Mini 460 - Werewolves! Game over.

[DeathSauce]

Even if someone insinuates cop, I'm a little hesitant to put my vote on him

Why? Give me a logical reason why a cop would out themselves on Day Two to protect a player with 2 votes on them.

But this whole sort of "if you're not with me, you're against me" kind of mentality is a little troubling and kinda scummy

I never said "if you're not with me, you're against me". I said I am tired of the willful blindness I am seeing on the part of the town in this game. If it takes my lynch to open your eyes then make it so.

[DeathSauce]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]You heard him. Vote for Deathsauce. Because in his eyes, he obviously found 'teh group' already. Game's over in his eyes either way.[/quote]
You forgot a rather important part of my statement "Vote DeathSauce OR KALEIDOSCOPE".

Oh, and you misspelled "the" .

[Ectomancer]

If you turn up town, I'll take those points into account DS.

mod: Can we get an update on the vote count and replacement status please?

[Numenorean7]

**blinks**

OK, so now we have K-Scope AND Panzer both telling Blight to shut up because he is looking scummy and you mean to tell me that NOT ONE of the rest of you finds that at all suspicious?

Seriously, the scum tripped up when K-Scope first came out in defense of Blight way too early. They have been trying to back pedal and shift suspicion ever since then. Panzer does nothing but post one-line drivel and no one calls him on it but me. He says "Why haven't we lynched DeathSauce yet" and 2 hours later K-Scope does a 100% complete reversal of opinion and votes for me, and no one blinks. Am I the only person paying attention to this game?

I ask every one of you, what has K-Scope done to make you beleive that his vague hinting means ANYTHING? It is absolutely ridiculous, I have never seen a game of mafia like this where so may people were so willing to believe another player for absolutely no logical reason. Where is the suspicion?

Meanwhile the player leading the vote count, me, happens to be one of the very few players that was not involved in the mistaken lynch of a townie on Day One.

You people are frustrating me to no end. If you can't see that K-Scope, Blight, and most likely Panzer are scum, then I don't know what else I can do to convince you. They are doing everything but waving a giant werewolf flag.

K-Scope is the most dangerous of the three, Panzer posts nonsense, Blight can't keep his scummy mouth from running, K-Scope is the one that began the "Don't vote for blight because I have secret knowledge that you shouldn't ask me about" scheme.

Vote for K-Scope or vote for me, because I can't take it anymore.

I agree that K-Scope and Blight have been acting weird. I think it's more likely that K-scope and Blight are scum together because of Blight's scumminess, but we have to take the possibility that they're telling the truth into account. The rest of the town seems to think is a stronger possibility than I do. If it is a scum ploy, it's working to perfection on most of the town.

Even if someone insinuates cop, I'm a little hesitant to put my vote on him

Why? Give me a logical reason why a cop would out themselves on Day Two to protect a player with 2 votes on them.

Give me a logical reason why the Mafia would out themselves on Day Two to protect a buddy with 2 votes on him. K-Scope's hinting doesn't make sense either way.

mod: Can we get an update on the vote count and replacement status please?

I sent the mod a question on Saturday, and she still hasn't picked it up. Have we been abandoned?

[Off the Mark]

D'oh, hope not - shouldn't Shanba be back by now?

[Off the Mark]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]You heard him. Vote for Deathsauce. Because in his eyes, he obviously found 'teh group' already. Game's over in his eyes either way.[/quote]

That looks scummy as hell, Kscope. Lines like this make me think DS might actually be right, but I still feel good about the read I got on Kscope's and Blights hints, and I'm sticking with it. Kscope seems like he thinks he is confirmed town now and he doesn't have to be cautious anymore.

[DeathSauce]

So no reaction at all to Panzer telling Blight to shut up? Unbelievable.

[Off the Mark]

I have to react to everything? I think Panzer's comment makes sense either way. I see how you could think it's scummy, but it might also be "knock it off Blight, Kscope had to save your ass by soft-claiming once already, now don't continue looking scummy and force him to fully claim to keep you alive". Heck, I told Kscope myself to shut up earlier, because I felt he was giving away too much.

[DeathSauce]

Yeah, it is so common in Mafia for players to watch each other's backs.

What purpose does preventing Kaleidoscope from "giving away too much" serve? What more could he possibly give away? Why are we so concerned with preventing K-Scope from fully claiming? If he is town, he is a scum target no matter what. I say let him claim and we can examine his claim by the light of day, instead of this shadowy "no one had better ask me any questions, just trust me that I am town" nonsense

[Off the Mark]

If he is town, he is a scum target no matter what.

Not necessarily. There are several possibilities still. Assuming he is town, he could be a cop, a tracker, a watcher, a mason... the scum don't know for sure how high of a priority to put on him until they get a full claim.

I think I know what the deal is, but I don't want to tell the scum exactly what he is, in case they haven't figured it out.

[Off the Mark]

Yeah, it is so common in Mafia for players to watch each other's backs.

Just realized... I see this as watching out for

the town

. It bothers me that you see this as watching out for each other. One of the scummiest things you've said, actually.

[PJ.]

Why hasn't Deathsauce been lynched yet? I'm still wait for an answer. Seriously.

[Off the Mark]

Well for one reason, it's tougher to get the votes when 2 people are completely absent.

[Numenorean7]

Why hasn't Deathsauce been lynched yet? I'm still wait for an answer. Seriously.

You're pushing his lynch. That's why it hasn't happened yet.

Why do you want to lynch DS? The only thing I remember being raised against him all day is his vote of Al near the beginning of D1. Do you want to base the lynch on that single event, or is there something else I'm forgetting?

We should get Shanba back on the 10th, and then we can get prods on Qman and Gatorguy.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

[quote="Off the Mark"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]You heard him. Vote for Deathsauce. Because in his eyes, he obviously found 'teh group' already. Game's over in his eyes either way.[/quote]

That looks scummy as hell, Kscope. Lines like this make me think DS might actually be right, but I still feel good about the read I got on Kscope's and Blights hints, and I'm sticking with it. Kscope seems like he thinks he is confirmed town now and he doesn't have to be cautious anymore.[/quote]I know. But if someone is already claiming to have found the three scum on day 2, I just need to laugh.

[Off the Mark]

FYI - I will be without internet until Monday

[DeathSauce]

I know. But if someone is already claiming to have found the three scum on day 2, I just need to laugh.

Why? It's not like you made it all that difficult, I was already suspicious of you on Day One. Your repeated use of craplogic then was the first hint, your mistaken bussing of Blight on Day Two was the nail in the coffin.

I was on the fence about Panzer, and am still only 98% sure, but when he told Blight to shut up it was a bit of a tell.

[AlSleet]

Why hasn't Deathsauce been lynched yet? I'm still wait for an answer. Seriously.

Because not everybody likes to rush and haphazardly lynch. This sort of thing, combined with everything else throughout this day (lurking for awhile, telling K-Scope to shut up) makes me think you're scum.

vote: Panzerjager

[Aimee]

I`m really sorry guys. I should have left someone to completemy take charge. Shanba co,es back tomorrow, which is lucky since at this point I have almost no access to the Internet. If I am on later I may be able to send prods and things, but I think it`s more likely that Shanba will sort everything out tomorroww.

I`m really sorry about all this (I`m on extended vacation as well at his point.)

[DeathSauce]

All right. Even though I do not understand the credulity of my fellow players toward K-Scope, I have to admit that the reality is that for some reason you are reluctant to lynch a hinted power role.

Since that is the reality, and since I believe Panzer to be scum as well, and since it has not been suggested that he is part of K-Scope's Secret Brotherhood That We Are Forbidden To Question, I'll join that wagon.

unvote, vote: PanzerJager

[Numenorean7]

I agree with DS here. I think Blight has been very scummy, but everyone has been scared off by KScope's hinting. Panzer might be a good alternative lynch.

I'm going to wait for the votecount, at least, because I don't know how many votes Panzer has, and I'm too lazy to figure it out.

[PJ.]

Alright. I really don't have it into me to defend myself. I'm having problems in my personal problems, and have been for the couple of weeks. I feel deathsauce is scum because his arguements have been baseless and is riding the good things he said far too hard. I feel Deathsauce is the ONLY good candidate for lynch right now. Anyway, I'm Vanilla Town. Take that however you want and lynch who you please. I'm out for a a day or two at least.

[Ectomancer]

*sigh*

You know that just gives scum better odds of getting a power role if you are vanilla. You weren't under any real pressure.

Hoping for a

mod

soon. We need prods.

[Shanba]

Alright guys, am back, will be prodding, replacing, etc. as soon as I get a handle on things, check some of my other games, see what I need to catch up with. Thanks to Aimee for covering while I was gone.

[Shanba]

Alright. I'll get you a vc when I can access my notes on the other PC, but for now be secure in the kowledge that I'm prodding evryone ingame and sorting out the debris from there.