Mini 478- Simenon's Too Much Scum: Game Over

[The Fonz]

I don't think it was unreasonable to think it was a reading error, no. (Though, incidentally, I don't think it's necessarily right to give someone a free pass for attacking someone based on not reading their posts right, either). There's a difference between 'think' and 'state as fact' though.

On AlSleet- yes. But the subject of his #32 has been pretty well covered, I think.

[Guardian]

And you think SirWario was scummy despite Rishi's claiming that it was in fact a reading error?

I'm just not seeing why you are finding it suspicious of SirWario to think I was making something out of nothing -- I

wasn't

, but I can see him thinking that I was -- Rishi making a reading error was, to me, by far the most obvious inference that could be made from his statement, and he confirmed that it was a reading error.

mFoS: The Fonz

[The Fonz]

And you think SirWario was scummy despite Rishi's claiming that it was in fact a reading error?

Well, yes. Since the thing I have a problem with is taking Rishi's explanation entirely at face value without any caveats, or giving an explanation in the manner that you did:

OK. I see no reason not to take this at face value.

I don't see how Rishi saying it was an error ought to make me less likely to think this.

[ac1983fan]

fos:guardian

seems to me your acting a little over-defensive, responding to anyything and everything somebody says about you on Page 2. Page 2 is generally still joke phase.

[creampuffeater]

I have been asked to do a votecount, and will, just tonight however

[xerebz]

Unvote; Vote: Guardian

god, instigation is annoying.

[Guardian]

xerbez, do you find me the most likely player to be scum? If so, why?


ac1983, I think we've established that I've been anything

but

defensive -- where are you getting that from?
I'm sick of the joking phase. The joking phase has long been over in my mind. Jokes should die. <-dry humor, but true .


I am still wondering what I think about The Fonz's stance on Rishi's misreading to me. I thought by far the most logical thing to assume was a misread. I asked to get things started and see if Rishi responded that it wasn't a misread.

[AlSleet]

So, The Fonz, you've been quiet through this discussion. What do you think?

Well, no ______ sherlock. It happened overnight.

A few thoughts- firstly, being aggressive is not a scum tell, and never has been. Also, can't see how Guardian's posts have been 'defensive' at all.

I really don't like Wario thus far. Stating as fact that Rishi's '3/7 is not 50/50' was a reading error doesn't sit well.

Besides, being really agressive can be you covering for the fact that you're scum yourself.

Don't like this one bit. How exactly does it 'cover up' for that fact? Being aggressive draws attention to yourself. I don't exactly consider it a town tell (because most players are either aggressive or not depending on playstyle, regardless of alignment) but it does make for better games imho.

Well, passing yourself off as an aggressive townie could be used to eliminate suspicion that you're scum. It's like the argument that he acts too townie, therefore he is scum. It's a possibility, I'm not saying that he's scum for definite because of that.

[AlSleet]

I really don't like Wario thus far. Stating as fact that Rishi's '3/7 is not 50/50' was a reading error doesn't sit well.

Why not?

Because he couldn't know for a fact what another player's motivation/ thought process is. This means that he is jumping to conclusions at best.

Hm.

Do you also find AlSleet scummy for the same reason? He also said Rishi definitely misread.

Also, do you think that it was unreasonable of SirWario to think Rishi's mistake was a misread?

I didn't say definitely. I said I THINK he did.

[Guardian]

Neither did SirWario .

Your attack on me made it seem that you were pretty sure he misread. Are you not that sure??

[AlSleet]

Neither did SirWario .

Your attack on me made it seem that you were pretty sure he misread. Are you not that sure??

I think it's highly more likely.

[ac1983fan]

ac1983, I think we've established that I've been anything

but

defensive -- where are you getting that from?
I'm sick of the joking phase. The joking phase has long been over in my mind. Jokes should die. <-dry humor, but true .

responding to anything and everything on page 2 is overdefensive in my mind...

[The Fonz]

Hello new mod.

And I don't begrudge Rishi his reading error. I've done the same before and it never meant i was scum.

I don't see an 'I think' here.

[AlSleet]

Hello new mod.

And I don't begrudge Rishi his reading error. I've done the same before and it never meant i was scum.

I don't see an 'I think' here.

I don't see a "definitely" either.

[The Fonz]

You didn't need to. 'I won't hold his typing error against him' conveys no doubt whatsoever that it was a typing error.

Well, passing yourself off as an aggressive townie could be used to eliminate suspicion that you're scum. It's like the argument that he acts too townie, therefore he is scum. It's a possibility, I'm not saying that he's scum for definite because of that.

You're actually comparing your argument to 'Too Townie?' 'Too townie' is a terrible, terrible argument and anyone using it should instantly be lynched, and not in the game either. Sure, looking like an aggressive townie, or indeed any kind of townie, is a good way to eliminate suspicion that you're scum. There's a very good reason for that.

[SirWario]

I don't understand what Rishi would have to gain by lying about the reading error. All i can think of is that Rishi tried to bring suspicion upon Guardian, but it appeared to me that he was joking.

Fonz, what do you think his motives could have been for it , in the scenario that he was lying?

[The Fonz]

Oh, that's simple, to try to build a lynchwagon on Guardian based off spurious premises.

As I said, it's not that I don't think it

was

an error- it's that I'm concerned that certain people seem to be jumping to conclusions. Never good.

[creampuffeater]

the official "Why did i take this job?" votecount

The fonz 1 ACfan
Xerebs 2 Jordan, alsleet
SirWario 1 rishi
rishi 2 guardian, the fonz

Any errors please post in thread, I hate the fact this forum doesnt have multiquote, and my handwriting/crossing out skills suck when I rush. same with my spelling >.>

[xerebz]

how does guardian have no votes

[Guardian]

cpe, yeah, you might want to look over the vote count .

xerbez, do you find me the most likely player to be scum? If so, why?

[The Fonz]

how does guardian have no votes

Unhelpful. Lurking in plain view. Answer his question plz kthnxbai.

[xerebz]

alright i think there are enough posts to start actually reading and stop posting incoherently... weeee

[xerebz]

not only did you both you (twice) and the mod misspell my name (wtf, it's written right there), i find your playing style annoying (no offense). i'm sure the feeling is mutual, anyway. i thought more than just me had voted for you. so yea.. let me uh.. do this.

Unvote; Vote: reeshy

whoops typo can't speel naims/press backspace
seems most scum to me with his awkward defensiveness...

[xerebz]

subtract the first 'you' of my previous post ftw.

[SirWario]

xerebz, why would you take off your vote on Guardian? Was it only because there were no other votes for him. It think you're only trying to get a bandwagon on rishi because you gave no other clear explanation of your vote for him.

Vote:xerebz