Open 38 - Jester Mafia 12p (Game Over!) - before 484

[ryan]

/confirm

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Vote:spectrumvoid

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Vote: The Central Scrutinizer

Looks as though we may have found the jester already

[ryan]

Pfft. I'm not even going to try to gambit Jester. Mafia would just NK anyone they thought was Jester.

I see no other reasoning for why you'd vote yourself unless you are indeed the jester.

[ryan]

Pfft. I'm not even going to try to gambit Jester. Mafia would just NK anyone they thought was Jester.

Why did you vote yourself than?

[ryan]

Pfft. I'm not even going to try to gambit Jester. Mafia would just NK anyone they thought was Jester.

Why did you vote yourself than?

What the hell is that jibberish?

[ryan]

I think he's trying to point out that it's page 2. I think the bigger question is why he's drunk at 8:14 am.

I realize it's only page 2, but still why vote yourself? I don't care if you are drunk, stoned or just bored, that seems odd.

[ryan]

MOD: Any chance when you tally up the votes and post a vote count you could also include the players that aren't voting

[ryan]

VOTE: nightfall

Why replace when we can just lynch deadweight.

lol

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this post. Lynching somebody who could be town is NOT a good solution, I also don't like that "lol" you put in at the bottom, almost a way for you to backtrack later if necessary.

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I think the mistake's made about Jester's is they don't normally make it obvious who they are. He could have slipped up and said that, but that "lol" at the end to me is the suspicious part, he could have done that so he could go back under suspicion and say "oh I was joking"

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Unless Ben is an alt, nope. I don't think an inexperienced player would try to be that subtle as Jester. I could be wrong though. It's known to happen.

I am actually not so inexperianced as when I first signed up here at MS. So, usually there is a method behind my madness in

which I don't care to explain at the present

.

And when will you be open to explaining?

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benhalkum: Can't say I like the secretive play you have going on right now

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When I first saw the Jester role in here I admit that I didn't think we'd seen anyone try and play it this early in the game BUT distad brings up a good point of scum trying to buddy up to the role, I'll admit to not having thought of that and will definetly be something to put in the notes

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Jex: Why would he say he is playing a new way but doesn't feel like telling us how? Seems like he's trying to use that as a ploy to prove he's town (which it doesn't)

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Jex: And your thoughts about this "secret playstyle"

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, saying you have a secret playstyle is always a cop out for actually giving information/content and I'm not a fan of it.

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Unvote/Vote:benhalkum

I just don't like the play, I feel as though it's the biggest way for a scum to stay away from giving actual opinions and thoughts. I'd like to hear more from you, so call this my pressure vote.

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Unvote/Vote:benhalkum

I just don't like the play, I feel as though it's the biggest way for a scum to stay away from giving actual opinions and thoughts. I'd like to hear more from you, so call this my pressure vote.

: yawn :

I've come to terms that no matter what I say, in ANY game I'm in, that it seems people like to jump on me.

So "pressure vote" me all ya want.

When you are bold enough to say you have a "secret playstyle" what do you expect? You are basically saying, "I know what I'm doing, follow me town" when we have nothing to believe you are town. I guess a couple pressure votes won't change your thinking, but maybe a bandwagon would?

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Unless I messed up counting back to the last mod post, it's 4 votes.

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benhalkum: Are you actively scum hunting or not? All I've seen is you play defense in this game, how about a little offense?

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benhalkum: Post 84 and 87 explain that I voted a pressure vote to get you talking, which you've thrown around quite a few suspicions but than unvoted. I still think you've been sailing along with little information. More in a few

[ryan]

Unless Ben is an alt, nope. I don't think an inexperienced player would try to be that subtle as Jester. I could be wrong though. It's known to happen.

I am actually not so inexperianced as when I first signed up here at MS. So, usually there is a method behind my madness in

which I don't care to explain at the present

.

And when will you be open to explaining?

Prob not here or now. We all play this game different. Got to think, I came from a different bg of the game of mafia, my way of playing seems to confuse people here and make them nervous.

The first time we heard about your “different style of mafia play” Something that still was never explained and it doesn’t make people nervous, it makes them suspicious of you (notice the vote count?)

Unvote/Vote:benhalkum

I just don't like the play, I feel as though it's the biggest way for a scum to stay away from giving actual opinions and thoughts. I'd like to hear more from you, so call this my pressure vote.

: yawn :

I've come to terms that no matter what I say, in ANY game I'm in, that it seems people like to jump on me. So "pressure vote" me all ya want.

That statement isn’t true, giving opinions, thoughts and trying to find scum will show you as a pro town player, something you haven’t done. Your FoS on me is your opinion but as I stated earlier it was a pressure vote, something you said you didn’t fear YET you found time to FoS me for bandwagoning you. So which is it? Do you fear pressure votes or not?

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Let's just cut to the chase benhalkum, who's the scum in this game? (IYO)

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Let's just cut to the chase benhalkum, who's the scum in this game? (IYO)

You and schismatized

Well since I know I'm not scum, why don't you lay some evidence down on schismatized? And don't throw a FoS at me because I've pressured you to own up to your actions, you have deserved every vote that has gone your way by your below average play in this game.

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I'm not sure why scum would take the chance to claim being the jester? That's a pretty big chance

[ryan]

Anyone alive?

I'm alive, ben shouldn't be.

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Unvote:

Welcome to the game and to be fair, I shall give you a chance to comment on a few of the things that ben did.

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Kerplunk: Pretty defensive for somebody replacing in for a top suspect. To say Ben's play was "unusual" is a freakin understatement. His "I'll comment when I want to comment" to me said "I'm a newbie scum and not sure how to build cases" So when I said I wanted to be fair and give you a chance to bring some actual content to the game that is exactly what I want, some content outta that role, we haven't had much of anything from him. You can be defensive the rest of the game or you can post some cases on somebody, your choice.

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Jimmy R: Why do most of your posts seem to be rolefishing?

PookyTheMagicalBear: Why do you seem to be lurking? One giant post to help the rest of your scum I do not consider scum hunting, you've been pretty quiet on who you think is scum, so call mine a pressure vote.

Kerplunk: I appeciate some comment (finally from that role) I still find some of the things your role did earlier to be suspect but I'll chalk that up to "Ben's portrayal" and not yours. For now.

Vote: PookyTheMagicalBear

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Jimmy R: Why do most of your posts seem to be rolefishing?

They aren't. But if we lynch the Jester it's Game Over.

It could be said that you are mafia trying to make sure of the same thing. And yes your posts bring up a cop and a jester in them and seem to be asking for them to step forward.

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I think he's trying to point out that it's page 2. I think the bigger question is why he's drunk at 8:14 am.

he must be the Cop.

And if you want to throw the "oh I was kidding" comeback, feel free but I missed the smiley face after this and to me it looked like you put this in and than it wasn't brought up again.

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Ah yes, it WAS a JOKE (as I predicted you'd say) nice stupid comment at the end, very mature.

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Listen, I'm gonna say this real simple. In a game where you are "READING" people's comments for you to bring up the cop (I don't care in WHAT context) without some smiley face or LOL. So don't say it's being stupid or whatever, I read your post, that's what you said, period.

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In a game where you are "READING" people's comments for you to bring up the cop (I don't care in WHAT context) without some smiley face or LOL. So don't say it's being stupid or whatever, I read your post, that's what you said, period.

You don't care about context? Well then...

I'm a newbie scum

By your logic, that's a pretty damning post you made against youself! Care to explain? =D

And that proves the importance of context.

You have GOT to be f'ing kidding me? You took three words out of a complete sentence that I wrote and are calling me out on that? He wrote the exact quote that I posted, go back and look. That is gotta be one of your dumbest arguments ever. You quoted three words out of an entire paragraph that I posted, seriously what a waste of an argument.

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Jex: OH for pete's sake. I'm explaining why I quoted what I quoted and than ssf comes on and quotes two lines of my paragraph, COMPLETELY two different things. I quoted an entire quote of Jimmy R while SSF comes back and misquotes me, if anything should be looked at it should be what he quoted and tried to use against me. Craplogic at it's best, but do what ya gotta do.

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Also going to

Unvote

for now until I've heard what the new folk have to say.

I'm sorry Jex did you miss this from Jimmy R after Ben was replaced? You seem to be disappointed that I didn't comment after kerplunk's anaylsis, but look at the above gem, same circumstance, same result YET no FOS on Jimmy, but instead a vote on me? Interesting. You seem to miss the point that SSF 100% misquoted me to make me look scummy. I took Jimmy's exact words when quoting him. You throw a vote on me for that?

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I've voted for Pooky to see if a few votes will get him contributing. I had a post completely used against me by only taking certain parts out, how would you feel if I quoted you saying this....

I don't know precisely why, but I'm scum.

That wouldn't please you now would it?

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Jdodge: Welcome back to the game and nice to see some content from you

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vote: Ryan

contribute? what would you like me to contribute?

HOW about some suspicions? Some content? ANYTHING. You've coasted this entire game scum and now you bandwagon vote me? Somebody who has actually contributed? My vote is firmly on you, nice try lurker.

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FoS: d3sisted and JDodge

You can't say I'm right AND than vote me for being defensive. Bandwagon much? Game, I think we've narrowed down our scum possibilities and it looks rather easy. Pooky, you are still the lynch for today, your scumguide was just too much for me and now you come in and vote me with NO reasoning? Or content? My pressure vote is a solid vote now. And d3sisted and JDodge, I cannot believe that scum would be that dumb as to post how you two have, so I'm predicting one of you is town and the other jumped on to make it look like they were town as well. I would say you three have some explaining to do.

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I haven't vote hopped, Pooky deserves a pressure vote and you two hopping on an obvious attempt at a bandwagon deserve a FoS. Why so jumpy? JDodge states NO case you think that's acceptable? Come on now

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I didn't base my vote entirely on what JDodge thinks, I also reread the thread and I think you're the scummiest at this point.

Your posts reek strongly of OMGUS right now, and I think the only reason that you FoS instead of Vote is that you're afraid I will call you on it.

This makes me even more certain that you are scum. My vote is permanent.

You are the one being very defensive about a FoS, why is that? Would you rather me drop a vote? You basically are reusing somebody elses theories and than saying, "yeah I re-read you are scum" how is that pro town? Content, post references, reasons, those I can buy and at least have something to defend, right now you are giving me nothing to defend, so don't drop a OMGUS type deflection, you haven't given me anything to defend so what should I talk about?

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ryan, I have never encountered such a dedicated poster as you. (That's a compliment.) Although normally I would find that highly suspicious, but as Jex stated that this is your regular playing style: I am giving you the benefit of the doubt.

d3sisted gets scummier with every post. I'd be happy to lynch him.

I will be away this weekend. On monday I will post again.

You can metagame me all you want, (or check my profile) when I'm in a game I contribute quite a bit.

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d3sisted gets scummier with every post. I'd be happy to lynch him.

Wow. Everyone is so eager to get on my case that you all just let this slide by the radars?

Kind of like people who disregard questions asked to them?

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Atticus: I never said I didn't make a "snarmy comment" (whatever the heck snarmy means, snippy, sure, but snarmy? Uh.........sure)

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I understand the mistrust of d3sisted as I feel the same way but PookyTheMagicalBear has posted just enough to stay active and yet doesnt seem to be getting any suspicion and without trying to push a lynch on the town, any reasons why some of you voting otherwise haven't looked at him?

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Wow. I'll be interested in d3sisted response to that ^^^^ a pretty compelling argument there Numenorean7, something I need to consider. I'm still not a fan of PookyTheMagicalBear completely ignoring my posts toward him (and the game in general)

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Wow. ryan and Jex have both said "wow" about my PBPA, and Jimmy R seems almost convinced. This is making me a little nervous.

It's solid evidence Numernorean and when the evidence is right there, it's tough to argue right? I'm not saying I'm 100% sold on him being scum but it has given me something to think about

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Jimmy R: I'm interested in your idea that a Jester would not defend himself (or herself) isn't it also possible that a Jester would respond with terrible comebacks as to implicate himself even more to get lynched?

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ryan, Jex, Jimmy, distad; though the former three didn't actually place a vote, they're pretty damn close.

Claiming townie role.

I have placed no vote d3sisted but you do seem very shady in this game (kinda like a game we just finished together)

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@distad: Atticus prompted for a claim.

Isn't -2 a little early to be asking for claims?

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You've completely avoided my question.

No I just didn't notice the claim that was asked for on -2, I found that strange and wanted to comment.

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I have placed no vote d3sisted but you do seem very shady in this game (kinda like a game we just finished together)

Ok, so point out how I seem shady. Up until now, you haven't shown much suspicion of me, so I take it you're just going along with stuff that's already been said. Otherwise, I'll just be forced to conclude that we have another opportunistic wagoner on our hands.

Its the entire way you carry yourself around bandwagons. It seems when one gets close you are very quick to throw a little suspicion on the person who's got the bandwagon and hop on. I don't feel it's enough to throw a vote on you but I'm not gonna deny that Num and your exchange was a good one and some points (from both parties) were good and thought provoking.

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Still here. I'm just watching at the moment.

Care to comment anymore than just "I'm here?"

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We have 11 pages of information and you don't have anything to contribute to the game?

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What do you mean with "Doing so now would just distract from everyone else." It seems an essential word is missing here. :p

I mean that I would like to see where the current suspicions are running without breaking them up with the case on ryan.

If you have a case on me. please feel free to state it.

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Max: Why are you suggesting who should be nightkilled?

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But you suggesting who to nightkill can REALLY backfire. What if you suggest to nightkill a power role? We have no evidence on Pooky being a jester (I'd lean more toward mafia at this moment on him) I don't like somebody helping the scum in a game where we the town are suppose to be eliminating them.

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Pooky has an inability to play forum mafia. I've never had a game with him where he wasn't a horrible lurker. Commonly the town will lynch him because his small posts look like scum.

A much better choice than killing would be replacing

.

Actually I mentioned lynching, NOT killing. Killing is only done at night..........by scum

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Killing is what Max suggested...

I understand but repeating it doesn't make it any better, just makes you two look in cahoots with eachother. My Pooky pressure vote got nowhere, so for now

Unvote:

d3sisted and Max are the two I've got my eye on currently but not enough to place a vote.

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I think I'd actually support a

replacement

for pooky, with Jimmy at a close second.

I still dont understand his massive post (Pooky's) and than his *poof* just makes no sense to me. But a

PROD is needed on Pooky

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Actually d3sisted, Jimmy just posted Friday

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Above post was about Pooky.

As for Jimmy: Friday. It is now Tuesday.

Oh I understand that, I'm just saying Pooky has been alot more inactive than Jimmy has been.

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I think I'd actually support a

replacement

for pooky, with Jimmy at a close second.

If the players are still on this site and reading this game there is no need for a replacement. If you don't like the way they are playing, that doesn't mean they should be replaced.

Reading the game and participating are two completely different things

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I am sorry, I also mean the point of

the game

mafia.

To add: if you believe someone is purposefully cutting himself off to evade suspiciousness, use your vote to get him to post

.

That isn't always true. I placed a vote on Pooky to get him posting and you saw where that got......nowhere. People who sign up for a game and only participate when they are given a prod irritate me.

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That doesn't give them an excuse just because they are exprienced. I hate the fact that players who "play that way" are given a free pass to Day 2. That's just a joke if you ask me. Everyone is guilty until proven innocent in mafiascum.

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So why do you want to move on to night BUT yet you are worried we could end the game prematurely? That seems to be a slight contradiction

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Maybe voting them would get them to change their playstyle. I just don't like games where people lurk so they don't look guilty, that is just a stupid excuse to not participate. This game is about playing, and people who don't want to do that shouldn't sign up for games.

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Welcome yeahitismark

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To those not voting d3sisted (including yours truly) who are the other top suspects at this time? Seeing d3sisted at -1 makes me skeptical that a few scum hopped on that wagon. Especially with him being at -1, I'm not confident on him as scum. I'll do a re-read and see if anything jumps out worth hammering.

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Damn it