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Muerrto - 1 (Nelly632)
Nelly632 - 2 (vampyrusddg, Muerrto)
Okay, heres my take on the situation, and I'm convinced I'm right.
The Mafia have aroleblocker, they knew that if there is a doc in the game he would be protecting DO (no reason for them not to)so they neuter our cop while offing someone else, and lose the risk of wasting their NK.
What has me so sure about this isif DO was scum why would he bother with saying he got a fail? It would make much more sense to come out and say he got an innocent on someone he knew was town, forgoe the NK so it looks like he's got protection before they satrt NKing other people on N2. The scum knew we still had our eyes on him and we could well end up lynching our cop ourselves, anduntil then they can continue blocking him night after nightwhile picking off everyone else.
Bottom line, we need to get that roleblocker. until then we've effectively lost 3 power roles, I'm hoping there is a doc so if we do catch him we've got some investigations, but if not we're going to have to do this the old fashioned way.
AnswersMuerrto wrote: Questions for everyone:
I'd like to hear everyone's seperate opinion of the cop RC, the block claim, the hammer, and the hammer explanation. These are the 4 worst points in the game so far IMO and they're being brushed off so I'd like everyone to re-examine them and let me know what they say to you specifically and how much you think is true and how much a lie.
Nelly632 wrote:Muerrto:
You know what I am a grown man and like a grown man I can step back and accept if I am wrong... I agree with Serp that maybe my comments toward you are out of frustration and my lack of acknowledgement toward you is more then likely a way to give you less ammo to point in my direction... I cannot claim any role to anyone besides plain old townie and I felt like defending myself to you would lead me into hot water and I did not want to get lynched because I may or may not have made a stupid move at the beginning of day two...
I do agree that my actions at the start of this day may have been percived as scum like and there is nothing I can do to change that now...
I will step back now Muerrto and stop assuming you are simply attacking me... I believe you asked a question in regards to D.O and I would appriciate it if you would simply repeat this question and give me a little time to recap my post so I can once again gather the train of thought I was in when I posted...
Thank you very much
Muerrto wrote: Questions for everyone:
I'd like to hear everyone's seperate opinion of the cop RC, the block claim, the hammer, and the hammer explanation. These are the 4 worst points in the game so far IMO and they're being brushed off so I'd like everyone to re-examine them and let me know what they say to you specifically and how much you think is true and how much a lie.
The cop claim ... I didn't and don't really like? Simple probability suggests we're more likely to stumble on scum on day 1 (who'd definitely consider fake claiming to avoid the lynch) than we are to almost lynch an actual cop. So I'd definitely say I'm sceptical of the claim right now, and that the burden is on death_omen to convince us. However, at the same time, it now seems clear we're not going to be getting a counter-claim today; whether that's because omen is the real cop, or because there is no real cop or because the real cop has simply decided not to claim yet we can't know, of course. But as long as omen isn't taking charge of the direction the town goes in (as he'd do if he actually claimed to have results), I'm fine with letting the question of what to do about death_omen wait until tomorrow. I'd rather we made up our mind on him then, however.Muerrto wrote:I'd like to hear everyone's seperate opinion of the cop RC, the block claim, the hammer, and the hammer explanation. These are the 4 worst points in the game so far IMO and they're being brushed off so I'd like everyone to re-examine them and let me know what they say to you specifically and how much you think is true and how much a lie.
I did put thought in it. I think it is a bit scummy to represent that vote like this.Malchonn(376) wrote: Hjallti said:Please put a little more thought into your reason. A single one-line bandwagon vote doesn't look very good to me. You’re not instilling me with a true town nature.Hjallti wrote: vote: Nelly632 I can life with putting him on lynch minus 2
FoS Hjallti
1. The RC is early and therefor could be counterclaimed, but it steals time in a little game like this. I think for WIFOM reasons it is just like most others things, something said that could be true or false.Muerrto (390) asked and wrote: Questions for everyone:
I'd like to hear everyone's seperate opinion of the cop RC, the block claim, the hammer, and the hammer explanation. These are the 4 worst points in the game so far IMO and they're being brushed off so I'd like everyone to re-examine them and let me know what they say to you specifically and how much you think is true and how much a lie.
Hjallti wrote:@Muerrto: Why do you ask me to unvote Nelly and didn't do it yourself? you could as well have put him back on L-3!
Muerrto(bolded for emphasis) wrote:Let's hold off on anymorevotes before we hear something please.
This is deja vu
Um..there's 12 people. 1 dies each day and 1 dies each night. So if we lose another town today and another town tonight we have 8 people and 3 scum. That makes the next day 6 people and 3 scum. That's lose.somestrangeflea wrote:I have no idea how you reached this conclusion. Explain please!Muerrto wrote:Unvoting him was fine but lynch -2 was fine too. Just didn't wanna see him hit lynch -1 or get hammered quickly. If he's town and we lose another town tonight we're in LYLO.
Oh, you were working under the assumption that there were 3 scum. Make sense now, sorry!Muerrto wrote:Um..there's 12 people. 1 dies each day and 1 dies each night. So if we lose another town today and another town tonight we have 8 people and 3 scum. That makes the next day 6 people and 3 scum. That's lose.somestrangeflea wrote:I have no idea how you reached this conclusion. Explain please!Muerrto wrote:Unvoting him was fine but lynch -2 was fine too. Just didn't wanna see him hit lynch -1 or get hammered quickly. If he's town and we lose another town tonight we're in LYLO.
So if we mislynch today we're in LYLO. If you were actually legitimately asking that's cool but you seem to keep trying to find things in stuff I say(like the WIFOM thing) that you can use to cast suspiscion on me even though what I said made perfect sense.
Two mislynches means day 3 is LYLO and day 4 is lost.
When you say Two mislynches, does that include the D1 lynch?Muerrto wrote:Um..there's 12 people. 1 dies each day and 1 dies each night. So if we lose another town today and another town tonight we have 8 people and 3 scum. That makes the next day 6 people and 3 scum. That's lose.somestrangeflea wrote:I have no idea how you reached this conclusion. Explain please!Muerrto wrote:Unvoting him was fine but lynch -2 was fine too. Just didn't wanna see him hit lynch -1 or get hammered quickly. If he's town and we lose another town tonight we're in LYLO.
So if we mislynch today we're in LYLO. If you were actually legitimately asking that's cool but you seem to keep trying to find things in stuff I say(like the WIFOM thing) that you can use to cast suspiscion on me even though what I said made perfect sense.
Two mislynches means day 3 is LYLO and day 4 is lost.
Yes. On day 2 we have 10 ppl, 3 scum(always 3 scum in a 12 person mini btw Flea, understand why you didn't get my figures at first tho). On day 3 we have 8 people, 3 scum. This is LYLO. On day 4 we lose. In otherwords we don't play out day 4 assuming someone dies on night 3. If we mislynch today we're stuck in LYLO for the rest of the game until we get a scum lynch unless the scum miss a kill somehow(deadline, doctor, etc.). That's why this day is the most important. It's our only chance to avoid LYLO.VampanezeHunter wrote:When you say Two mislynches, does that include the D1 lynch?
Um..glad to. You just did the same thing you did on day 1. You said you thought the scum didn't want discussion and ended the day and then voted for vote 6, the one made BEFORE Sauce's post about discussion, and not the hammer.death_omen wrote:3. As to why deathsauce was whacked at n1, maybe its because he wanted to give Khel a chance which he said so in post (331) and the scum obviously did not want this and wanted night to intiaite pronto.
I'm going to go with my n1 investigation and my gut instinct.
Vote:Malchonn
Go ahead flame me 8)
Lol reread my post. I said he's lurking just like you did. I just said I won't vote/lynch him for that.death_omen wrote:@ Muerrto personally: You rushed to his defence real quick, surprising...
The reason I quoted this above if because I know for a fact that I am TOWNIE and I would hate for the town to lose because of my mistake at the beginning of Day Two... There is nothing that I can do that will convince you 100 percent that I am Townie I just hope that my comments above followed by the unvote helps you lean toward believing me and preventing the quoted situation above from happening...Um..there's 12 people. 1 dies each day and 1 dies each night. So if we lose another town today and another town tonight we have 8 people and 3 scum. That makes the next day 6 people and 3 scum. That's lose.
So if we mislynch today we're in LYLO. If you were actually legitimately asking that's cool but you seem to keep trying to find things in stuff I say(like the WIFOM thing) that you can use to cast suspicion on me even though what I said made perfect sense.
Two mislynches means day 3 is LYLO and day 4 is lost.