SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[Solar Wind]

"Best Town" should be a gamewise thing. Maybe a banner over that game. Or even better discontinued altogether.

[Cephrir]

Please, please, please stop calling me scum for this. You are embarrassing yourself.

[Solar Wind]

Town have no reason to lick someone else's boots the way you have been doing with Tammy, Ffery, and Nacho this whole game. There is no town motivation for that at all.

[Solar Wind]

Town have no reason to treat someone else like a queen and say that anyone that frustrated her has been "kind of a jerk." Scum have motive to suck up and buddy to people. If you actually somehow somehow wind up town here, I'd be disappointed in you as a person.

[Solar Wind]

You will no longer be a man in my eyes. You will be a half-man.

[ooba]

Spoiler: FT's post

This is for Tomorrow:

That was very weird to read through.

You barely here this game.

The town beast in Once Upon cared more and pushed more.

Ooba's first comment about beast ain't a townread.

- I thought scum-beast would have been more active - but I don't like how he's hiding behind a role ('Oh I'm voteless - I cannot be scum'). Still would lean town.

But 1000 posts later, as some folks have begun voting beast as a potential D1 wagon, beast is slight town.

D1 ends, D2 starts, and Ooba starts "reevaluating" his reads:

Beast pushes: TD, House, Vezok, MS, Skybird

I can safely say that at least four of these are town or town equivalent. I've given him enough leeway - he promised to post today and is lurking hardcore. Consider my vote as standing for this wagon too.

Ooba explicitly states that his vote is, at least in effect if not in actuality, on beast. Also note the strong townread on TD here.

About 60 posts later, farside asks for three choices of scum, and Ooba lists beast in the group:

@Farside: I'd say ace, beast, Bitmap

40 posts later, beast is still scum:

I'm thinking beast, td and FourTrouble.

Re-evlauated. I'd put Rach in the town pile. Vezo is town.

I would have said TD is town but he's not done anything D2. The above {beast, TD, FT} looks like a good team. If two of those three flip scum, you can add SW to the scum pile.

Ooba's reevaluated -- TD's scum now -- but beast is still scum. That read hasn't changed.

Ah. A three way executioner thingie.

Heartless and me are discussing beast.

Vote: FT

Based on everything Ooba's been saying, you'd expect him to vote beast. Yet Ooba reverts to voting me. I'm gonna pause here to go through Ooba's last two posts regarding me on D2 (before reevaluating and sanctioning farside's 3 choices of scum):

Vote mastin

FT, I specifically ISO'd you yesterday during the break and came up with 'most prob town' - please post more

Then:

You will not get my vote for the following lynches:

21. Magua iHouse (House and Eyestott), House
8. TiphaineDeath
12. Farside22
13. Solar Wind (F-16_Fighting_Falcon and fferyllt)

14. FourTrouble

18. The Mask
22. vezokpiraka
3. Mastin2 Dcane
24. Xombie

How does voting me over beast square with anything Ooba has said throughout D2?

The next relevant post:

I'll be busy with some RL personal stuff for the next couple of days. Expect skimmed one liner replies. Right now - I still think FT is the best bet for scum (like adorkable in Capcom). But I'm no where as sure since FT's not as bad a adorkable. I think beast will be today's lynch and I'd rather we do this mislynch now than in D6. Probably never going to vote TD.

After supposedly reevaluating things, Ooba sanctions farside's 3 choices for scum -- beast, me, and TD. Yet now -- although nothing has changed since the last time beast, me, TD have posted -- beast and TD are both strong townreads, and I'm a meh read. Unless I'm missing something, either this post is fake, or Ooba's scumread on beast, me, and TD (based on sanctioning farside's 3 choices) is fake. Or both.

Finally:

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Ooba, why are you voting me? What changed your read on me from "not lynching" to "scummiest player among beast and TD"?

Currently, I think there's a high chance that all three of you are town. You at least fall into the bucket of 'scum player who could be playing well'.
- TD's roleblock and the fact that he hasn't even voted one of the two counter wagons makes him town
- I had a mild 'town because he doesn't care' on beast throughout and Oz's switch on you sounded genuine

beast being mild town throughout "because he doesn't care" is more bullshit; it doesn't square with anything Ooba has said. Saying he wants to get beast's "mislynch" over with isn't saying beast is "mild town"; that's calling him strong town. Saying that his vote is effectively on beast isn't saying beast is "mild town"; that's calling beast scum. And listing beast as one of his 3 top scumreads (which is effectively what farside asked Ooba to do) isn't saying that beast is "mild town"; that's calling him scum, too.

Lynch Ooba Tomorrow. Please. That's all I ask. I'm as certain about his lynch as I can be about anything in mafia. beast's flip is not relevant to the above analysis.

So you still haven't answered 'Whats my angle as scum?'. Why would I take these positions with respect to him?

[Solar Wind]

I'm calling you scum because the alternative is to believe that you willingly had your balls removed, placed them in a jar and handed them to Tammy. I'd ask what she said when she took them but I doubt that's the case.

You are just scum pretending. I hope.

[Cephrir]

Jesus fucking christ.

I almost want to replace out I'm so tired of putting up with you.

[dramonic]

._.

[Solar Wind]

I'm interested in figuring out whether you are town or scum.

[Solar Wind]

I mean, I can put it in a more PC manner:

Cephrir, why are you buddying so hard to Tammy, Ffery, and Nacho? Why are you taking their word as gospel and sheeping them around?

[Solar Wind]

Scum buddy town. If you can't see why I am concerned about your alignment, I don't know what to tell you.

[Magua]

My other half of my claim, my ult, is almost suicide at this stage of the game AND creates the biggest weakness I could have next to death and doesn't quite reward me enough at this stage. I would rather save that reveal for later in the game when I can feel more confident in my ability to scumread.[/quote]

No. The question was "What was your thought process?"

Or to put another way: your claiming of stuff that was already claimed looks like someone who read through their ISO and claimed what their predecessor had already claimed (specifically you claimed what beast had already claimed in the neighborhood). That makes it look like not a real claim. beast had reasons for claiming what he claimed and reasons to not claim what he didn't, which I have to imagine, are different from yours.

I'm curious what your reasons are, hence, "What's your thought process?"

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PROTIP TO SOLAR WIND, IMPERIUM, HEARTLESS, AND CEPHRIR:

It's ok to fucking shut up every once in awhile, Jesus Christ on a stick, if you're so goddamn tired of arguing with whoever you can just *stop*.

It's great.

Highly recommended.

[Solar Wind]

Jesus fucking christ.

I almost want to replace out I'm so tired of putting up with you.

^^ This is scum ATE'ing btw. This is what he does as scum. This is what he did in Tales.

[Magua]

So I don't understand the wagon on me (slash beast) because beast didn't read scum to me (yes I technically ISOd myself).

Reconcile that for me, please, with this quote:

It's pretty stupid, I'm Order aligned. Has BeastCharizard claimed role yet?

If you'd ISO'd yourself, why ask this question?

[Cephrir]

I mean, I can put it in a more PC manner:

Cephrir, why are you buddying so hard to Tammy, Ffery, and Nacho? Why are you taking their word as gospel and sheeping them around?

Because I like them, I think they are better players than I am, we have built a rapport over multiple games, and I believe they are town.

[Solar Wind]

Okay. And why are you treating Tammy like royalty?

[Cephrir]

I'm not. I'm treating her like a human being.

[Solar Wind]

Uh, no. Handing her your balls isn't treating her like a human being.

[Cephrir]

Please find me where that happened.

[Solar Wind]

Still think you are scum. Will probably make you dead at the earliest opportunity once we get past this day phase. Thanks for confirming that you are scum.

[Cephrir]

These arguments we've been having are the least alignment-relevant things I will say the entire game.

[Ankamius]

Can this argument end? It's never going to get anywhere it hasn't already been.

[Cephrir]

I'm not the one who keeps insisting on dragging their interpersonal problems into a mafia game.

[Solar Wind]

Was there something specific you wanted?

Not really, I just think you'd be easier to deal with at present because you aren't throwing a fit and S&S has taught me not to even try reading F-16.

So here, he appeals to Ffery because apparently he can't deal with me because I'm arguing with Tammy. Yet, I see no similar appeal to Nacho at all despite Tammy also arguing with me.

Jesus falcon.

Stop.

A townie male with balls would probably have said "Jesus Falcon and Tammy, stop." Yet, Ceph omits any mention of Tammy at all leading me to believe that he is likely scum.

sorry to hear about your dog eyestott.

Hey so this is ffery.

Ceph, what is your Mastin read?

I'm leaning town right now, but I still have quite a few pages to get through.

Tammy don't leave, most of us love you

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Alright, I'm gonna phrase this as nicely as I can.

I like you. I really do. But when it comes to Tammy, based on my observations in games and some discussion thread somewhere, I think you've been a bit of a dick to her. So I interpret the continuing spat as primarily your fault. That's why I told you to stop.

I haven't been talking about it because I didn't want to hurt your feelings, but you're very insistent.

And the ultimate proof that he is scum.

There is no way, no how a rational human being can look at me-Tammy interactions and come away with the feeling that I alone was a jerk.