Mafia v. Wolves Redux: Finally Over!

[Akbar]

Oddly enough, i dont recall playing a game with you in quite a long time. Do you maintain the belief that over long periods of time, newbs dont improve atall?

It has been a bit and I could be wrong about you. But, right now I only trust 2 people. I'm suspicious of you, Fuldu and Fonz. Other people suspicious of you are confirmed town. When N9V went after you, it looked like Fuldu tried to save you. If you come up scum, I think Fuldu should be lynched. Unfortunately, I won't have a vote by then.

[The Fonz]

You profess suspicion of Fuldu, yet attack me for it when Kison asks if Lowell should claim next, and I express a preference for a Fuldu claim due to my suspicion of him?

If you hadn't claimed doc, I'd be CERTAIN you were scum by now.

[Akbar]

I know it's a game. But that's no reason not to act with the slightest modicum of decency, respect, or indeed logic.

When you say lacking logic, if your referring to your logic your correct. I definitely don't agree with your logic.
I not sure where the disrespectful or indecent part came from. But, like I said, our logic is not the same.

[The Fonz]

Yes. Mine is actually logical, yours is terrible.

[Thok]

Yes, we know that the two of you aren't fond of each other. Yay! It's gut versus logic, with two people ending up trying to metagame themselves to death.

Given Lowell's "hunch" vote on The Fonz, I don't think they are aligned (and therefore, I'm not particularly concerned about Fonz's request). I don't really think having the order be Fuldu-Lowell or Lowell-Fuldu or throwing in any other combo of other people will make that much of a difference.

Too many people are lurking for my tastes.

The Greg, name two people you feel are likely mafia and two people you feel are likely wolf. I get the feeling that you're just periodically showing up to the thread and buddying up with people to make yourself look better than you actually are.

[Battle Mage]

You profess suspicion of Fuldu, yet attack me for it when Kison asks if Lowell should claim next, and I express a preference for a Fuldu claim due to my suspicion of him?

If you hadn't claimed doc, I'd be CERTAIN you were scum by now.

A Doc claim is very very weak as a rule. Its a mafioso's greatest weapon.
just wanted to put that down.
good luck guys
BM

[Fuldu]

I'm back, and while I generally prefer claims to go in a set order because I think there's as much information to be gained in creating the order as in obtaining the claims, I'll agree that this is silly.

I'm the town butcher, a plain vanilla role.

[Kison]

Do you have a name?

[Battle Mage]

'butcher' sounds a bit sinister to me...

[Phoebus]

It is proving very difficult to find half decent replacements for such a big game.
How many of you would really hate me for serving out modkills?

This hunt is getting me down and out as well.

[Kison]

I dislike modkills, however, they may become necessary. I think we can hold off a while longer and hope we get some replacements, but do what you think needs to be done. :-/

Anyhow, Fuldu has claimed. Lowell is MIA as well as Raffles.

I think we should just skip ahead to The Fonz, then. Any protests, Mr Fonz?

[Lowell]

I'm here, do you want me to claim now?

[Thok]

I'm here, do you want me to claim now?

Yes.

[The Fonz]

I dislike modkills, however, they may become necessary. I think we can hold off a while longer and hope we get some replacements, but do what you think needs to be done. :-/

Anyhow, Fuldu has claimed. Lowell is MIA as well as Raffles.

I think we should just skip ahead to The Fonz, then. Any protests, Mr Fonz?

None whatsoever, I've been straining at the leash to do so.

ESE Member, mason.

[Kison]

The List of Fully Claimed Players

1) Kison - Witch Sister
2) theopor_COD - Hider
3) Akbar - Doctor
4) Battle Mage - Town Miller
5) Fuldu - Town Butcher / Vanilla Townie
6) The Fonz - ESE Member / Mason

The List of Partially Claimed Players

1) PBuG - Nameless

The List of Unclaimed Players

2) Lowell (

currently awaiting...

)
3) Raffles (

...skipped due to inactivity

)
5) The Greg
6) Thok


Well, I wanted Lowell to go before The Fonz, but the hell with it. But Lowell needs to go now that he spoke up.

I also hate to say it, but we should probably just have The Greg claim before Raffles(but

after

Lowell) unless we find a replacement before that time comes.

[theopor_COD]

Hi back from holiday will re-read tomorrow with some luck depends on other lengthy games.

[Lowell]

To paraphrase:

My role is a gypsy, named Cassandra. My night power is I send in one name to the mod, and if that person is lynched the following day, I will be immune from death the following night. I win with the town.

And yes, my powers are relatively useless. I have no idea who I targetted. I'll scour my outbox.

[Thok]

Lowell, what's the flavor justification for your role powers (i.e, what's the story explaining them)?

[Lowell]

It says because I am a fortune teller people are suspicious of me, but I have Second Sight to help the town.

Again, though, I'm not sure what practical good this power is.

[The Greg]

I suppose its my turn then. I'm The Fonz's ESE masonbuddy.

[Thok]

Much as I hate to go before Raffles, I probably should go now.

I'm Milo the town lout. I'm effectively a roleblocker (my drunken rantings scare people back into their houses).

Choices:

Night 1. DrippingGoofball
Night 2. Zindy/Lowell
Night 3. N9V (this roleblock has been verified by N9V himself)
Night 4. The Greg

Obviously, I can't explain XReyox's reasoning for the first three choices. For last night, I felt that the Greg was being too agreeable in the posts that I saw.

Also, it should be noted that on nights 2 and 4 we only had one kill. If you feel I am protown, that's a mark against Lowell and The Greg (although given the kill method, it suggests they are wolves rather than mafia).

Fonz, The Greg, do your roles confirm each others innocence? Are scum masons a viable situation here?

[The Greg]

Yes, our roles confirm each other as innocent.

[Kison]

The List of Fully Claimed Players

1) Kison - Witch Sister
2) theopor_COD - Hider
3) Akbar - Doctor
4) Battle Mage - Town Miller
5) Fuldu - Town Butcher / Vanilla Townie
6) The Fonz - ESE Member / Mason
7) Lowell - Gypsy
8) The Greg - ESE Member / Mason
9) Thok - Roleblocker

The List of Partially Claimed Players

1) PBuG - Nameless

The List of Unclaimed Players

1) Raffles (

...waiting...

)


Anyway, here's the list of my night actions again, this time with no names hidden :

~~Gifts~~

Night One : Rune to Akbar, Cat to Zindaras/Lowell

~~Sightings~~

Night Two :

~N9V~

, Akbar,

bird1111

,

Mastermind of Sin

,

Shanba

, Thok
Night Three :

~N9V~

,

bird1111

,

Mastermind of Sin

,

Shanba

, Thok
Night Four : Akbar, theopor_COD, Thok

One of Akbar, theopor_COD, or Thok is scum. Thok we can safely rule out as a possibility, because he has his roleblocking to back up what he says. We know the roleblocker exists because of what N9V has told us. No-one has counter claimed Thok, and a counter claim by Raffles would be irrelevant because

Raffles was not out the night that Thok blocked N9V

. Thok is definitely a roleblocker, then. Scum blocker? Possible, but unbalanced unless the other team has one as well...

Anyway, if we are to go with the logic that bird1111 was the killer of MoS, then we have to assume both Akbar and Thok are cleared, unless we have a third party(which I find unlikely at this point).

Here is what is annoying me. We have two killing factions, but only one killer out last night? Where the hell is the other group? Have they been killed off? Claiming that roleblocking prevented them from killing is irrelevant -- I would have seen them out last night, just as I saw N9V when Thok blocked him. So this is something that bothers me. However, this does not take any suspicion away from Theopor, who I am nearly certain is scum.

One other topic we can discuss is the other item I handed out. PBuG and I gave someone an item called

a cat in a wicker basket, packaged nicely with a pink ribbon

. That person was Zindaras, who is now Lowell. I'd like to know what happened with that.

[Thok]

There are a bunch of reasons I could see for a lack of a second killer last night. One of the scum groups may have been scared of being seen killing, so a delibarate no kill is a possibility. Alternatively, a scum group may be able to day kill (I assume that's what happened with Mr. Flay.) Alternatively Raffles might be the last person in his scum group and didn't submit a night choice. Heck, it could even be the case MOS was scum all by himself but had some weird recruiting ability. I'm not really willing to guess which of these is correct.

[Kison]

Thok, do you think Theopor is the lynch for today?