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[DeathSauce]

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hmmm, looks like I screwed that up completely.

Oh well,

vote: ryan

He knows why.

[DeathSauce]

Deathsauce voted me (I think) for a game I'm either modding that he's in or a game that I was scum in and he was nightkilled by my team (or am I wrong Deathsauce?)

Actually I was just being a goof. I won't drag any baggage from other games into this one (other than the fact that I know you are SCUM!)

[DeathSauce]

Agreed. Lurker hunting can be used to great advantage by scum. Complete WIFOM. I hate WIFOM.

unvote, vote FeRnAnDo

[DeathSauce]

I was being honest, I hate day one WIFOM. It happens all the time, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.


In the meantime, I find ChocolateAttack's grammar painful, and his vote-jumping weird and suspicious, so I'll lay a heavy HoS:ChocolateAttack.

[DeathSauce]

I thought you were probably ESL, sorry about that. The text abbreviations are a little annoying, though.

I still claim your behavior to be suspicious. If you vote to pressure a lurker, you can't be suspicious of them just because your tactic works and they stop lurking.

[DeathSauce]

WIFOM

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If there was something, then me and Fernando wouldn't have FOS'ed each other.

You think scum don't FOS each other? It happens all the time. In fact it would be pretty stupid scum not to do it at least once.

I'm happy with my vote on Fernando

[DeathSauce]

My FoS on Chocolate Attack was because of his vote-jumping and for bad logic, the grammar thing was a side comment.

I don't really think there has been enough activity to do a PBPA analysis of everyone, and TylerJ's is reasonably accurate so I would just be typing the same things over. The only thing I would add is that MoS seems to spend a lot of time saying he isn't scum.

I find Fernando, Chocolate Attack, and MoS to be the most suspicious at the moment.

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Ryan I think you are blowing that post way out of proportion. You are seizing on it like it's the scumtell of the century. Weird.

HoS:ryan

[DeathSauce]

Sorry I haven't been around but real life got in the way.

Anyway, ryan is getting very jumpy, and he did roleclaim in post 178

Expose me and lose a townie th(e)n MoS

And his response to TylerJ about roleclaiming is just silly

Also roleclaiming is NOT a scummy move TylerJ. Are you saying if a power role was about to be lynched they shouldn't claim and be lynched?

Since ryan already claimed to be a townie, and he was not about to be lynched, this is just ryan trying to start an argument. For what purpose?

vote:ryan

[DeathSauce]

So you are voting somebody who's claimed town? How is that not scummy Deathsauce?

Because I don't believe your claim.

I just realized I forgot to unvote last time so;

unvote, vote:ryan

[DeathSauce]

I don't normally see a lynch (especially of a claimed townie)

But WHY are you a claimed townie? That is the burning question. Your own statements say that you support claiming by power roles when they are in danger of being lynched. But you are apparently not a power role, and you were in no imminent danger of being lynched.

The fact that you keep bringing it up makes me think you are trying to convince us by repetition.

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Lets all vote CA for lurking and coming up with a lame excuse to do so. j/k.

At first I didn't see the "j/k" and thought "Wow, that is majorly scummy." And then on second look I saw it and realized that I still think it's scummy, even with the "j/k".

HoS: TylerJ

[DeathSauce]

I'm happy with my vote.

MOD:Please note that I have unvoted and subsequently voted ryan

[DeathSauce]

I'm probably the worst person to ask about what my "playstyle" is, since as far as I know I don't have one. You've been in a few games with me so make your own conclusions.

The fact is that you admitted to "flailing" a few pages ago and it appears that you are still doing so, which makes me think you are scummy. So I voted you.

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I find it very interesting that MoS has begun defending ryan.

He votes for ryan in the random stage, which is essentially meaningless, but it is true that scum often vote their buddies in random.

Then they get into an argument over scum being outed within 3 pages and then that just disappears.

A few posts later he votes Ryan again and spends the next six posts attacking ryan, makes an aside about participation, then goes right after ryan again.

But now that the votes have begin to build, he does a quick 180 and finds others that have voted ryan to be suspicious?

MoS, you have spent approximately 5/6 of your posts in this game attacking ryan, then turn around and attack another player that AGREES WITH YOU!

Very, very bizarre.

If I had to put money on a scumpair right now I would say ryan/MoS.

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One of the reasons that I have stated at least twice is your propensity to keep saying "I'm not scum"

And you keep asking for "actual content" but when I provide the reasoning behind my vote you don't respond.

But WHY are you a claimed townie? That is the burning question. Your own statements say that you support claiming by power roles when they are in danger of being lynched. But you are apparently not a power role, and you were in no imminent danger of being lynched.

The fact that you keep bringing it up makes me think you are trying to convince us by repetition.

You never repied to that that I can see.

And then you bring it up again in your last post:

You'd be losing money than because I am not scum

Why do you keep saying that? It is meaningless. Obviously scum are not going to come out and say "By golly Deathsauce nailed it, MoS and me are the scumpair"

Therefore the fact that you take every chance to say "I'm not scum" leads me to the same conclusion I drew earlier, you are trying to convince us through repetition.

[DeathSauce]

I think you will find this game is more fun when you argue using logic instead of insults.

All you two have managed to do with those last two posts is further cement a link between you.

[DeathSauce]

Calling someone a "flaming douchebag" is simple-minded name calling, you have not even risen to the level of

ad hominem

.

Seriously, if this game is going to allow mindless insults, I'd like to be replaced.

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I am frankly surprised that anyone can follow CA's thoughts, I know I have a difficult time.

Surprisingly I find myself agreeing with ryan and MoS here, I've been a bit leery of CA from the start

[DeathSauce]

MOD

Could we get a vote count?

[DeathSauce]

My money is still on MoS or ryan or both. This swift attack by MoS reeks of desperation. Let's get MoS.

[DeathSauce]

Setael, I think you made a very good argument about thinktank being wishy-washy, I am just not sure that wishy-washy=scum, especially in such a new-ish player.

[DeathSauce]

Well this definitely got interesting, I'm willing to give JDodge another day to show us his amazing revelation, what can it hurt? But if I''m not amazed, I will probably vote for him.

[DeathSauce]

Seems like we have a scum pair.

And that would be?

All I was trying to say with that post is that whatever JDodge comes up with from his badgering of ryan had better be pretty damned convincing, or he will have earned my vote. Maybe I phrased it badly, but it was intended to show my skepticism of JDodge's recent contributions.

[DeathSauce]

Hmmmm, well.

I do find that ryan is playing very much like he did when he was Godfather in another game we participated in, but I just don't put all that much stock into that. The "claiming townie" episode is more suspicious, in my eyes.

However, JDodge, your argument just doesn't hold water for me. It basically boils down to "ryan is willing to vote for someone that could be a townie", but that is true for all of us. No one is ever completely sure of who is scum and who is town, how could they be? You just vote for who you are reasonably certain is scum.

And that being said, I am reasonably certain you are scum.

unvote, vote: Jdodge

I believe this puts him at Lynch -1

[DeathSauce]

Setael you are a pure hypocrite

My reason for voting JDodge is right there above my vote. Perfectly and clearly explained.

Meanwhile your vote on me is because one of my posts was apparently "worth two votes".

Now think about it again, which one is for "no reason"?

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@MoS - I'm guessing your *sigh* was for my 2nd vote on Deathsauce. If so, could you please stop making such a huge deal about every time I am the second vote? Evidently it doesn't have the connotation you think it does, since you've been wrong about it twice now.

Even more delightful hypocrisy from Setael! He tells MoS that where someone places their vote isn't a scumtell, but then says I am scummy for placing the L-1 vote, which is the moldiest chestnut in mafia.

Really Setael, you should try to develop some kind of consistency.

[DeathSauce]

However, putting someone at -1 takes a good case for good reasons, none of which do you have on JDodge. What's your case on him again? That he's been lurking? How about you try to dredge up something a little more concrete before putting someone at -1.

I'm not retyping my suspicions of JDodge just because you have reading comprehension difficulties.

[DeathSauce]

No, the lurking had nothing to do with it. Try again.

[DeathSauce]

Nice how you guys are already setting up your next lynch before we even know JDodge's alignment, I am thinking it's a Setael/Vampy or Setael/ Chocolate Attack scumpair, since we throwing out ideas and all.

[DeathSauce]

Way to go Doc!

I was pretty sure Dodge was scum, but given his townie status I am reverting back to my suspicion of ryan.
FoS: ryan

[DeathSauce]

Setael, give it up. I am not scum and you are still a hypocrite.

[DeathSauce]

Yes, you have already said that you don't think ryan is scum, repeatedly. This isn't the first time you've defended him. Noted.

[DeathSauce]

Also, claiming that congratulating the doc is a scumtell is a scumtell.

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I think it would've been wise for everyone to do their own reread, but I'll give my analysis and then you can do your own reread of him.

I don't really think there has been enough activity to do a PBPA analysis of everyone, and TylerJ's is reasonably accurate

The first thing I found noteworthy was this post, in which he hides behind tyler's suspicions. I don't see a townie taking another townie's pbpa and saying it's "reasonably accurate". The wording is scummy and reeks of insider info.

This is not even worth responding to. I felt TylerJ's analysis was "reasonably accurate", simple truth.

He then makes a big deal out of ryan "claiming townie" which is extremely opportunistic. His whole stance on this issue felt scummy - Tyler brought it up first and it was ridiculous in the first place. The Townie reaction would've been to realize that saying "I'm Town" is not a claim. Deathsauce's support of TYler's idea looks like scum fueling the flames.

It's called "scum hunting". You look for inconsistencies and odd behavior. I brought it up originally because Tyler said he thought ryan had claimed but couldn't find it, I found it. Saying "I'm town" early on Day One

IS

a claim and is odd behavior, you will not convince me otherwise no matter how many times you repeat it.

He posts a few times merely to say "I'm happy with my vote." Scum is motivated to post enough to look like they're not lurking without adding content or posting suspicions, and this is what these feel like.

Again, meaningless.

Tries to create a ryan/MoS link, and then throws some suspicion onto CA and says he agrees with ryan and MoS about it. In next post says "let's get MoS" but leaves his vote on ryan. The "let's get MoS" is particularly scummy considering it's not even accompanied by a vote.

Once again I was calling out oddness. MoS was an early and strident critic of ryan, then suddenly switched and began defending him once a few votes built up. You don't think that constitutes a possible link? Are you trying to be blind? The "let's get MoS" was in direct response to MoS posting "Let's run up Setael and JDodge. GOGOGO." I guess that post isn't scummy but mine is?

Well this definitely got interesting, I'm willing to give JDodge another day to show us his amazing revelation, what can it hurt? But if I''m not amazed, I will probably vote for him.

I didn't explain why I voted him for this post because I thought it was pretty slap-you-in-the-face obvious. Evidently I was wrong, so I'll break it down for you. He leaves himself open to vote JDodge for no reason at all. His sole reason for suspecting JDodge is ... oh wait, there is none. He's not suspicious of JDodge, he just thinks this interaction with ryan should result in an amazing revelation. And if it doesn't? Well then he's going to vote JDodge for it. That basically amounts to having absolutely no reason to vote him. It's incredibly opportunistic - a vote based solely on the fact that JDodge is provoking players enough that scum will be able to push a bandwagon without taking much heat since a few Townies are annoyed. Deathsauce's vote was pretty obviously not for any scumminess on JDodge's part at all. It was just an easy mislynch so scum jumped on it.

Bullshit. JDodge was badgering ryan for FOUR PAGES on some meaningless point, attempting to draw out something to convince us that ryan was scum. He failed to convince ANYONE. Numerous players in the game have stated that JDodge's behavior and playstyle were unacceptable, but once again you single me out.

However, JDodge, your argument just doesn't hold water for me. It basically boils down to "ryan is willing to vote for someone that could be a townie", but that is true for all of us. No one is ever completely sure of who is scum and who is town, how could they be? You just vote for who you are reasonably certain is scum.

True to his word, Deathsauce votes JDodge solely for not providing an amazing revelation. He says JDodge's argument wasn't good enough. And... that is reason for a -1 vote. Does no one else see how obvious this is? He gave NO reason at any time for thinking JDodge was scum. The only thing he said was that he didn't like JDodge's argument with ryan. Is this the ONLY argument JDodge has disagreed with all game? Because it sure seems insignificant as far as reasons to put someone at -1 go.

Once again you are blind. Did you miss the fact that FOUR PAGES of this game were nothing but JDodge and ryan arguing? Can you point out another argument like that in this game? In the next paragraph you are going to say I am twisting your words, but that's all your argument here consists of.

He then tries to twist my words and says I said "where you put your vote isn't a scumtell" which I never said. Lynch all liars would be helpful here. He then won't admit that there's a world of difference between the second vote and a L-1 vote.

The fact is that you were strongly and definitely implying that vote placement isn't a scumtell, it's the entire point of your post

If so, could you please stop making such a huge deal about every time I am the second vote? Evidently it doesn't have the connotation you think it does, since you've been wrong about it twice now.

So your whole argument is that vote placement isn't a scumtell if it's the second vote, but it IS a scumtell if it's the L-1 vote? That is rank hypocrisy, plain and simple.

Nice how you guys are already setting up your next lynch before we even know JDodge's alignment, I am thinking it's a Setael/Vampy or Setael/ Chocolate Attack scumpair, since we throwing out ideas and all.

First, this is OMGUS since the only reason Deathsauce has given to suspect me is the fact that I suspect him. He didn't look twice at me before that.

That post was made with my tongue firmly in my cheek, it is obviously an OMGUS joke. The fact that you can't see the ridiculousness of naming scumpairs after chastising others for naming scumpairs is telling.

Frankly, it's obvious that JDodge's wagon was scum driven. I think Deathsauce felt comfortable hiding behind ryan because most of JDodge's interaction was directy with ryan. So he thought he could support the mislynch and then pin the blame on ryan the next day. I for one am not buying it. ryan is not the one who came up looking scummy after that mislynch, but Deathsauce sure did.

Frankly, it is not at all obvious that Dodge's wagon was "scum driven", since other players that didn't vote Dodge have noted the scumminess of Dodge's play. But let's assume it was "scum driven", who was driving that wagon? It was ryan! Who is my vote on? ryan! Amazing!

It is plain to me that your attempt to paint thinktank as scum didn't pan out, so you are selecting a different target. Nice try, but none of your arguments hold water.

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Oops, you're right, should have said "FoS". I'm sure Setael will find a way to paint that as scummy.

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Setael, all I can say is re-read my posts about JDodge. I very clearly called him out as scum. I don't know why you get the impression I didn't think he was scummy unless it was from a mis-reading of my point about never really

knowing

if someone was scum, which was actually part of my argument against JDodge.

Also, I do not claim to have brought the ryan-claim thing up originally, I meant that I brought the topic up simply because I found the post that Tyler had missed. I probably phrased that sentence poorly. A tangential point is that you keep saying that ryan said "I'm town", but he specifically said "townie", not "town".

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Ryan does not seem like a good vote for today. He was pushing the JDodge wagon WAY too hard if he were scum, unless he was incompetent, which he is not, or incredibly sneaky which seems unreasonable.

Deathsauce you said that Ryan was your main target for this day? I don't agree with that for the reason stated above. Who do you think is the scum pair and why?

Hahahaha, have you ever played in a game with ryan? He definitely has the ability to be "incredibly sneaky".

Anyway, there are too many candidates for scum in this game for me to try and narrow down a scumpair at this time. I have a few players that I believe to be town but many more that are still on the fence.

[DeathSauce]

It was meant as a compliment, ryan!

Setael, your paranoia worries me

[DeathSauce]

Hey since you are around start prodding people in the Nightless game, I'm tired of doing all the work there.

[DeathSauce]

ChocolateAttack, I was not ignoring you. I said that post was made in jest in my response to Setael's diatribe and assumed you would see that.

I do not necessarily believe you and Setael are scumbuddies, but that doesn't mean I positively rule it out either. I'm keeping my options open at this point.

[DeathSauce]

This last comment from Setael tears it. She argued that ryan is town because he pushed so hard on the JDodge lynch, then spends the next day doing nothing but pushing mine with ridiculous intensity, hoping that will make her appear to be town in our eyes as well.

Setael is scum, or I'll eat my hat.

vote: Setael

[DeathSauce]

@Deathsauce: Would you like that hat with some OMGUS sauce on it?

Another typical scum move, attack attack attack, then as soon as your target responds, paint it as OMGUS

[DeathSauce]

DS: Reading back I see what you are saying, the question I have is do you have any Day 1 proof?

Sorry I missed this before.

Let's look at Setael's Day One votes and suspicions.

1) Random votes thinktank
2) Votes Fernando with little reason
3) Builds a case and votes TylerJ
4) Votes Mr.Pigg for lurking
5) Says "I'm thinking it's ryan and vampyrusddg"
6) Builds a case against vamp
7) Builds a case and votes thinktank
8) Votes for me
9) Says "Both vampy and ryan's last posts reek of scumminess"

So let's count them up, she either votes for, or expresses very strong suspicion of, seven out of nine players on Day One, and has the nerve to present thinktank as wishy-washy!

[DeathSauce]

EBWOP: There is no OMGUS involved in my vote

[DeathSauce]

Deathsauce: If Setael comes up town where do you go case wise?

I really don't like this line of questioning. Obviously Setael and I are quite suspicious of the other, but it seems like you are trying to set up a situation where it is either me or Setael that gets lynched today. There are plenty of other suspicions to be aired by other players in this game.

To be perfectly frank,

IF

we were to lynch Setael and she came up town I would be rather suspicious of you.

[DeathSauce]

Please explain how I tried to "link (you) and ryan" That is a ridiculous lie.

[DeathSauce]

You are high. Just to start the process of proving you are lying, why did you choose to investigate me on Night One?

[DeathSauce]

Setael, how in the world could you coming up town show any link to ryan? He asked who I would be suspicious of if you came up town. All I did was answer his damned question.

[DeathSauce]

Nice, calling the doc protect is always good strategy.

[DeathSauce]

You are insane, MoS. Having the balls to tell the doc who to protect is scum behavior, he is setting up his nightkill, pure and simple.

[DeathSauce]

EBWOP: ryan and thinktank are the scum. Setael's fixation on me clouded my judgement.

[DeathSauce]

I can not emphasize enough the fact that I am not scum.

Oh yes,

unvote:vote, ryan

[DeathSauce]

MoS still has his vote on you Setael, he is not so stupid as to blindly follow scum claiming to be cop. The number of people willing to accept a lie in this game based on hunting lies would be funny if it wasn't my head on the block.

Anyway, if I do get lynched you will have your answer tonight and can lynch thinktank tomorrow.

[DeathSauce]

Wow, way to go thinktank. I think I was doing a pretty good job of twisting suspicion back onto Setael, but you decided to throw me under the bus. You could have at least given me a couple more days to work at it.


Anyway,

Game Over

, thinktank is my scum"buddy" who I guess decided I was going to go down. Two can play that game.

[DeathSauce]

Setael, you are a strong player, review my posts and see what I've said about thinktank.

Thinky, old buddy, I guess I can understand your motivation to try and paint yourself as confirmed cop, same thing happened in Newbie 342, but I ain't going for it. You brought me down for no good reason and I'm returning the favor. Any fool can read your latest post and see the desperation. I have said it before and I'm not playing any games:

GAME OVER!

[DeathSauce]

It makes perfect sense, the pressure was building on me and noob scum panicked and threw me under the bus to make himself overwhelmingly pro- town. I would normally be impressed by such a tactic, but I thought I was doing a pretty good job of turning Setael's suspicion back on her.

I realize this is a dickhead maneuver to end the game and I am sorry for it now. I acted in anger yesterday and should have calmed down before posting. I apologize.

[DeathSauce]

I am highly disappointed that my attempt to link thinky to myself didn't work, even though he did everything he could to help me.

No one's playstyle bothered me in this game, it was pretty amusing to see Setael blowing a gasket over my guilt, though.

Cheers, and thanks xyzzy.

[DeathSauce]

C'mon. there were a fistful of newbies in the game, it was at least worth a shot!