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Post Post #775 (ISO) » Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:15 am

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Post Post #776 (ISO) » Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:51 am

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I'm still here. :)
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Post Post #777 (ISO) » Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:40 am

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Post Post #778 (ISO) » Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:00 am

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Vote Count of long overdueness and previously incorrectness

6 to lynch, 3 at deadline

4: Deathsauce
(Panzerjager, gatorguy, Kscope, OTM)
3: Panzerjager
(qman, Alsleet, Deathsauce)
1: Ectomancer
(Blight)
1: blight
(Numenorean7)
Not voting: Ectomancer
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Post Post #779 (ISO) » Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:47 am

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Post Post #780 (ISO) » Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:53 am

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Post Post #781 (ISO) » Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:04 pm

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I'm back, but looks like I didn't miss much.
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Post Post #782 (ISO) » Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:01 pm

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Post Post #783 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:00 am

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Post Post #784 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:41 am

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If Qman fails to respond to his prod (which is looking fairly likely) I will replace him. I have a replacement lined up.
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Post Post #785 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:55 am

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The vote count is flawed, my vote is on PanzerJager
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Post Post #786 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:07 am

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Can someone outline the case against Panzer? His cavalier attitude towards DeathSauce's bandwagon seems to be the problem everyone has with him? I guess that hasn't stood out for me because DeathSauce seems like obvious scum to me.

I agree, I have gotten occasional scum vibes from Panzer throughout this game, but ultimately I've just chalked it up to an irreverant posting style.

Is it because of the possible Kscope/Blight connection? I'm not sure I get that either. At this point, I'm willing to trust Kscope and Blight.
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Post Post #787 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:08 am

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Welcome to our new participants, we look forward to your contributions!
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Post Post #788 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:14 am

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DeathSauce wrote:Welcome to our new participants, we look forward to your contributions!
Translation - please help me out more than my last 2 scumbuddies did, since all they did was lurk.

New slightly off-the-wall theory - DS has seemed like a man on an island because he has been. Let's see what these new guys say.
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Post Post #789 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:35 pm

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Maybe, That or his buddies have put him on that island for a reason? I don't see how my posting has been disrespectful OTM. I feel if anything my post have been confident. I also want my case summed up so i can make a point by point defense.
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Post Post #790 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:23 pm

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Panzerjager wrote:Umm, I'm gonna stay immpartial. I think it is as possible that he lied as it is that he was blocked or there was a doccage. Actually, I'm no longer impartial. Vote:Deathsauce. AlSleet claims a kill. Death Sauce goes for the attack and lynch of Alsleet, he could be mafia role blocker. Roleblocker is very common for mafia.
This is the only real case you've ever given against DS. It's a valid point, but IMO worthy of a FoS or perhaps a vote, certainly not a lynch. Yet you have stayed with it and continued pushing a DS lynch, based purely on this incident as far as I can tell.
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Panzerjager wrote:First Of all, I was the only one who made any significant case on Schism. So give it up if your trying to get me lynched for hammering schism aka Anal Sex.

Anyway, Scum Roleblockers are very common in normal games.
I'd agree with this at least. You are not to blame for schism's death.
Panzerjager wrote:Cause he is SK.
Asserting that Al is a SK. Why? You said that 9 out of 10 vig claims turn out SK. Why do you say that? I doubt you've done a statistical study.
Panzerjager wrote:See, The fact that you're alive to me makes me lean more towards SK. Because both me and you said this guy is SK very loudly and quite often. Qman said it once and with subtlty. Most wouldn't have even picked up on Qman's death, people would have figured it out if you or I died. SK can target those suspicious of him but they have to be the ones qith quiet suspicions not flamboyantly suspicious.
Here's an argument for an Al SK, but not a very strong one. Conclusions based on the night-kill choice are WIFOM, and an SK would know that.
Panzerjager wrote:"The simplest explanation is the most likely one" should be re-written to "The simpliest and most logical explanation is the most likely one" The scum are probably doing what us townies did, leaving him in as a wrecking ball regardless of his alignment. Town is hoping he destroys Scum, Scum is hoping he decimates Town. Because look, Alsleet and the town kill 2-4 scum, town kills Alsleet. Scum and Alsleet get it to 1-3 people non scum left, they kill Alsleet and win. Right now neither side has anyreason to kill Alsleet if he is SK. If he is Vig then us Town really want him alive, and Scum can get around him until Night 3.
I agree. We should keep around AlSleet, because the advantages of a vig outweigh the disadvantages of having a SK.
Panzerjager wrote:OTM, I am the ONLY one WITH a reason to lynch schism. DID you miss the entire first 8 pages of this game or what dude? You gotta be kidding me if you think me hammering schis was scummy. I post a PBPA and a Point by Point analysis, along with being one of the two people attacking him most of day 1. That burden almost exclusivly fell on Kscope and I. Then ecto popped in started some shit. Yes i think AlSleet is SK but as town i figured we had an agreement that we wanted him to stay alive by the off chance he is vig so he can in fact be a weapon. Say we lynch mafia today and Al Sleet hits scum tonight, that could be anywhere from 1/2 to all the mafia(2-4 member in the mafia i'm guessing). So he has big upside regardless of his alignment.
Panzerjager wrote:EBWOP: So with Al being pretty much a weapon I thought we had decided schism was the lynch, so I lynched him based on the consensus and my points I already had made against him.
Panzerjager wrote:..Why should he give a target? He can pick his own way. Why do you want him to pre pick his target? So you can direct him if you don't like his pick? FoS:OTM

Schism already made it clear he was done with this game., so I really don't have much to say other then Good Riddance.
Panzerjager wrote:FoS: Blight You make the point 3-4 points in the main post against why AlSleet is Alive then make an additional post staying another strong point against him. But ou voted ectomancer for what I thought is a debate over theory then actual scumminess. I'm with you, I think he is a detriment to the town because he can cut through us like a knife through butter, but the rest have decided to be optimistic, because he can really really hurt the scum. So it can go both ways, but you make it so clear that you want Al dead yet you vote ecto? To me that doesn't make sense, it seems that you are waiting for a wagon to really pick up on him then you jump and point to these post. I just don't like it at all.
Here you FoS Blight for some of the same things I mentioned, but you later believe KScope's hinting very readily.
Panzerjager wrote:Yesterday wasn't really a quick hammer. I thought we were decided, -1L two hours or so from deadline. I simply put in my two cents.
Panzerjager wrote:Is my vote on deathsauce?
Pointless post
Panzerjager wrote:Unvote: Vote:Death Sauce. My vote should be on this guy.
Why? Still because of his vote at the beginning of the day?
Panzerjager wrote:Eh, I'll have to mull around on this idea?
Panzerjager wrote:I'm confused. Why haven't we lynched Death Sauce?
Again, pushing DS lynch without providing any evidence.
Panzerjager wrote:IMO, I think K-Scope gave too much away already. And if K-scope is right about you, it doesn't mean anything other then he's cop. Half of me almost thinks it is now mandatory to lynch him, because he is an advantage either way. Blight being town, gives doc someone to protect and we can try to vote on who the cops target will be. But ths poses a problem because not only does AlSleet ,if vig, is an easy kill, and there might be a mafia roleblocker(still not ruling it out) not a doc. Also the voting poses a problem. Anyway, if blight is town we have our lynch for tomorrow in the guy who hinted cop.
Confusing post. Confusing the antecedent and whatnot. You beleive KScope's hints, and you say we should lynch Blight to confirm KScope pro-town. You (mistakenly) say we should lynch the guy who hinted cop if Blight is town. Just overall weird.
Panzerjager wrote:The other half still wants a deathsauce lynch because that is the most logical thing at this point. He is unconfirmed and clearly is thought of as scum. He is the best canidate that isn't Blight or Ectomancer(depending on who won that arguement in one's opinion). Anyway i still want a Deathsauce lynch and this wasn't a one-liner(but it coulda been).
You want a DS lynch because he is "thought of as scum". :? Best candidate that isn't Blight or Ecto? This might as well have been a one-liner.
Panzerjager wrote:Wow, you don't know how to read. That post is directed at Blight. I don't want to lynch K-Scope. I'm saying if we lynch blight and he is town, then doc would protect the guy who hinted cop by saying Blight is clean, protect Blight. Where the hell did you even get that I wanted a K-Scope lynch? I don't see how you screwed reading up that bad.

Discussing the Kscope/Blight situation gives scum more information, so thats probably not the best idea.
Your post was confusing and gramatically incorrect. Sorry.
Panzerjager wrote:Aye, okay. That line that deathsauce quote was supposed to say if Blight is scum then we lynch K-Scope.
Panzerjager wrote:Umm Blight, stop while you're ahead please. I still am standing by my one liner. "Why haven't we lynched Deathsauce yet?" Did I miss that in my read? I think at this point we're just talking in circles.
Telling Blight to shut up so he isn't lynched. Didn't you FoS him and half-believe a Blight lynch is mandatory?
Panzerjager wrote:Why hasn't Deathsauce been lynched yet? I'm still wait for an answer. Seriously.
What evidence is there to lynch him on?
Panzerjager wrote:Alright. I really don't have it into me to defend myself. I'm having problems in my personal problems, and have been for the couple of weeks. I feel deathsauce is scum because his arguements have been baseless and is riding the good things he said far too hard. I feel Deathsauce is the ONLY good candidate for lynch right now. Anyway, I'm Vanilla Town. Take that however you want and lynch who you please. I'm out for a a day or two at least.
Refusing to defend is not a good idea. Neither is a random Vanilla claim.
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Panzerjager wrote:Maybe, That or his buddies have put him on that island for a reason? I don't see how my posting has been disrespectful OTM. I feel if anything my post have been confident. I also want my case summed up so i can make a point by point defense.
You have been pushing a DS lynch without stating any evidence, except a relatively small item at the beginning of D2. You argue that Al is a SK, when we cannot really know at this point. You buy KScope's hints, yet you don't seem to have a position on Blight. That basically sums up the case.
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Post Post #791 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:25 pm

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Oh, and in case someone didn't catch on, that was a case against Panzer, composed of a compilation of all of Panzer's D2 posts plus commentary by yours truly.
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Post Post #792 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:02 pm

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I find it veeeeery interesting that Numenorean is the first to step forward with a PBPA on Panzer, with the conclusion that he is indeed scum. (a conclusion that I don't think follows from the posts - weird, yes, scummy, maybe, but those posts don't tell me much either way) Wasn't Panzer at the very bottom of your suspicion list, in the most-likely-to-be-town section? Now suddenly you are jumping aboard a bandwagon that seems to be picking up momentum.

Looking back at bethelmark's Day 1 behavior, he does indeed look scummy. Now Num comes in and replaces him, goes after Blight for a while, then when info is revealed, he finds a convenient place to land on Panzer. Panzer may very well be scum, but at this point I feel much worse about Numenorean. He changes from "Panzer is pro-town" to "Panzer is scum and here's a PBPA to prove it" as soon as the wind changes. I don't like it.

unvote:
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Oh and
FOS: Ecto
for being the only "certainly townie" player on Num's list. This whole thing stinks of scum.
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Post Post #793 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:32 pm

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Why did I do the PBPA? I have been meaning to do a re-read of Panzer's posts, because of his recent pushing of DS and his ready acceptance of KScope's hinting. This behavior contrasted with my earlier pro-town impression of him, so I wanted to codify my opinions. Then Panzer asked for the case against him. It seemed a good opportunity.

I did not come to the conclusion that Panzer is scum. Yes, he has been doing some strange things. I pointed this out. After all, he asked for the case against him. But looking over his posts reminded me why I thought he was pro-town. I like his points and agree with his reasoning. I was going to wait and hear what he has to say, but perhaps I should have made it clearer at the time. I do not think Panzer is scum.
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Post Post #794 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:05 pm

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Talk about the wind blowing....

Did you get a little excited there OTM? Because he didn't say Panzer was scummy, he did an analysis. Did the stall on the DS wagon cause you to abandon it? I thought DS was scummy to you?
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Post Post #795 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:13 pm

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Post Post #796 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:09 pm

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I think a PbPa on OTM would give us some info. I'll get to that if I have some time.
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Post Post #797 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:43 am

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Numenorean7 wrote:Oh, and in case someone didn't catch on,
that was a case against Panzer
, composed of a compilation of all of Panzer's D2 posts plus commentary by yours truly.
Numenorean7 wrote:
I did not come to the conclusion that Panzer is scum
. Yes, he has been doing some strange things. I pointed this out.
WTF man, seemed like you were calling Panzer scum to me. Now it seems like you are backtracking.
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Post Post #798 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:46 am

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Ectomancer wrote:Talk about the wind blowing....

Did you get a little excited there OTM? Because he didn't say Panzer was scummy, he did an analysis. Did the stall on the DS wagon cause you to abandon it? I thought DS was scummy to you?
Actually, yes, I did get excited because I felt Num had given himself away by his sudden change of heart on Panzer. Now he's saying he never thought Panzer was scum, although it sure seemed that way when I read over his PBPA.

If the new theory of Num and Ecto turn out to be scum, then DS is probably OK, since I have a hard time seeing Ecto and DS as scum together. Still think DS is scummy, but it doesn't fit with the theory I'm working on.

But now I'm waiting on an explanation from Num.
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Post Post #799 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:39 am

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OffThe Mark wrote: Translation - please help me out more than my last 2 scumbuddies did, since all they did was lurk.
Paranoid much? It is mere common courtesy to welcome new players. You are a heel.

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