Mafia v. Wolves Redux: Finally Over!

[Battle Mage]

I have already given Kison a damn good reason. If he cannot vouch 100% for your alignment, a claim is required. there is only 1 possible scenario in which i would agree that you claiming is a bad idea, but you haven't so much as hinted at it, and even if you did, i'm not sure i'd believe you just from your behaviour.

I don't really remember anything flavour-wise about my role. All i know is that i do not have any power role, and that i am Vanilla. I'm sure whenever Phoebus turns up, i'll be able to give you a role name or whatever.

BM

tbh, if you aren't willing to listen to people if they aren't absolutely 100% town, you must be a real bastard in small games. lol

No, I'm not listening to you because I don't see any evidence of good logic from you on this subject. You clearly have less information about this subject than either Kison or me (and it's clear you haven't tried to analyze the info I have given.) If you really think that I should claim soon, you should try to convince Kison why he should overrule his better judgement and make me claim earlier.

(As an aside, I'll note that if anybody does have a guess for what role I am, they should keep quiet about it until the claim is over.)

I'll point out that this is not the only time this game you haven't shown good judgement (losing your role PM, voting N9V all of yesterday).

BM-can you at least tell us what you do remember from your role? i.e. you may not have the exact flavor, but surely you remember what sort of possible role powers you have (to some extent).

[Thok]

I have already given Kison a damn good reason.

If he cannot vouch 100% for your alignment, a claim is required.

there is only 1 possible scenario in which i would agree that you claiming is a bad idea, but you haven't so much as hinted at it, and even if you did, i'm not sure i'd believe you just from your behaviour.

The bolded line isn't true. We wouldn't even be having this argument if Kison hadn't asked me to claim first (which IMHO was a mistake by him). What's the difference between him not asking me to claim first, and him asking me to claim first and then changing his mind and him allowing me to claim later when persuaded by my argument?

[Battle Mage]

I have already given Kison a damn good reason.

If he cannot vouch 100% for your alignment, a claim is required.

there is only 1 possible scenario in which i would agree that you claiming is a bad idea, but you haven't so much as hinted at it, and even if you did, i'm not sure i'd believe you just from your behaviour.

The bolded line isn't true. We wouldn't even be having this argument if Kison hadn't asked me to claim first (which IMHO was a mistake by him). What's the difference between him not asking me to claim first, and him asking me to claim first and then changing his mind and him allowing me to claim later when persuaded by my argument?

rofl. you didnt presuade him of anything. supposedly he already had indication that you were town. All you seemed to do was remind him.

BM

[The Fonz]

Found that PM yet Battle Mage?

Does anyone think we particularly need his flavour, or can we move on and come back to it?

[Phoebus]

Vote Count

1 Battle Mage (Akbar)
1 Raffles (Thok)
1 Thok (Battle Mage)

18 not voting

6 to lynch

[The Fonz]

18 not voting? Nice typo.

[Kison]

I think i'm vanilla here, but i'll go and check now.

The fact that he doesn't even remember whether or not he's vanilla is what disturbs me most. I want his full claim before moving on. Phoebus gave us a vote count, so Battle Mage shouldn't have any excuses for delaying.

[Thok]

I think i'm vanilla here, but i'll go and check now.

The fact that he doesn't even remember whether or not he's vanilla is what disturbs me most. I want his full claim before moving on. Phoebus gave us a vote count, so Battle Mage shouldn't have any excuses for delaying.

I think this is an overly hostile interpretation of this post. I would expect BMscum to just make up a fake role. (I also suspect he's less likely to have discarded his PM as scum-vanilla townie is the most likely scenario for him to throw it out).

I'd need to check out more BM games to verify this, but the feeling I get is that the best tell for BMtown vs scum is internal consistency; i.e. if he's consistent with himself as the day goes on. From what I can tell, BM has been passing that test with flying colors.

I've also been burnt by this logic before; Masterchief was lynched day 1 in PS2sux partially because he lost his role PM (he was town).

[Battle Mage]

ok good news: Phoebus resent me my pm.

I am not vanilla-i am actually a miller (nice rhyming).
thats my rolename, and characters occupation. I am Artur, Miller of Luperi.

The flavour basically describes that i have bad language, and i do some dodgy deals in my spare time, but i win with the town.

Hope this helps.

BM

[The Fonz]

Who's next?

[Kison]

I think most people will agree if we go with Raffles. He's around on the site, so he should be more than able.

[The Greg]

I am in favor of Raffles claiming next.

[Battle Mage]

could somebody please remind me why Kison and PBuG are absolutely 100% confirmed town?

[Thok]

could somebody please remind me why Kison and PBuG are absolutely 100% confirmed town?

They've got claimed confirmable roles (which has been confirmed by multiple people [their flying with a broom has been confirmed by me, Akbar, Theodor, and Shanba (and possibly others I've missed), while their inventions have been confirmed by Akbar]). They've handed us at least one person who is almost certainly scum (bird1111).

They're not 100% confirmed, but they are fairly unlikey to be scum.

[Lowell]

vote The Fonz

Hunch. That is how I do.

I think the biggest advantage to massclaims is seeing folks' reaction to the idea.

[Akbar]

@Lowell
Did your suspicion of The Fonz come from the lengthy exchange between us, or was it something else?

[Battle Mage]

i should probably start the Akbar wagon. OMGUS and all.

Unvote, Vote: Akbar

i think this game needs some prods.

[Thok]

Battle Mage, that vote just broke my brain.

I do agree with the needs for prods. Raffles in particular needs to either post, be replaced, or be modkilled.

[Raffles]

Well I checked this off the watched list, because I think it was night 4 when Phoebus said those still participating send in a PM. I clearly needed out of this game because I had too much workload so didn't send him one. :/

[The Fonz]

*Sigh*

I guess we're to take that as a replacement request, then?

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage, that vote just broke my brain.

I do agree with the needs for prods. Raffles in particular needs to either post, be replaced, or be modkilled.

i dont see why. Is Akbar confirmed town?

[Thok]

I hold out hope that you can do something more productive day 5 of a big game than OMGUS vote.

[Battle Mage]

what if the guy i OMGUS is scum?

[Thok]

Then you ought to provide a reason that isn't OMGUS.

(Also, Akbar's a claimed doctor, a claim that's partially verified by Kison/PBug.)

[Kison]

I'd really like for Raffles to claim before anyone else, but if we're going to be stuck in limbo for 2 weeks waiting for a replacement, I think the better option would be to move on. The problem is we have no idea how long a replacement will take.

Raffles, are you certain you can no longer continue this game?