Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Wickedestjr]

1. I've made my hopping on leading wagons well known and I've given my reason why. If you disagree with my reasoning you would have brought it up instead of leaving the accusation at me being opportunistic.

2. You're ignoring cerb's lack of vote and lack of overall scumhunting to tunnel on awkward phrasing on my behalf. If I were to address anywhere in this quote wall where you start to bold my words the argument would divulge into semantics.

3. You're grasping at straws to hold onto your case to me and saying I'm on a "wicked sucks" tangent to hide it behind a cross between "woe is me" and "disregard the tunnelfuck."

4. I don't even understand why you're doing this since it doesn't contradict the fact that your accusation on cerb was wrong.

5. Also I'm not sure what wagoning an easy target has to do with anything. I'd consider cerb a safe bus target atm so attacks are likely to come from both alignments

1. I don't remember you explaining this. I literally just Ctrl+f'd "wagon" in your iso and still couldn't find it. Mind giving me a post number?

2. You initially voted Cerb for the theory conversation and

then

gave the other reasons in your next few posts. It seems like you found the theory conversation voteworthy and that is my problem. Your additional reasons do nothing to strengthen/justify the initial bad point that you used to vote for him.

3. But you

are

on a wicked sucks tunnel tangent. After calling my vote for you bad, you proceeded to find a scum motivation for my reasonable mistake (wrt Cerb slip) and then criticized all of my attacks. For the record, I'm not hurt personally, but I am annoyed that you've criticized my attacks.

4. But the fact that I've been town reading Cerb all game should be enough reason for you to believe that I'm not interested in just pursuing his easy lynch. Why would I commit myself to a confident town read if that was my eventual plan? Also, I unvoted him as soon as I realized my mistake and before you entered the scene.

5. Usually when somebody accuses player A of pushing an easy lynch on player B, the implication is that A is scum and B is town. It's weird how you can accuse me of trying to push an easy lynch on somebody that you think is scum.

[Wickedestjr]

"dude, what case?

looks like you're overreacting here. at first i thought u were town for this, but seriously when i look at what you were looking at, it seems like you're overreacting and that usually comes from scum"

4 fucking quote comments later IN THE SAME POST

you get this:

In post 294, ika wrote:
from what i recall ank is lurky as scum so my town read on him is based that hes active and pushing the game foward as well.

"agreed!"

How do you move your view on Ank so quickly in the same bloody phone post, just to buddy up ika? That's not town. No way that's town. The distraction manoevres on Z when I spotted it and continued pushing on it were appalling, too. Textbook Metal scum just like Pokemon.

I'm not a fan of this point against Sonic. Four quote comments is an unusually small span for townSonic to change his mind but it is

also

an unusually small span for scumSonic to forget that he scum read Ank. I think, regardless of his alignment, its much more likely that Sonic's explanation is true than that he is scum that was so obviously/easily caught contradicting himself...

[Wickedestjr]

jaqen is almost definitely town for not going for the easy mislynch on me

Does this apply to everyone that's not suspecting/voting for you?

[Kari]

Leaving for the Casino in about 10 minutes for presumably the rest of the night.

V/LA UNTIL MONDAY because weekends mean family time.

[Lying Cat]

Thing is, in my perspective the wagon is by all town. You don't think ZZZX is town, but I do.

Why? Legitimately. I want to know why in particular each member of the wagon is town.

Yea, I haven't seen anything to make me think he's town yet.
VOTE: Hiplop

Yea, I haven't seen anything to make me think he's town yet. VOTE: Hiplop

So... Why vote him? He hasn't done anything town. But you also don't share what makes him scum? Why wander blindly onto a lynch you don't actually care about instead of, you know, pushing someone you think is scum?

And before you mention the rest of your post, why are either of those scummy? Cause you didn't say shit.

Nope! I'm just hoping that I'm not being dumb in trusting you to be town.

I'll spoil it for you. You'll continue to townread us for today. Tomorrow, you're gonna have doubts, but dismiss them. Day 3 you're gonna paranoia scumread us, and then N3 we get shot, and you kick yourself because we were obviously town the next day.

Think I can compile a readslist, though.

Mac
Lying Cat
ZZZX
Ankamius
Tere
Cerberusv666
Jaqen Hghar
Wickedestjr
vezokpiraka
Kari <--This is the nullline.
ika
hiplop
Shakira Confirmed
Flubbernugget
Bins
Sonic Boom

I'll continue tomorrow.

Jaq higher, Z and Cerbs lower. Hiplop is probably a designated mislynch, given how fast that wagon formed with roughly fuckall of a case to push it. I expect the wagon has two scum. I'm also waffling hard on Titus. I keep going back and forth there and I'll need more time to actually work out what Titus's endgame is here. And I have no idea on Mac. You'll have to elaborate for me sometime D3.

Did anyone else read mastins post as all? Cus i did not.

Ill check back in when i get home from work i am juet getting ready

Are there any posts you are reading?

I am not liking Hiplop, still didnt quote hte posts in question is trying to build a wagon on my cus ~gut~ . Even if dont do it that far and I am the most random gut player here...
eitherway Bins reading hiplop as town is giving me da weird vibes, there is some "scum wouldnt do that" but thats too dumb

Eitherway that hiplop flips i feel that bins is scummy now.

discuss.

Yeah, so, uh... Why is hiplop scum? You seem to have a better reason on Bins than hiplop.

Vote Bins.

Sonic, you too. Tell Titus that you're buying my goodwill. Leave hiplop for tomorrow.

Mastin is town. The Bins wagon fell apart in spite of Bins making a bunch of bad posts, and there's still a ton of people who keep talking about how they'd like to vote Bins. And there's one vote there. Why?

[Bins]

Mac
Lying Cat
ZZZX
Ankamius
Tere
Cerberusv666
Jaqen Hghar
Wickedestjr
vezokpiraka
Kari <--This is the nullline.
ika
hiplop
Shakira Confirmed
Flubbernugget
Bins
Sonic Boom

ugh

also

ZZZx
ugh

why townraed from taht
why

also

LYING CAT
please

also

jaqen townread gone
because
i think he could fake thisd now
cause fuck this

VOTE: lyinggcat


i am sober i promise

[Jaqen Hghar]

ass

Is this one knowing how to pilot a helicopter? No? Is that meaning

none

are possessing the ability? That you can/can't see associatives without flips is quite irrelevant. A man is using what skills he has and is quite aware of his limits tyvm.

Mac
Lying Cat
ZZZX
Ankamius
Tere
Cerberusv666
Jaqen Hghar
Wickedestjr
vezokpiraka
Kari <--This is the nullline.
ika
hiplop
Shakira Confirmed
Flubbernugget
Bins
Sonic Boom

ugh

also

ZZZx
ugh

why townraed from taht
why

also

LYING CAT
please

also

jaqen townread gone
because
i think he could fake thisd now
cause fuck this

VOTE: lyinggcat


i am sober i promise

Actual D1 scum surrender and still Z is a better lynch.

[Shakira Confirmed]

Yea, I haven't seen anything to make me think he's town yet.
VOTE: Hiplop

Yea, I haven't seen anything to make me think he's town yet. VOTE: Hiplop

So... Why vote him? He hasn't done anything town. But you also don't share what makes him scum? Why wander blindly onto a lynch you don't actually care about instead of, you know, pushing someone you think is scum?

And before you mention the rest of your post, why are either of those scummy? Cause you didn't say shit.

At this stage, I'd expect to see something that looks a little like town motive. Even now, hiplop is just avoiding the game, not answering any of my questions to him. Scum motive = laying low hoping partners get a mislynch for him. Town motive = ???

[Shakira Confirmed]

Did Bins claim to be a power role?

[Shakira Confirmed]

Flum's head atm:

Town:
vezokpiraka
ZZZX
Tere
ika
Cerberus v666
Ankamius
Bins

Null-town:
Flubbernugget
Sonic Boom (I'd rank them town, but Marq makes me less sure)

Null:
Mac
Kari
Wickedestjr
Lying Cat

Null-scum:
Jaqen Hghar

Scum:
mastin2
hiplop

[Shakira Confirmed]

Bins herself is more of a null-town, but the wagon and suspicion on her feels weird.
Jaqen has been tunneling it since the get-go.
Lying Cat is doing pre-flip scum associations with her.
Mastin is, well, I dunno what she's doing.
Wicked votes for her, and Bins complains. Then he unvotes?

[Shakira Confirmed]

Hiplop is a much better lynch than Bins. Especially since Bins claimed to be some sort of power role.

[Shakira Confirmed]

Achievement Get!

five

six posts in a row!

[ika]

mastin - i would lynch in a heartbead honestly its pretty clear what masitn doing and i think its shitty and fake

What are you talking about here?

What mastin is doing

[ika]

Are there any posts you are reading?

yes i just find no need to respond off hand.

other times i fall asleep due to my new work hrs

[mastin2]

Hiplop is mega desperate for a cw.

Pretty sure hiplop

is

the counterwagon. To Bins and Sonic Boom.

That those wagons fell apart (particularly the Bins wagon), and the hiplop wagon didn't, tells loads about it.

Like I said.
Yeah, hiplop's posting is pretty awful. I just don't think he's scum.

On the other hand, when it comes to Bins, on the one hand her posting is more friendly (which is why I don't want to lynch her), but on the other hand I really think she's actually scum (which means I have to ).

The hiplop wagon was interestingly fast, and cropped up in response to the bins one. That means hiplop is probably town, and at least one of Bin's partners is involved in pushing the wagon.

Oi!

Stop stealing my content before I can make it mine!

(Did I mention Lying Cat is town?)

aaaand this looks like a super backtrack because of the bad vote above.

Vote: Shakira Confirmed

#924 looks like some really good analysis from the jingle head of lying cat; happy to say there are town for now at least.

No argument here! (Even if I wasn't already, this post alone would be enough to call Mac town.)

Hiplop is mega desperate for a cw. Interestingly won't sheep the sonic wagon

>desperate for a counterwagon
>won't vote the two big wagons either side of him
something doesn't add up.[/quote] (Like, seriously, this is just town.)

This is one of those situations where I can simultaneously understand why hiplop has so many votes, and yet the fact that this one point

got

so many votes makes me wonder if it's really a scum case.

My feelings exactly. (Did I mention Ankamius is town?)

So bins you and hiplop are both scum?

(Note that Flubber's on hiplop at this point.)

[mastin2]

I reaaaly hate LC's interaction with hiplop. If hiplop flips scum LC is next.

Very important question: still hold this belief?
Very important question #2: If you haven't stated it already, what's your read on me?

Does this seriously worry no one else? Push on bins>wagon on hiplop grows.

*raises hand*

Flubbs may be scum here, BTW.

Pretty much, yeah.

Marquis is posting exactly like he is in Large Theme Signs and Void. Punctuation and all. I told this to Titus in our pt. she confirms the read, though we were holding it close to our chest because we are definitely getting chainsawed if we get so many scum right.

Good point. Hadn't really thought of that particular one against Shakira.

[mastin2]

If Mastina is being pretty clear then clue us in as neither Sonic or I know what she is doing.

Oh, I'm being pretty clear in what I'm doing alright. It's just that if anyone thinks that there's anything scum in it, they're either scum or horribly,

horribly

wrong. (I don't have the game experience with ika to tell which'd he be. If we had more games together, definitely the former, but since we don't, could be either.)

VOTE: hiplop
i got cold feet earlier but realising that the entire wagon is town driven (sans cerberus) i am okay with this. maybee it could be a mastinwagon that happened in organic chem. i don't know. town can certainly be wrong, but more often than not they are right

Jaqen, you want a player being cheeky,

this

is a player being cheeky.

[Sonic Boom]

Martina, you are really scaring me here. I see you posting elsewhere and now I see what looks to be whiteknighting from you. (Hiplop's posting is "Pretty awful" but you don't think he's scum). Then there's the quibble with over the definition of counter wagon. It doesn't matter which came first in a good vca but rather what options scum feel they have.

Bring me some good Mastina logic on why hiplop is town, or I am turbo tunneling you if hiplop flips scum.

I know Sonic wants our vote on Bins but I don't see scum Bins. I see scum hiplop.

[Sonic Boom]

Oh and ika did tell me what he thinks you are doing in that non answer by the way. I doubt he's right though.

[Shakira Confirmed]

Your meta on Marq needs work Sonic.
Also, Mastin's "Good point. I haven't thought of that!" to a person saying they have a meta scum read makes no sense. Anyone town reading Mastin needs to say why. Don't be intimidated by her, "people scum reading me are scum "

[mastin2]

Mastin's posting is ew

Substantiate this. I'm not interested in anyone else's answer before Flubber's by the way.

Frankly, I don't care about Flubber's response.

It's

Sonic

taking the same stance that is.

[mastin2]

Sonic super readslist @ Page 51

STRONG Town

Sonic Boom (Metal Sonic + Titus)
ZZZX
Tere
vezokpiraka
Jaqen Hghar
------- <---- dont lynch above this line

Town

Ankamius
Flubbernugget
Wickedestjr
Mac
------- <------ line of maybeness

UNSURE/NULL

ika
Lying Cat (sthar8 + Jingle)
mastin2
Kari
Cerberus v666
--
Shakira Confirmed (Marquis + Fluminator)
hiplop
Bins

Scum

God

damn

it, Sonic.

Every fiber of my body is telling me that this is you, somehow, being scum. That either you're bussing a lot or my other reads are wrong. That you're making a list to look good. Every bone in me. Especially considering Titus. And knowing that you're you, that you're perfectly capable of pulling something like this and getting away with it.

But goddammit. This post alone is making me think, no. It shouldn't. Given the above I should still be thinking, scum. But I'm not.

...Do me a favor and vote Bins for me, though?

[Sonic Boom]

Mastina, if you think Sonic is talking to you, your reading comprehension needs work.

Doubly so if you think it's Sonic in the way of voting Bins...or are you in the middle of making multiple catch up posts again...

[Sonic Boom]

mastina, I

dont

freaking

trust you.

Vote bins for

you

? Nah.

If I'm voting, I'm voting bins for jaqen

Not you

I don't take a single post of yours into account