HazzelQ makes a comment which only scum would say, namely she says that we can afford to lose a townie. Someone who is pro-town would also be a townie, and would therefore not say that we can afford to lose a townie, since the same argument could be used against them.

Stewie has a point, this is a scummy thing to say...what is the post number on this so I can look at Hazzel's post?

2. She explains this by saying that she confused this game with another game. Fair enough, except...
3. She does it again, this time saying she should RC. Once again, she apologises right after, claiming that she confused this game with another. I don't believe a townie would be careless enough to confuse the games in such a manner twice, and therefore I believe she is scum. Not having the townie PM, she forgets that there are no power roles.

this is a stretch I think. I think confusing games could go the other way too. She could have a boring townie role here, so she really is not following the thread...

4. Saying that she confused the games before anyone else picked up on it only means that she noticed the mistake before anyone else did, so it's a null tell.

I am in another game with Hazzel and I am not impressed with her playstyle, content (or lack thereof), or comments. I do not think this case against Hazzel presented by Stewie is enough. That being said, I think the way that Kinetic has presented himself the past two pages indicates to me that a.) Hazzel might be scum and b.) Kinetic knows Hazzel is scum. I would rather place my vote on someone who is scummy and could be mafia OR the SK (Kinetic). I do not think there is anyway Hazzel could be the SK. However, I will vote Hazzel if needed before deadline...I strongly suggest we lynch Kinetic instead. But know, once we lynch the SK will strike again unless we hit someone that has potentional to be the SK...

[Raffles]

I agree that we should finish SK soon (I don't really agree with MGM's strategy, I'd prefer to use scum hunting skills to say, entrusting SK to kill off scum) but I think there is a good enough evidence to lynch HazzelQ even if he almost definitely won't turn out to be a SK. If he turns up scum, it would help us enormously, even if SK is still alive.

[curiouskarmadog]

when do we think the SK deadline is? A week for Pooky's post?

[Mgm]

Just Sunday. Thinking about a time is cutting it too close.

[Mirth]

Raffles: I'm not a fan of veiled threats. If you want to vote for me, go right ahead, just please be diret about it.

MGM: Right now I'm really not sure what to make of you with you keeping the SK alive strategy.

Also if we lynch, we should lynch tomorrow.

[Raffles]

Mirth: You misunderstand me, it's not a veiled threat. I'm making a generalisation that I would vote for anyone scummy, which is normal.

I need a

vote count

sharpish.

[Mgm]

MGM: Right now I'm really not sure what to make of you with you keeping the SK alive strategy.

I think I explained it clearly enough. What's there not to get?

If we lynch the SK now, we can afford two mislynches (non-mafia) before it's over. If we leave him alive, we can afford the death of 6 people (3 kills, 3 lynches) before we're toast. The SK can't doublecross us, because leaving mafia alive would threaten his own win.

Do I have to tell you which scenario has the better chances?

[Mgm]

VC:
4 HazzelQ(Kinetic, MGM, Stewie HeatherLou)
1 MGM ( HazzelQ)
1 Kinetic(CuriousKarmaDog)

There's your vote count, post 298. Since then Mirth voted Kinetic and Kinetic and I voted CKD.

[curiouskarmadog]

Just Sunday. Thinking about a time is cutting it too close.

and where exactly is your vote?