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[somestrangeflea]

Thanks! I'm reading through now. It's an awful lot!

I wanna get caught up fully before I post anything. I don't want to be basing my arguments on the the half-stories!

[somestrangeflea]

After an hour or two of reading, I've gotten to post 300. No-one's even been lynched yet.

It's highly likely that I'll end up with knowledge of the thread that is vague, and I may miss some points. If some people, preferably as many as possible, could post a thread overview, so it could be easier for me to catch up, I would be very greatful.

Thanks!

[somestrangeflea]

After reading through the thread, (which took four hours, btw...) the only things which stood out as particularly interesting were the entrance of Thesp, and the "If the Townie wants to live, is that a bad thing?" argument. They stood out, in that after reading, those were the only things I even remember.
Here's my "List of General Feelings I Have To Everyone Else™":

Good Vibes

Bad Vibes

Neutral Vibes

John

-->

TeamQuiggan

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Lateralus

- John and TQ both didn't give me any particular vibe, whereas Lateralus hasn't really posted anything big.

Avynil

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DeathSauce

- Avynil didn't post that much, but seemed to have actual, real life reasons. DeathSauce has some good reasoning, and seems to have reacted well to some statements, but seems just a little too aggressive for my liking.

Occult

- Seems to know what he's doing. Getting a general "I know what I'm doing" vibe. Don't know if that's a good or bad thing though.

gorckat

- Seems to be a genuinely nice guy. I personally think there's a good chance that he's pro-town.

mustafa15

- No particular vibe off mustafa. Seems sensible. Similar to Occult IMO.

DLMF

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Thesp

- DLMF had a very distinctive lurker vibe, but when Thesp arrived, he managed to provoke discussion. I didn't agree with some of what he said, but still...

Peter Venkman

- I don't know why, but I really hated the "If I asked you to jump through a hoop of fire..." line. I'm afraid I don't like the attitude of that.

Ichigo

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Paradoxombie

- Ichigo had vague posts and a general lurker attitude. Paradoxombie does seem incredibly scummy. It may be newbie-ness, I'm not sure, but

IGMEOY

Vryklan

-->

CrashTextDummie

- Vryklan didn't post much, and I don't get much of a vibe from CTD, so I can't really comment here.

Paradoxombie is the only current player I distinctly think is Scum, and gorckat is the only current player I distinctly think is Townie. Everyone else I have a general middle ground on, in that I have no real reason to suspect them.

@Gorkcat: I thought of this. But I figured the different views from each person could be a point of discussion. I was clearly wrong!

[/post]

[somestrangeflea]

So....

What your saying is you basically have no real handle on the game.

There's no need to put it so bluntly, but yeah! I've only read through the topic once, which is enough to form a basic opinion. I will develop my opinion through re-reads, but it is highly likely that I will play the game, mainly, using events which have transpired

since my arrival

, which means I will likely be forgiving towards any mistakes may have made.

Thanks for your effort!

What do you mean no vibe on CTD? He's been a fairly prolific poster.

He has been, but, IMO, his posts seem to be fairly balanced overall. And by "no vibe" I meant "nothing major pushing him either pro- or anti-town."

[somestrangeflea]

EBWOP: "...more forgiving towards any mistakes which may have already been made."

[somestrangeflea]

Firstly, thanks! The search by player function is useful, but then it's hard to get posts in the context of other posts, which kinda sucks.

I understand why you said what you said, and I am intrigued at his response, and am thus grateful to you for it. I just personally didn't like it. That's just my opinion on the tone of the post. I agree with your reasoning behind it.

And, as for why it seems to be the highlight, upon my read through the thread, there were three things that stood out:
1. The "Do Townies want to die?" argument.
2. The arrival of Thesp.
3. Paradoxombie's reasonably poor attempts at defending himself.

Those were the things I

thought stood out

could distinctly remember afterwards. I was tired...

[somestrangeflea]

Updated Votecount

with updated names.

Paradoxombie (3): gorckat, mustafa15, Lateralus,
DeathSauce (2): CrashTextDummie, Thesp
somestrangeflea (1): Peter Venkman
CrashTextDummie (1): DeathSauce

Not voting: Paradoxombie, Occult, somestrangeflea

10 alive, 6 to lynch.

[somestrangeflea]

well chillax gang i have 33 pages too read and i joined not to long ago so im still tryin to get an total overview of the situation...

I joined 4 days before you, so I'm new too, yet I've managed to get read up in 2 days. Why is it taking you 5?

im not gonna clarify anything just yet im gonna sit back and see what the others say first

Active lurking?

IGMEOY: Lateralus

[somestrangeflea]

He doesn't mean you're not here, he's implying that you

won't

be here (IE you'll be lynched).

[somestrangeflea]

Im still sticking with my PX vote he has been odd and if he doesnt get voted then hopefully he gets arrested..

You still haven't posted anything of any real substance. Please do, or you'll find yourself voted incredibly quickly.

[somestrangeflea]

Vote: DeathSauce

AoS: Lateralus

HoS: Paradoxombie

FoS: Gorckat

I've always suspected Paradox, but the recent events involving DeathSauce have made it too hard not to vote for him. Lateralus and Gorckat seem like a likely scumpair, esspecially given Lateralus' recent lack of activity.

[somestrangeflea]

EDWOP: ...especially given Lateralus' lack of substance to his posts.

[somestrangeflea]

Flea: Tell me how Lat's actions reflect at all on me. Why does his inaction make me look scummy. What have I done that's scummy?

I think that Lateralus' actions were ineffective distancing. And you have to distance yourself

from

something...

And what events make you vote DS?

The same events that made you, Occult and PV vote DS...

[somestrangeflea]

flea also was trying to draw pretty crap links between me and Lat. I'd still like that substantiated a bit more.

I agree. My sole base for suspiscion was "Guilt by Assosciation", which is why I gave you a Finger of Suspiscion, in comparison to Lateralus' rediculously dramatic Arm of Suspiscion. If there's something

less

that a finger of suspiscion, I'll un-FoS and do that instead. Promise...

flea and Occult rise right to the top for FoS, being the last two, quick, votes on DS.

Says the person who voted DS

four minutes

after PV...
That's like Bandwagoning in advance!

[somestrangeflea]

Let me get this straight. You changed your vote from one of your prime suspects to the other, purely on the reasoning that you wanted one of them on 4 votes?

And you accuse me of bandwaggoning?

[somestrangeflea]

Vote: DeathSauce
AoS: Lateralus
HoS: Paradoxombie
FoS: Gorckat

As promised

un-FoS: Gorckat, IGMEOY

Consider Lateralus and xombie my "list", with Lateralus on top!

Vote: Lateralus

AoS: Paradoxombie

You've both been promoted.

[somestrangeflea]

And could i get a reason why you voted for me? I mean right after SSF accused me and you of "working together" you voted for me

Yeah, what's up with that? I accuse Gorckat of working with Lateralus, and Gorckat immediately replies by...

...voting for Lateralus.

You can draw your own conclusions from that...

[somestrangeflea]

Sorry, I agree that was bad usage of the words "immediately".

Since you think Lat's scum, is it strange I might come to that conclusion, as well?

Kinda, since you haven't given us

any

reasoning! I'm going to assume you actually have reasoning, for now, but I wanna hear it soon!

[somestrangeflea]

I know! Similey-Smiles!

Anyhoo, I'm kinda thinking Lateralus is Scum due to his, IMO, hesitant entry into the game. Whilst I realise that this was, like, a day ago, I haven't really got much else to go by, since he's only posted

nine

times in 12 days. Active lurking is a basic summary of my reasons.

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Day 3, First official vote count:

Lateralus (2): gorckat, somestrangeflea
mustafa15 (1): Thesp

Not voting: Paradoxombie, Peter Venkman, Occult, mustafa15, Lateralus

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[somestrangeflea]

I know! Similey-Smiles!

Anyhoo, I'm kinda thinking Lateralus is Scum due to his, IMO, hesitant entry into the game. Whilst I realise that this was, like, a day ago, I haven't really got much else to go by, since he's only posted

nine

times in 12 days. Active lurking is a basic summary of my reasons.

Actually, I'm thinking the opposite - Lateralus isn't scum.

FOS: somestrangeflea, gorckat.

I'd like to hear some guesses from Peter Venkman.

I get FOS'd for thinking someone is lurking.

Thesp> I'm learning that my scum radar is piss poor. I was convinced VRK, Death, and Guardian/PickEm were all scum.

Earlier in this game I was accused of "leading the town." I wish I could keep up the momentum, but after two lousy picks, I'm not feeling it. In addition, I realize that my poor judgment is a tool that can be wielded against me now. For that I have no defense, and if it becomes an issue worthy of lynching I have further failed the town.

If I understand it right, all that needs to happen now for the town to lose is two townies to put their vote on another town, and the scum can end the game. For this reason I will not be voting haphazardly.

When I have seen enough arguments from everyone I will place my vote.

-Peter

And with that, my opinion of you has been sway from "There's a small chance PV is Scum" to "There's a reasonable chance PV is Town". Well done!

[somestrangeflea]

I know! Similey-Smiles!

Anyhoo, I'm kinda thinking Lateralus is Scum due to his, IMO, hesitant entry into the game. Whilst I realise that this was, like, a day ago, I haven't really got much else to go by, since he's only posted

nine

times in 12 days. Active lurking is a basic summary of my reasons.

Actually, I'm thinking the opposite - Lateralus isn't scum.

FOS: somestrangeflea, gorckat.

I'd like to hear some guesses from Peter Venkman.

I get FOS'd for thinking someone is lurking.

I'm not sure this is an accurate representation of what's happening.

Further FOS: somestrangeflea.

Well I do, hence I said it.

Thesp> I'm learning that my scum radar is piss poor. I was convinced VRK, Death, and Guardian/PickEm were all scum.

Earlier in this game I was accused of "leading the town." I wish I could keep up the momentum, but after two lousy picks, I'm not feeling it. In addition, I realize that my poor judgment is a tool that can be wielded against me now. For that I have no defense, and if it becomes an issue worthy of lynching I have further failed the town.

If I understand it right, all that needs to happen now for the town to lose is two townies to put their vote on another town, and the scum can end the game. For this reason I will not be voting haphazardly.

When I have seen enough arguments from everyone I will place my vote.

-Peter

And with that, my opinion of you has been sway from "There's a small chance PV is Scum" to "There's a reasonable chance PV is Town". Well done!

Copycat.

I have a similar viewpoint to Thesp about a particular event. Ohnoes!

[somestrangeflea]

I never said I cleared you. I said that I had changed my opinion of you. There's quite a difference.

[somestrangeflea]

Conversation has ground to a halt for some reason. Conversations do that for some bizarre reason which I'm not sure about.

Conversation normally resumes after some extreme action is taken. So, for the sake of the conversation, I suggest that

someone

scumclaims...

[somestrangeflea]

Deadline.

Talk to me.

[somestrangeflea]

A deadline is good, but only if the mod doesn't plan on getting replacements for our vanishing "friends".

[somestrangeflea]

A meant a retractable deadline, to force the players to come back!

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Day 3, Second official vote count is the same as the first official vote count:

Lateralus (2): gorckat, somestrangeflea
mustafa15 (1): Thesp

Not voting: Paradoxombie, Peter Venkman, Occult, mustafa15, Lateralus

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[somestrangeflea]

MOD: Prods for mustafa15, Paradoxombie, Lateralus, Thesp in that order please.

[somestrangeflea]

Oh good...

Any thoughts?

[somestrangeflea]

And I guess you could also call it a coincidence that they all just happened to go after me together.

I find it very difficult to see how I've been "going after you". I've made 4 (and I've counted) posts saying that I suspected you. I'm hardly chasing you down!

[somestrangeflea]

Unvote

[somestrangeflea]

After watching you two bitch at each other, I've decided to

Vote: Paradox

.

Because Caps Lock makes you look desperate to shift the focus off you.

And the five thousand exclamation marks isn't helping. Calm down please.

[somestrangeflea]

After watching you two bitch at each other, I've decided to

Vote: Paradox

.

Because Caps Lock makes you look desperate to shift the focus off you.

And the five thousand exclamation marks isn't helping. Calm down please.

Flea> Does the second vote on Day Three have any important implications?

-Peter

I dunno how to react to this question, as I'm not sure whether your asking me "What does your vote mean in terms of the game?" to test my knowledge, or if you're simply asking me "Uh, why?". Because of this, I shall answer the second, and then the first if that's actually what you wanted.

Plus I think it's important to

always keep your vote on someone

Sounds reasonable, but then, when he doesn't vote...

I meant

my vote is unecessary

to keep the game moving. That was the whole point in the first place. I'd leave my vote on someone even if I don't find them that suspicious because at least it keeps the day moving(actually I've been less strict in that rule recently)

You claim that you

meant

that you only voted to keep the game moving.

I clearly explained that situation.

The explanation was clear, it just wasn't very good.

Please be more speciffic Occult, unless you want me to go through all of my posts and point out exactly how every single one isn't scummy.

Yes I would appreciate this.

j/k! Burden of proof, man.

You make a serious post, and then, when called on it, play the "It was obviously a joke" card. And I really hate that card.

ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME?

Your insistence for proof and constant requests to explain why every one of your posts is scummy is a reaction worth noting.

I agree.

You vanish for six days, then return with

I'd like to hear anything new from anybody. I have nothing.

Well, try.

[somestrangeflea]

Sefer used his crystal ball to see that you would make that post, and thus pre-emptively replaced you with me.

He's good isn't he?

[somestrangeflea]

This is day 3. There have been 2 nights. Mind sharing what you "know" from the other night?

[somestrangeflea]

1. Why did you want a deadline?
I wanted a deadline/replacements to prod the players who hadn't posted in a while. I did not expect both.

2. Can you give your thoughts on Occult?
Hammering did seem a tad scummy to be honest, but, IMO, not as scummy as a few people seem to be making it out to be.

3. Can you give your reasons for your Paradoxombie vote?
My Paradoxombie vote is because of general thread-wide tone and attitude. I've maintained a suspicion on him since entering the thread, since I'd prefer to keep a vote because of a general 30-page opinion, rather than hopping back and forward after each and every post.

4. Can you give reasons for your Lateralus vote?
My Lateralus vote was caused by mistaking Newbishness for Scummishnesh. Lateralus came across as massively scummy, simply because I haven't had much experience with newbies. After playing in a few other games (both with and without Lateralus), I've noticed that both he, and other newbies, play in a similar way, and so Lateralus has slowly been sliding down my Scumlist.

So, now what...?

[somestrangeflea]

Due to my recent post about my lowering suspicions of Lateralus, I'm going to

Unvote

.

[somestrangeflea]

Self-defense FTW!

Somestrangeflea

I'll say something interesting about Raffles tomorrow. Basically I found he was active and aggressive, then fizzled out.

Post 804 – SSF joins. Says John/TQ/Lateralus didn’t give any particular vibe (disagree, very scummy). Says Death Sauce is aggressive, yet says he is neutral (I would say scummy.) Says Occult seems to know what he is doing (???), and says gorckat seems like a genuinely nice guy and pro-town (no explanation). He found Mustafa like Occult, and didn’t agree with Thesp on some things (yet doesn’t clarify what he means). He doesn’t like Peter’s attitude (what about his actions?), and says Paradox is scummy, yet doesn’t say why, and says he can’t really get a vibe from CTD. Overall, the perfect scum entrance – is unsure about basically everyone and says one person is scummy. Incredibly non-committal.

Interestingly in post 842, he changes his stance on gorckat completely and says that Lateralus and gorckat seem like a scum-pair. No reasons are given. Jumps on the DS bandwagon. When later asked why he is on the DS wagon, he says “the same reasons you are…”

The interaction between Lateralus and Gorckat seemed a bit too "Do what I say, and you'll blend in fine..." I didn't "change [my] stance on gorckat completely". I made clear that my suspicions were weak, and I later admitted that my suspicions were based on "Guilt by association."

As for DeathSauce, I didn't think there was any explantion needed that wouldn't involve repetition. But, since you asked, I agreed with the others, that the idea of "flailing" was incredibly scummy.

Day 3 he jumps in and votes Lateralus, as well as throwing suspicion against Zombie.

Well why wouldn't I? Don't you think it would be incredibly inconsistent if I voted for someone else? It was a continuation of my list from Day 2.

Wants a deadline, which I find scummy.

Well, so did Occult and gorckat. Are they beyond the reach of your suspicion?

I don’t really like his convenient Paradox vote.

Convenient? How so?

[somestrangeflea]

So no other opinions on Occult's LYLO math? Or anything?

Oh, Occult's LyLo math fails.

Also, I agree with Gorckat's reasoning, but I can't decide if such a slip is worthy of consideration as a scum tell. It's close.

IMHO, it is a scum tell.

My out of the blue vote was an attempt to help conversation a bit, I haven't done much in awhile maybe my lynch (and a bit more discussion on it) could help the town.

I really don't think that conversation was actually

lagging

that much, simply because Aimee's analyses had already sparked discussion. Seemed to me like a desperate attempt to throw suspicion elsewhere...

Vote: Occult

[somestrangeflea]

Well, thanks for a fantastic game all, and a personal commiserations to Occult who I

just

managed to out-town!