Mini 427 - Clue Mafia 3 - Game Over - Is this what happened?

[al_kohaulec]

I may be able to answer your questions Cedric, after Ecto answers this...

So tell me, are you voting me for forgetting that I claimed my role name or because I said Mr. instead of Professor? This goes for both of you.

[chaotic_diablo]

There seems to be no connection between role names and alignment. As a result, there is no motivation for scum to create a false role name. This means that all role names are not fake. al_ko is Mr/Mrs/Prof/Whatever Plum. If you still want to prove he isn't this Plum character, go ahead. Al_ko isn't about to be counterclaimed anytime soon.

Your accusation on al_ko is purely WIFOM. al_ko could be scum who sold out his partner. Then again, he could just be town as a watcher. Which is it? Any one is "possible". It just looks like you're trying to find an excuse to mislynch a power role.

I'm interested in BM's and al_ko's night choice last night.

[Ectomancer]

I think you are all scum, making any lynch a good one. Al_ko could be Mr Dr Professor Plum if he wanted. He still makes a good lynch.

[al_kohaulec]

Ecto, you're ignoring my question.

[Ectomancer]

Hmmm.

Actually,

unvote

It was because you were forgetful. I was thinking you were being careless.

However, it occurred to me as I was writing the reply, that if you forgot that you claimed, it was actually more likely that you were forgetful town and not careless scum. The reason being, if you claimed as town, you could forget later that you did, because it isn't all that important for you personally to keep track of. You really only need to know what everyone else has claimed because you know your role.
Scum, on other hand, need to remember if they claimed and what they claimed. They either have to be able to "produce evidence" of the role they claimed, or not claim an entirely different role all together later (oh my). It makes it far less likely that he would forget, and if someone else claimed to have the same name as he did, why would he speak up? 2 guys show up claiming the same name, we're going to lynch until we find the scummy one.

Ho hum.

[Battle Mage]

I'm interested in BM's and al_ko's night choice last night.

good for you. shame i dont have any intention of revealing my result yet.

[Battle Mage]

though actually it would interest me to hear what Al Ko saw last night. Its his call whether he claims. However prior to any claim i would like confirmation from him that if his target is targetted by multiple people, he recieves ALL the names?

[DragonsofSummer]

I feel that anyone who looks closely should know I have a very good reason for voting for HC right now.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I feel that anyone who looks closely should know I have a very good reason for voting for HC right now.

Then explain so I can defend myself. I know you're not a cop for three reasons:

1) I know I'm not the last goon.
2) During the MBL escapade, we decided that a cop, a watcher, and a tracker were overbalanced for a mini. MBL was lynched (correctly) for trying to claim otherwise.
3) If you WERE a cop, then I do not believe that al_ko would be a watcher, for reasons stated in #2. However, this would make al_ko the last goon instead of me, so this cannot be true.

So, if you are not a cop, then what "damning" evidence do you have?

Unvote: al_ko, Vote: DoS

[DragonsofSummer]

See your problem is that I am not only a cop, but the cop. My role is duel I am the cop from the movies and my flavor is that even though I'm freaked out I want to find out whats happening here.

You are going on the assumption that you actually know for a fact that there can't be all three of those roles in the game, and the fatal flaw there is that you do not know that MoS didn't do exactly that. Therefore your entire arguement is invalid. Also if I have to be lynched so they can get you tomorrow then I'm okay with that. One other question I'd love to have you answer. How in the world do you know there is only one mafia goon left in the game?

[DragonsofSummer]

EBWOP: By the way your logic is flawed about Alko as well. Assuming that his claim is false it doesn't necessarily make him scum. It just means he wants to hide his real role for a reason.

[Battle Mage]

OK, i've decided to be more pro-active in these Clue games.
While we wait for AlKo to come back and answer my questions, i'd like everyone to give their view on the following, preferably with 1 brief reason.

Should we mass-claim at this point?

BM

[Haschel Cedricson]

You are going on the assumption that you actually know for a fact that there can't be all three of those roles in the game, and the fatal flaw there is that you do not know that MoS didn't do exactly that.

That's true, I don't know what MoS did. But I think that's a powerful town combo for a 12-player game, so I don't think he did that.

One other question I'd love to have you answer. How in the world do you know there is only one mafia goon left in the game?

I said that earlier.

However, and I realize this is playing the second-guess-the-mod game, the remaining person has to be a goon with Wadsworth, or the game would no longer have an informed minority.

Do you think that five scum roles, with the potential for three kills each night, sounds like a balanced game? At that point it wouldn't matter how unbalanced town powerroles are; the town still has a horrible shot at winning the game.

Should we mass-claim at this point?

I'm fine with it. It looks like I'm going to have to claim today anyway.

[al_kohaulec]

BM, yes, I get all the names. But I'd rather not reveal my results yet.

And I don't think a mass claim is the best move for today.

[DragonsofSummer]

Haschel, here is the thing you may not have stopped to think about though. What if every person in this clue game was a power role? Of course it is pure speculation, but I find it a distinct possibility given that all the people killed already, and all of the roles that have been claimed so far are power roles.

I'm sorry, I missed your post explaining why you thought there was only one goon left at this point. I still disagree that you can make that conjecture on day three of a game where everyone who has died has had a "power" role of some sort.

BM, a mass claim could be helpful, but I do not think it will be completely beneficial until we know a little bit more about the roles of this particular game.

[DragonsofSummer]

EBWOP: Hey do you guys want me to claim my other night result?

[Battle Mage]

oh great. another claimed investigative role. Way to complicate things further DoS...
fyi, i think it is infinitely unlikely that this game features a tracker, a watcher, and a sane cop.
Still, its a bit late to withdraw your claim now, so please do answer the following:
Why did you choose to investigate HC last night?
What other results do you have?

HC, DoS, and AlKo, i appreciate your quick response to my question. I'd still like everyone else who is present to also answer the question:

Do you think we should mass-claim at this point?

Oh and Al_Ko, i can obviously see why you would want to keep back any information you have, but unfortunately, i'm going to have to ask you to claim your result at some point today.
For now at least, i will be satisfied with hearing who your TARGET was.

BM

[al_kohaulec]

The part that makes this more difficult to believe, DoS, is you are claiming an investigative role when yesterday we concluded there couldn't be 3 investigative roles and you never commented on that. So for you to avoid that yesterday and then come in today claiming cop is a little suspicious, it sounds kind of contradictory.

[Battle Mage]

The part that makes this more difficult to believe, DoS, is you are claiming an investigative role when yesterday we concluded there couldn't be 3 investigative roles and you never commented on that. So for you to avoid that yesterday and then come in today claiming cop is a little suspicious, it sounds kind of contradictory.

speaking of avoiding things, why are you avoiding the question posed to you?
Believe me, i have a VERY good reason for asking for this information. If you are a Watcher, you can be 99.9% sure that i am town, simply because i knew who you targetted 2 nights back. Please trust me, and say who you WATCHED last night.
Remember, i don't want your result, just the name of your target.

thanks,
BM

[chaotic_diablo]

To tell the truth, I'm not sure why everyone is jumping on the conclusion that DOS has an investigative role. He only stated he had a night result and that everyone had a power role.

[DragonsofSummer]

c_d I was just saying that everyone could be a power role. I don't actually know it's just a possibility.

BM I investigated HC because he replaced CES who I felt was rather scummy because of his extreme lurking in the game and that of his two posts one said that he was thinking about hammering and the other put a vote on someone, and so was curious, also at the time I turned in my night choice CES had not been replaced yet.

Night 1 was interesting for me because I attempted to investigate BillyTwighlight, but was roleblocked, and from the way the roleblock was described it was a female role, I'd guess Ms. Scarlet, but do not know for sure.

The reason I did not get in on the discussion about the power roles yesterday I can also explain. I didn't want to accidentally give away that I was one of the three through my arguments in favor of it being a possibility and through such risk being NK'ed before I could help the town at all.

Are there any questions I missed that were asked to me?

[al_kohaulec]

speaking of avoiding things, why are you avoiding the question posed to you?

I mixed together the two parts of the result and target and read "I want to hear your TARGET sometime today." You were my target.

[SSF352]

Hey folks, MoS has asked me to post in the game's he's modding that he's having some issues loading the site. He should be available on AIM, so if you have questions/concerns, you can contact him there. (his AIM is Jhawk)

[Battle Mage]

speaking of avoiding things, why are you avoiding the question posed to you?

I mixed together the two parts of the result and target and read "I want to hear your TARGET sometime today." You were my target.

that is good. I think it is advisable that you continue to target me at night, so, should i die, we can at least discover another mafioso for the trouble.
Did anyone target me last night, and if so, how many?

I'm not sure about DoS's claim. I mean, there was a missing kill on Night 1. This could be an attempt to rid yourself of suspicion, as well as fish for a potential RB. Not only that, but you now claim to have only 1 result. No, i can't say this claim is exactly solid imo. However we will probably end up lynching HC anyway, just because lynching a claimed cop at this time would be dumb.

However, in the meantime, please can NOBODY ELSE CLAIM. That includes you HC. There are other things that need to be done today. Don't worry, we are in no rush to end the day.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I withdraw the comments about DoS in my last post.
I forgot that MBL died as GODFATHER. Specifially this means that he comes up town to investigation, which as far as i can see, only works with a Cop.

In the meantime, i want the following people

Prodded

please:

Ancalagon
chaotic_diablo
dahen
Ectomancer

And those 4 people must then answer the following question-

Do you think we should mass-claim at this point?

BM