481 - Speed 1: Romeo and Juliet Mafia - Game Over!

[LoudmouthLee]

Deadline in approx. 4 days from this post.

[kravhen]

Don't insult my intellegence.

Intell

i

gence.

[kravhen]

Kinetic I'm curious about why you felt you had to bet 10$ on his answer? Seems to me you're trying to earn points in an unnecessary way. Your answer sounds good, could it be the reason you could explain it so simply and with confidence ( 10$ ) is that you are scum yourself?

Vote:Kinetic

[Brutal Assassin]

Don't insult my intellegence.

Intell

i

gence.

It was 3 AM going on 18 hours awake on 4 hours sleep lol

[Brutal Assassin]

That is -1.

I'm going to

Unvote

to allow for a claim, should there be one, considering we have 4 days.

[Brutal Assassin]

Eh, nevermind. Forgot it is an Open role game. A claim wouldn't get us anywhere since if he claims a power role then we needlessly out a power role (either through counter claim or through death at night) and if he claims townie he's probably getting lynched anyways.

Vote Kinetic

again. I really need some sleep, lol.

[somestrangeflea]

I agree. A claim might be able to explain something...

OK now I think this post looks like a panicking scum to me. "Oh my God people are voting for me and I don't like it so I will throw a hissy fit and hope that they will unvote in worry that they will look scummy to the other players."

I don't have the spine to stand up to people... =(

[Mert]

... We still have 6 days left. This blatant bandwagoning is just a scum trick to try and not make them look scummy for doing an obvious town roll. If you let this go on the scum will just bandwagon every townie by starting a bandwagon and once it is 3-4 people full will say everyone not on it is scummy.

This is ridiculous and counter productive...

True, we have a deadline, but for cripes sake it is still 6 days away. You don't get a prize for lynching someone 5 days before deadline. And just because someone says its scummy not to bandwagon at this point doesn't make it so!

Are you implying we'd be better off

without

a Day One wagon? I say this in pretty much every game I'm ever in, but the default amount of information we have is zero (for the most part). In order to get information, you must get reactions and the harder you push somebody, the more their emotions betray them - if you let everyone who you're not sure about cruise then you'll never have anyone 'betraying' themselves by dropping scumtells.

Wagons, pressure, unexpected lines of questioning - these are all things a good protown player should be doing to gather reactions and, therefore, information.

[Mert]

Incidentally, I'm liking Brutal Assassin, Dragon Phoenix both as town right now. Smaller amount of town vibes from Poppinpuffin and Stewie right now but both are still in the "more likely town than scum" category.

Kinetic's my best bet for scum (obv) and possibly SSF too.

[Kinetic]

Kinetic I'm curious about why you felt you had to bet 10$ on his answer? Seems to me you're trying to earn points in an unnecessary way. Your answer sounds good, could it be the reason you could explain it so simply and with confidence ( 10$ ) is that you are scum yourself?

Vote:Kinetic

No the answer is quite simple. He thinks I'm scum so he has rose-tinted glasses on everything I do. No matter WHAT I do he can find a way to mae it look scummy at this point, and honestly what can I say. I said that because honestly it was the truth. And the 10$ thing was just a figure of speech, not an actual bet.

[Kinetic]

I've got the answer for that, but will let Poppin give an explanation (which will probably be the same anyways, at this rate)

10$ says his answer is that scum are more likely to panic because there are less of them and they have a more survivor role.

Don't insult my intellegence.

Start showing some so I can insult it then.

[Stewie]

I've got the answer for that, but will let Poppin give an explanation (which will probably be the same anyways, at this rate)

That's good. I hope he answers soon, because I think it's a newbie town panic.

[Mert]

Start showing some so I can insult it then.

Not loving the emotional adhom, if I'm honest. It does

nothing

to convince me you're town, that's for sure.

[Kinetic]

-.-;; I'm betting there are at least two scum on my wagon.


6 votes for Kinetic (Brutal Assassin, Dragon Phoenix, Mert, Jimmy R, poppinpuffin, kravhen)

Well since no one wants to wait the four days until deadline and absolutely must lynch me, I'm pretty much positive there is some people on there acting for less dubious means. However because I cannot question them and they continue to fly under the radar I'll just have to post this analysis and hope it helps the town postmortem.

Brutal Assassin: Seems town to me. Originally seemed scummy until he actually explained himself. However I still think at best its 50/50. So I put him at

5/10

on my scumdar
Dragon Phoenix: I'm absolutely sure if anyone is scum on my wagon, he seems like the first pick. Scumdar

9/10

Mert: Since he voted me he has been silent. Scum? Maybe, but the town won't allow me to really prod his reasons...

6/10

Jimmy R: Same as Mert, but I just get a weird scummy feeling from him. Can't explain it, mostly because he's posted.. once?

6/10

poppinpuffin: Same as BA.

5/10

kravhen: Seems like opportunistic scum putting me at -1.

7/10

And someone who isn't on my wagon but would have been if I didn't kick his ass before he tried.

Logicticus: SCUMSCUMSCUMDIESCUMDIE

10/10

Yea...

I'm not going to self-hammer, however I still think I'm dead soon, so yea, waste your time on a deadlined game. You guys are about as bright as a dark alley.

Claim:Vanilla

, for those who care, but that isn't going to save me either. Just figured those who do have brains can start planning about after my death now.

And since it seems GOOD LUCK is taboo, I hope you all suck, have shitty luck, and get washed down a sewer drain while being stabbed by multiple hobos.

There, is that better?

[Kinetic]

And yea, the reason I'm emotional/annoyed at everyone: How you can turn GOOD LUCK into a scum tell, mean it, and when I try to explain that saying good luck is a nothing you use my defense to call me scum.

Yea, that is LUDICROUS! Absolutely send them to the mental ward BONKERS! Its crazy in every way! I defended against such and idiotic and baseless claim as best I could, and apparently defending myself and trying to convince th town that they are making a mistake is SCUMMY. Whatever, all will be revealed soon.

[logicticus]

And someone who isn't on my wagon but would have been if I didn't kick his ass before he tried.

Logicticus: SCUMSCUMSCUMDIESCUMDIE 10/10

Please.

[Kinetic]

And someone who isn't on my wagon but would have been if I didn't kick his ass before he tried.

Logicticus: SCUMSCUMSCUMDIESCUMDIE 10/10

Please.

Please die?

[Brutal Assassin]

As much as I hate to do this, because Kinetic is acting ridiculous right now, I'm going to

Unvote

on the basis that I don't believe Kinetic, as scum, would have made a post while at -1 in which he gave his thoughts on everyone in the game. It just doesn't make much sense, because it would be giving everyone a ton of free information to pick apart on Day 2 in a speed game where information is slim. If it is a gambit it is a truly great one imho.

And I'm sorry, but I truly believe that Logictus would have hammered you just then if he was scum Kinetic. He's been building it up for awhile now and could have easily made the vote to hammer without much scrutiny for coming out of no-where.

That said, I do agree that if you aren't scum then either Dragon or Kravhen is. I really can't decide on that :/ However, with time winding down I think we need to make that decision very quickly as a town. I'd rather lynch Kravhen for the reason that he isn't providing much information at all and hasn't been adding to discussion. And I hate to metagame like this, but I think with his grace period gone there is a high chance of Kravhen being modkilled at some point anyways. Just one 24 hour period of not posting.

Vote Dragon

[logicticus]

I fully support a kravhen lynch.

I dont like how with 40 minutes left before he was modkilled, he suddenly checked in. It seems to me he was lurking then and knew what was going on.

Secondly, he did the self vote early on which can be a scumtell.

vote kravhen

[Kinetic]

Unvote, Vote:Dragon

I'm fully prepared to admit Logic could be town, but I was trying to see what I could develop out of him while I could act with impunity about to die. That being said, Dragon is one of my highest suspects. If he thinks a bandwagon is the right way to go, I say we should let him take the lead .

[LoudmouthLee]

It is day 1.

12 players remain: Brutal Assassin, Dragon Phoenix, Jimmy R, Kinetic, Mert, PoppinPuffin, Stewie, kravhen, logicticus, schismatized, somestrangeflea, xyzzy.

7 votes are needed for a conviction or 6 to go to night.

5 votes for Kinetic (Dragon Phoenix, Mert, Jimmy R, PoppinPuffin, kravhen)
2 votes for Dragon Phoenix (Brutal Assassin, Kinetic)
1 vote for Jimmy R (xyzzy)
1 vote for kravhen (logicticus)
1 vote for logicticus (Stewie)

2 players have not voted: schismatized, somestrangeflea.

Activity check incoming.

[LoudmouthLee]

Jimmy R last posted 32 hours ago. If Jimmy R does not post within 16 hours, he will be modkilled. Shape up, Jimmy! (His grace period has been used)

Xyzzy is now entering his grace period, as he has not posted within the last 24 hours. Get on it!

[xyzzy]

It seems to me the Kinetic is just being very newbish scum. Not useful, nor protown.

I don't see how a scummy defense makes him less scummy.

[Stewie]

DP is playing the way he always plays day one. Could be scum, but the fact that he wants a bandwagon day one is no indication that he is.

[Dragon Phoenix]

As much as I hate to do this, because Kinetic is acting ridiculous right now, I'm going to

Unvote

on the basis that I don't believe Kinetic, as scum, would have made a post while at -1 in which he gave his thoughts on everyone in the game.

Everyone? Those on the bandwagon plus one. Still happy with my vote.