Open 30 - Fire and Ice (Game Over!) - before 470

[YogurtBandit]

Offical Vote count 7

xyzzy[3] (Mert, Sefer,MBL)
Glork[3] (Crub, LML,vendagoat,)

AutumnEvenings{AE}[2] (Stewie, CTD)
Crub[2] (Glork,mneme)
LML[1] (,AE)
Sefer[1] (xyzzy)
Not Voting[0] (no one)

With 12 alive, It will take 7 to Lynch.

Deadline in 12 hours or So.

[Mert]

Minor FoS: Mert

for paying no attention whatsoever. Seriously. What the hell?

Your post implied there was more to it than what you'd posted, that's all. Sorry for misunderstanding.

I favour a Xyzzy lynch to a Glork lynch today, irrespective of the Doc claim. It's a shame deadline's so soon - I'd like for all players to check in to see if we're going to get a counter-claim but it seems unlikely. I also think it's unlikely that Glorkscum would claim to be Doc in such an open setup where he would almost certainly be counter-claimed if lying. If Glork

is

lying, I think it's more likely he's a townie trying to suck up a night kill than scum trying to survive Day One.

So yeah, Glork is definitely not the play today.

[mneme]

I don't see crub's protection of xyz. But crub copped to it, which is even more curious.

That's not the post where I'm supposed to be protecting xyzzy thats the post where I'm pointing out that if MBL can't read the mod's unvote/vote policy on that same page, then I'm not putting much stock in his opinion of the rest of the thread.

Ah.

Anyway whats wrong with protecting xyzzy? Theres only something wrong with protecting someone if theres a good case the person you're protecting is scum and theres not much of a case against xyzzy at the moment.

This is a no-doc, no mason game.

Thus, if you're protecting someone for reasons that aren't in the thread, there's good reason to believe you're scum with them given a counter-argument.

I believe Glork's doc claim.

[mneme]

Oh, given Glork's claim, I'd prefer to lynch crub over xyzzy, but will switch to xyz if it's needed for a deadline lynch, since xyz lynch is better than either doc or no-lynch.

[Crub]

Ok I believe glork's claim.

unvote glork, vote MBL

Personally I would prefer to lynch MBL over xyzzy. However having said that I would prefer to lynch someone over no-one. I will check just before deadline and change my vote if it looks like there will be a no-lynch. If you think you can get any information about who is scum from my lynch then I am happy to be lynched today, however please don't lynch me because you have mistaken my noobish demeanor for scummy behaviour. I'm just trying to play an honest game.

[LoudmouthLee]

And, a note, LmL: I am

SEVERELY

disappointed in your play so far. You concocted this idea that I'm scum based on your own chosen interpretation of my play, completely choosing to ignore/disbelieve the truth. I'd really expected you to be open to the possibility that I just didn't think about CTD's posting as being buddying. I haven't yet decided if your chosen interpretations are scummy, or just an indication that you're playing poorly this time around, but there is *SO MUCH GOOD INFO* all over the place, and you've just tunnelled on me. Bad LmL. You should be more observant.

FoS/IGMEOY: LML

. Everyone, keep a very scrutinizing eye on this guy. He could very well be scum, too. LML, if you

are

town, hopefully this will serve as a wake-up call.

First off, stop being condescending. I play my game my way. Instead, if you're really the doctor, you played in such a way that you GARNERED suspicion. My case on you was a good one. In other words, if someone ELSE would have made that case, I would have jumped on it. It was a strong case. You were the one playing poorly, not me.

PLUS, I'm half here, thinking that you're trying to DRAG out the doc to get them killed. I still think you're scum, Glork. Honestly and truthfully. We'll see how it goes, huh?

But, since I currently cannot substanciate my gut feeling, I will

Unvote, Vote: MBL

for in a matter of 12 hours, voting for me, then voting for Glork... two separate sides of the argument, when basically no other information was presented to the town. I think, *if* Glork is town, MBL was looking for the wagon with better legs between me and Glork. Saw that it wasn't me... and wen't to switch to the Glorkwagon.

[LoudmouthLee]

Edit: This is even though MBL swiched in the past 12 hours from LML --> Glork --> Xyzzy

[MrBuddyLee]

Glork, why the HELL would you think xyzzy was town this game? Read his posts. And did you even bother for an instant to analyze the main reason I voted for him--the tone of his "it's a trap" comment?

Scum fear traps, not town... I think it's a legit slip by scum.

Any sentiment that I should be lynched for moving my vote around is retarded. Rapid application of pressure at this point is essential to gaining information. Each of my moves has made sense at the time. Feel free to refute.

[MrBuddyLee]

Also, in a game of 12 with 2 2-man scumteams, why would you see any difficulty running scum OR town up to L-1 like xyzzy was? I think your insinuation that he's most likely town is pure bluster.

[MrBuddyLee]

Crub and LML, please elaborate on your votes for me in light of the explanations given for my actions. I think I'm a terrible play today, obviously, and that your votes are in an inappropriate place.

[Guardian]

6 hours remain. 4 to lynch at deadline. Lynch the scumz.

Official Vote Count #7.1

xyzzy[3] (Mert, Sefer, MBL)
AutumnEvenings{AE}[2] (Stewie, CTD)
Crub[2] (Glork, mneme)
MBL[2] (Crub, LML)
Glork[1] (vendagoat)
LML[1] (AE)
Sefer[1] (xyzzy)

Not Voting[0] (no one)

With 12 alive, It will take 7 to Lynch.

[Vendagoat]

I'm still a bit wary of glork, but without a counter-claim it's silly of me not to

UNVOTE

Ok I'm going to go back and do a re-read after I eat some dinner.

[AutumnEvenings]

Back--reading and making comments as I go. I know you all missed me desperately.

Are you giving up because you're scum?

Umm...was this to me? If so, re-read my post--I said

they

(Stewie) had basically given up looking for a reaction.

Ok so far we have two pairs of two going back and forth right now.
Glork and Sefar are both arguing and Xyz and Mert. So now the question is are these the two mafia groups stirring up trouble?

FOS: all four of you. Because so far it's all crap logic started from a bandwagon vote. Problem is, Xyz is still flying around all willy nilly like and that to me is very scummy. Second biggest scum trait is the constant barrage of accusations, thats Glork in my eyes.

I'm a bit hesitant to put another vote on XYZ as it would bring him -2 coupled that we still have a day or two to still talk I am going to hold off till sometime Tuesday to vote.

Till then I am keeping my eyes open. Oh and I guess since I have a random vote out I better cancel that till Tuesday. UNVOTE

Way to not commit to anything there...

FOS:Vendagoat

PBug has requested replacement -- LoudmouthLee replaces PBug, effective immediately!

Hmm. Well, I'll

unvote:LoudmouthLee

then, as part of my problem was the non-posting. Still don't like the bandwagon position, but we'll see.

vote: xyzzy

to get a wagon going quickly. This is not an indication of intent to lynch.

Who the hell puts someone at L-1 without intent to lynch? Bad, bad. I don't

care

that your from my home state.

Fos: MrBuddyLee

for lack of responsible playing.

I'm still a subscriber to the "Third vote on the bandwagon is scum" tell a-la-Jeep... <snip>

Ok, I've never played with Jeep and no offense to him but what's so magic about #3? I've found mid-to-late (but not last), which, coincidentally, is right where your previous incarnation's vote landed (#4) on XYZ.

By the way...any special reason your focusing on

my

wagon, as opposed to XYZ's? 'Cause even if you're scum, you have no way of knowing

my

allignment (pro-town, by the way :p)...so your focus on my wagon seems very odd.

Gah--interrupted. Back soon. Fucking deadline.

[MrBuddyLee]

It wasn't bad bad to put someone at L-1 in that scenario. I believe at the time it was 80 hours to deadline and we needed to accelerate the usual process of action and reaction. No time for pattycake.

[LoudmouthLee]

By the way...any special reason your focusing on my wagon, as opposed to XYZ's? 'Cause even if you're scum, you have no way of knowing my allignment (pro-town, by the way :p)...so your focus on my wagon seems very odd.

Your wagon was completely baseless, and I'm not sold on your allignment either way. Couple that with the fact that you were away (and you let everyone KNOW that you were away...) It seemed dangeous.

The Xyzzy wagon at least had *something* to it. I didn't agree... but it had *something*.

People were looking for reactions on you, didn't get it, and LEFT their votes on you. It just strikes me as completely odd.

[Vendagoat]

Well I'm stumped. Glork is still my front runner on my scumdar, but trying the lynch a claimed, un-countered, doc is just freaking silly.

My second favorites is a tie between xyz and mbl, both are crazy random and neither seems to be building towards much of anything.

I'm going to go with the one with a condescending attitude.

Vote:MBL

[LoudmouthLee]

Well I'm stumped.

FoS: Vendagoat

I hate people who say their stumped. It gives them an "out" if their wrong.

[Guardian]

113 minutes (slightly less than two hours) until deadline. 4 votes required to lynch at deadline.

[MrBuddyLee]

Loudmouth, unhand me you cad. I'm town. (Duh)

[Vendagoat]

Well I'm stumped.

FoS: Vendagoat

I hate people who say their stumped. It gives them an "out" if their wrong.

what and not vote and get fosed for being an indecisive jerk?

my choices. leave my vote on a claimed doc-bad
lurk-bad
just not vote-bad
vote with a reason-just less bad.
the name of the game is mafia bud, everything sucks.

[LoudmouthLee]

Loudmouth, unhand me you cad. I'm town. (Duh)

You're jumpy..

[Glork]

Glork, why the HELL would you think xyzzy was town this game? Read his posts. And did you even bother for an instant to analyze the main reason I voted for him--the tone of his "it's a trap" comment?

Scum fear traps, not town... I think it's a legit slip by scum.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

PJ in Space Monkey. He said my "Are you a Gorilla or a Space Monkey?" question to both him and Masterchief sounded like a trap. He was the only person to bring this up, and he was definitely pro-town.

Incidentally, I *ALSO* thought that Mert's question could have been a trap. It was basically asking Xyzzy to OMGUS somebody, which does not sit well with me.



Also, you still have not given me your thoughts on that list of players that I posted. I want them before this day ends. If you get lynched as town, it would be good to know what your thoughts are... because I am *certainly* willing to switch to you before this day ends.

[LoudmouthLee]

Well I'm stumped.

FoS: Vendagoat

I hate people who say their stumped. It gives them an "out" if their wrong.

what and not vote and get fosed for being an indecisive jerk?

my choices. leave my vote on a claimed doc-bad
lurk-bad
just not vote-bad
vote with a reason-just less bad.
the name of the game is mafia bud, everything sucks.

Right.. but by you posting "I'm stumped" and letting everyone KNOW that you're stumped is much different that actually being stumped.

Everyone in the town is stumped in some way.. otherwise there's no game. But the incessant need to REMIND us that you're stumped... bothers me.

I'd be for a possible vote switch to the Goat.

[Glork]

First off, stop being condescending. I play my game my way. Instead, if you're really the doctor, you played in such a way that you GARNERED suspicion. My case on you was a good one. In other words, if someone ELSE would have made that case, I would have jumped on it. It was a strong case. You were the one playing poorly, not me.

It was not a "good one." It was based

entirely

your choosing to interpret my actions in one very specific way, when there was an equally reasonable alternative. You simply chose to believe that I was scum in spite of my explanations.

Unvote Crub, Vote: MBL

so that at least somebody is at four. I may yet choose to move this vote elsewhere before the deadline. But a lynch must happen one way or another.

[MrBuddyLee]

You're jumpy..

Why shouldn't town be jumpy? If you kill one off, it'll most likely be four scum, five town remaining tomorrow morning, with no opportunity for cross-kills.