Mini 1694 -- Zodiac Mafia II (Game Over)

[massive]

The problem is, your reasoning isn't confined to in-game reasons -- it's meta, and I really hate meta as any kind of proof of anything. His last few other games are all still ongoing and look a lot like this game. And him being willing to shoulder at least part of the blame for the Nacho lynch isn't something I'd expect scum to do.

On top of that, Ricastle was the one who started the daykill exposure plan on D1. So you have to convince me that it was better for scum-Ricastle to (1) opt NOT to take the daykill from the bad horoscope and (2) start the popcorn daykill, rather than just take the daykill and shut up.

[elusive]

Look at Apocalypse which is finished.

About the daykill plan, I have to think about it but horoscopes are random. Maybe he knew that town had to have it and wanted it to go off?.

Like he still isn't giving reads or doing anything, I know town Ric and he's not being town this game. I don't think he has the cleverness to change his meta that quickly either. Most players don't

[Salamence20]

I should mention Ill explain my readings after Im caught up

[RedCoyote]

ARIES TIDBITS

Health
Each sign has a part of the anatomy attached to it, making this the area of the body that is most sensitive to stimulation. The anatomical areas for Aries are the head, face, and upper teeth.

Ruling Planet
The Ruling Planet for Aries is Mars. This powerful planet rules ambition, force, power, competition, animal nature, desire, sexual energies, war, tools, violence, and courage.

Color
The color of choice for Aries is red.

Gemstone
Aries' key star stone is the diamond.

Lucky Numbers
Aries' lucky numbers are 1 and 9.

Compatibility
Aries are most compatible with fellow Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius.

Opposite Sign
The opposite sign of Aries is Libra.

The Perfect Gift
The best gifts for an Aries are athletic items, clothing, or work-related things.

Likes
Coming in first, championing causes, initiating, taking action.

Dislikes
Waiting, admitting error, tyranny, dependent people.

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Vote Count 3 - 5

• Ricastle (3) ( elusive - startfromtheheart - Metal Sonic)
  
  Mainez (1) ( massive -
  Ricastle
  )
  St Constantine the Hermit (1) ( Mainez)
  Metal Sonic (1) ( lane0168)
  elusive (1) ( St Constantine the Hermit)
  startfromtheheart (1) ( Ricastle)
  
  massive (0) (

  Metal Sonic

  )
  
  
  Not Voting (1) ( Salamence20)

With nine alive, it takes five to lynch.
Current Deadline:

(expired on 2015-08-11 21:00:00)

[Salamence20]

PG. 21-27

Town: Marquis, Elusive
Null: ALL
Scum: Start, Mainez, Metal

Metal has claimed town so much he has reached zMuffinman levels of scum btw

[Ricastle]

You don't need to be clever to alternate meta. It does so naturally. That's why meta analysis based on basic play does not yield solid tells.

Start & Mainez are my most consistently solid scumreads. Agree? Disagree?

Pedit: Hey, why does Aries get all that? No fair.

[elusive]

Why?

[elusive]

You've never been unable to make cases. So. Why?

Aries is cool, who are the Aries in the game?

[elusive]

What do you think about the point I made about Mainez and how OP it would be for scum to have their abilities plus two fortunate horoscopes?

I'll have to meta her at some point, Iguess. DIfficulties never end.

[Salamence20]

Pg. 28 - 40

Town: Elusive, Ricastle, Constantine (VI)
Null: ALL
Scum: Start, Mainez, Metal

Ugh, the threat to my life is going to force me to actually try playing the game. Right now I am slightly suspicious towards Lane because of some gut stuff. I am concerned about Massive, because that MOFO is an unreadable beast. I am scared half to death of that devil spawn.

On the other hand, I would be cool PL'ing farside22 or ricastle, becus I am afraid some sort of toxic argument will happen that will ruin the game.

Everyone else is town, bcus null reads are the stupidest thing since bottled air.

Excuse me?
Who the fuck do you think you are.

Also, St. is a Town VI. Deal with it.

This is fucking funny.

[Salamence20]

Pg. 41-43

Town: Elusive, Ricastle, Constantine (VI)
Null: ALL
Scum: Start, Mainez, Metal

ACTUALLY YOU ALL ARE MORONS AND JACKASSES FOR THAT SWINGY WAGON IN DEADLINE BULLSHIT.

MAINEZ/METAL NEED ROPE AND IF IM WRONG ON BOTH (IM NOT) CONSTANTINE CAN DIE AND WE BLAME HIM FOR GAME THROWING.

RIC IS TOWN.

[Salamence20]

I've seen enough.

VOTE: MS

He has scumslipped multiple times with this obvtowning of Constantine, that soft separation from guilt of Nachowagon, and saying hes town.

I'm still reading, but I doubt this changes.

[Salamence20]

PG. 21-27

Town: Marquis, Elusive
Null: ALL
Scum: Start, Mainez, Metal

Metal has claimed town so much he has reached zMuffinman levels of scum btw

44-49

Town: Elusive, Ricastle, Constantine (VI)
Null: ALL
Scum: Start, Mainez, Metal

Its Start/MS, if not Mainez and/or Constantine in that equation too.

[Salamence20]

50-55

Town: Elusive, Ricastle*, Constantine (VI), lane
Null: ALL
Scum: Start, Mainez, Metal

That Ricastle vote was bad though. Really bad.

RICASTLE/MAINEZ/MASSIVE

METAL SONIC IS NOT SCUM

I'll quote this for when MS Flips scum.

Also, dat farside fortunate kill. Who wants to bet that she got the scum no-kill tonight or the Dayvig lol.

[Salamence20]

All caught up!

Town: Elusive, Ricastle*, Constantine (VI), lane
Null: ALL
Scum: Start, Mainez, Metal, massive

How does it go?

Salamence/Elusive - Consider them conftown

Lane - Seems townie enough.
Constantine - VI that could be anything really. I'm a sucker for AtE though, but that's the kind of play I would do as noobscum.
Massive/Ricastle - Ric should be higher, but that vote on Nacho is terribad. Massive hasn't pinged me much either way

Mainez - Looks and plays nothing like Hardcore or Boonskiies mini
Start - Boring lurking fluff scum is scum
Metal Sonic - Worse than start, playing really scummy, and buddying to elusive.

[Salamence20]

VOTE: startfromtheheart
Please change your avatar back.

BUSBUSBUSBUSBUSBUSBUS

[Ricastle]

I don't believe my Mainez case is much different from when I last made it (and yes I made it...somewhat), mainly because she's barely done anything since then which is bad in itself. She also isn't pushing anyone who could feasibly be scum.

Start has been utterly useless and fluffy the entire game, and his play doesn't contain a hint of actual progressive motivation. He also doesn't seem to care about who he sheeps or who his sheep vote moves on to, and those are pretty much the only votes he's ever put down. The

only

thing making me doubt this path is that it seems way too obvious.

(The latter is especially true for MS which is why I haven't been parked on him the entire game)

[Salamence20]

Ric, why did you vote nacho?

[Salamence20]

And would you like to avenge yourself on MS?

[Ricastle]

Which time? The one after lane or the one that put him at L-1? Both have pretty much the same answer: I was scumreading him.

I wouldn't be entirely averted to it.

[Metal Sonic]

50-55

Town: Elusive, Ricastle*, Constantine (VI), lane
Null: ALL
Scum: Start, Mainez, Metal

That Ricastle vote was bad though. Really bad.

RICASTLE/MAINEZ/MASSIVE

METAL SONIC IS NOT SCUM

I'll quote this for when MS Flips scum.

Also, dat farside fortunate kill. Who wants to bet that she got the scum no-kill tonight or the Dayvig lol.

Fuck off, Sally. Nacho says I'm conftown, I'm conftown.

Otherwise I'm wrong on Aronis and you're just fucking dumb scum

[Salamence20]

Aronis joins the confirmed town group. Would still lynch Ricastle/massive with impunity tomorrow.

Oh hey so am I. So whatever.

Nacho isnt a god, hes not perfect. I dont think Ricastle is scum.

Also, if you were so willing to follow his reads, idk why you seemingly random voted Bert earlier today.

Cry some more, scum who wants to hide behind the dead corpse of nacho.

[Salamence20]

Nachomamma8,

Townie

, was lynched on D2.

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Final Day 2 Vote Count

• Nachomamma8 (6) ( St Constantine the Hermit -
  farside22
  - lane0168 - startfromtheheart - Ricastle - Aronis)

Pay attention to this votecount here. There is no possible way that this is an all town wagon. (chance of this being all-town: negligible)

Farside is confirmed town.

I am having a strong townread on hermit, while Nachomamma expressed a strong townread on Aronis at time of his death. This leaves lane, start, and Ricastle as the null/scum reads remaining on the wagon. It is highly likely (>90%) that there is at least 1 scum among these three players. There is an off chance that Constantine or Aronis is scum, but I find this to be unlikely. Because of this, I urge the town to focus the lynch onto one of these three players, reread them, and arm ourselves.

Currently, with no scum being lynched, let's assume there are three scum remaining. 9 Players alive, that means that there are 6 town remaining. 5 to lynch. If scum don't bus, this means that all town minus one are needed to lynch scum at this juncture. This emphasizes the urgency to consolidate to a decision and reconcile our reads.

Btw, Im calling this fake VCA.

[Salamence20]

<3 elusive

i agree with elusive('s explanation for her vote on tammy)

thanks elusive

science and progress!

hey elusive i just spent 5 hours making my nice wiki which is a heavenly paradise for meta divers

please be invited

Kayp, mainez, elusive, hearty all town

Tammy can be town but doubt there

Good exchange. Alignment indicative.

VOTE: ricastle

I also think that nacho could be scum.

Startfromtheheart can give bert a run for his money. Or is he a Bert alt?

Yeah, he's Bert's alt.

Yup! I played against nacho on this account two years ago, but it has been dormant for the past year

Startfromtheheart has been a public alt ever since it was born in 2013. It made sense for this game given its born date aka join the world date. Zodiac game and all.

Berty! <3

elusive, I just finished a scum game with KayP. She looks town here.

Elusive looks town here, the votes on her are bad

Ric is scummy

Elusive does not have a dick

Elusive is not obvscum

Ricastle is obv scum

I'm town

Believe me bby

Oh, I am obviously, town

Ricastle is just asking dumb questions like a scummy scumbag

mmmmmm

You can't catch me as scum day 1 nacho... No one can

I'm town. Lynching me day 1 always results in a town flip....

My fellow town friends

Please defend me from this foul tragedy!!

It is the act of pure evil to day 1 lynch ms!!

I will also link Over The Garden Wall

Both games I was obvi town and both got lynched day 1, ironically both were ongoing at the same time

don't mess with the mafia mum!!!

not even you, elusive ^_^

There's this game called Naughty Bear. U should look it up, bro. What happens to the bears that don't invite Maleficient..I mean Naughty Bear to the party....

Metal Sonic - my love is creepy...do you got issues? What are your reads little metallic thingy?

Yeah, I am wondering why you love Ricastle and not me. I'm jealous.


I am still unsure who is scum, but I am sure about some reads:

Elusive is town
Constantine is town

I declare my love for elusive

VOTE: ricastle

im town

me and elusive are town buddies

Every post that includes buddying of Elusive and calling himself town.

[Metal Sonic]

Except those aren't scum tells?