SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[mastin2]

There's no other scumteam.
Guarantee you, 100%.

[mastin2]

(Now, third parties, sure, there can be more than one, but an actual scumteam? No.)

[Imperium]

(Now, third parties, sure, there can be more than one, but an actual scumteam? No.)

I don't think there's another scum team. Pere flipped mafia, but I thnk it's possible there are more racists. I mean was his role purely designed for ap to kill him?

[Solar Wind]

nacho does make a case against pere that you dismiss.

Where is the case? As far as I remember, Nacho explicitly didn't have a case and was pushing PV as a deadline lynch which was what TSO was either arguing against or taking advantage of depending on his alignment.

[Tammy]

i think you are f16

your tone is fishy

i think you are scum

VOTE: solar wind

If you're talking about the vezok question that wasn't F-16. That was me.

Most players actually ask my hydra who made a particular post before voting us.

If you don't sign your posts, then why does it matter which head made a post prior to be voted? Why should it matter to the voter, and why are you bringing it up as if it matters?

This is a useless question with an obvious answer: if the voter is voting a hydra because a particular head is scummy, of course it matters to the voter what posts belong to who.

My neighborhood is pretty quiet.
If I had to pick one person in my neiborhood as scum it would be peregrine.

This is a lame reaction.

Piping into say I'm fine with everyone posting - nothing pinged my scumdar.

I really think lynching a lurker\low-poster would yield scum D1. Brantz is my pick. And not interested in lynching TD, Vezo or Mask in that list.

I like that.

Vote: Brantz

This is Peregrine's only push of the game. It has nothing to do with any posts that he's focused on during the entire game.

It's not a huge case, but reasoning to push him.

[Imperium]

i think you are f16

your tone is fishy

i think you are scum

VOTE: solar wind

If you're talking about the vezok question that wasn't F-16. That was me.

Most players actually ask my hydra who made a particular post before voting us.

If you don't sign your posts, then why does it matter which head made a post prior to be voted? Why should it matter to the voter, and why are you bringing it up as if it matters?

This is a useless question with an obvious answer: if the voter is voting a hydra because a particular head is scummy, of course it matters to the voter what posts belong to who.

My neighborhood is pretty quiet.
If I had to pick one person in my neiborhood as scum it would be peregrine.

This is a lame reaction.

Piping into say I'm fine with everyone posting - nothing pinged my scumdar.

I really think lynching a lurker\low-poster would yield scum D1. Brantz is my pick. And not interested in lynching TD, Vezo or Mask in that list.

I like that.

Vote: Brantz

This is Peregrine's only push of the game. It has nothing to do with any posts that he's focused on during the entire game.

It's not a huge case, but reasoning to push him.

Sorry

[Solar Wind]

Yeah, I noticed that. I'm not surprised no one voted PV because of it though.

[Solar Wind]

I mean, a bunch of people were against voting Ceph when I made a long eleven-point case so IDK.

[Imperium]

Everyone else doesn't concern me right now as right after that nacho thought the soft claim meant town, but tso had an equally bad case on TD, and was like meh sticking with TD.

[Heartless]

ACTUALLY
COUNTERPOINT TO SOLAR WIND

pv's role was that everyone on his wagon would be ROLEBLOCKED the following night.

THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD KIND OF DETER BUSSING TO ME

This is a good point.

You still haven't acknowledged that thing.

you can have the hammer, doesn't mean i have to like it. take it.

[T S O]

i think you are f16

your tone is fishy

i think you are scum

VOTE: solar wind

If you're talking about the vezok question that wasn't F-16. That was me.

Most players actually ask my hydra who made a particular post before voting us.

If you don't sign your posts, then why does it matter which head made a post prior to be voted? Why should it matter to the voter, and why are you bringing it up as if it matters?

This is a useless question with an obvious answer: if the voter is voting a hydra because a particular head is scummy, of course it matters to the voter what posts belong to who.

My neighborhood is pretty quiet.
If I had to pick one person in my neiborhood as scum it would be peregrine.

This is a lame reaction.

Piping into say I'm fine with everyone posting - nothing pinged my scumdar.

I really think lynching a lurker\low-poster would yield scum D1. Brantz is my pick. And not interested in lynching TD, Vezo or Mask in that list.

I like that.

Vote: Brantz

This is Peregrine's only push of the game. It has nothing to do with any posts that he's focused on during the entire game.

So, Peregrine is being useless, gives an arguably lame reaction, and votes someone with no build-up. Nacho...

...no, sticking with my boy Tiphaine here.

[T S O]

Actually, I remember coming BACK to Peregrine and YOUR slot being against it.

[T S O]

Yeah, as I ISO people, I'm beginning to realise why you guys wanted Peregrine - there's no actual good lynch here bar MS, there are just null lynches and bad lynches.

I agree on mastin. I could do AP, I guess, but I can't say I'd be thaaat confident he'd flip scum. He could. But if we're going for a "could flip scum" then we're back to Peregrine again.

Yeah, as I ISO people, I'm beginning to realise why you guys wanted Peregrine - there's no actual good lynch here bar MS, there are just null lynches and bad lynches.

I agree on mastin. I could do AP, I guess, but I can't say I'd be thaaat confident he'd flip scum. He could. But if we're going for a "could flip scum" then we're back to Peregrine again.

Peregrine's softclaim of his death bringing positive utility seems town to me.
I didn't catch it at all before.

[Heartless]

(Now, third parties, sure, there can be more than one, but an actual scumteam? No.)

I don't think there's another scum team. Pere flipped mafia, but I thnk it's possible there are more racists. I mean was his role purely designed for ap to kill him?

i think the mass block might have had more scum utility than the day skip

[Imperium]

Yes, I know. I acknowledged that in my first post. Peregrine was a beloved princess in capcom which recently finished and he did that exact same thing. When nacho saw the soft claim, he checked with me to make sure it was the same and it was, hence he pulled back due to the claim.

Pedit to tso

[Imperium]

(Now, third parties, sure, there can be more than one, but an actual scumteam? No.)

I don't think there's another scum team. Pere flipped mafia, but I thnk it's possible there are more racists. I mean was his role purely designed for ap to kill him?

i think the mass block might have had more scum utility than the day skip

Ah, so pere was probably planning to suggest his lynch in a day or two and make sure most of town was on it? Probably would have wanted it towards late game.

[T S O]

Yes, I know. I acknowledged that in my first post. Peregrine was a beloved princess in capcom which recently finished and he did that exact same thing. When nacho saw the soft claim, he checked with me to make sure it was the same and it was, hence he pulled back due to the claim.

Pedit to tso

I don't get it, why would Peregrine do this?

[Imperium]

Yes, I know. I acknowledged that in my first post. Peregrine was a beloved princess in capcom which recently finished and he did that exact same thing. When nacho saw the soft claim, he checked with me to make sure it was the same and it was, hence he pulled back due to the claim.

Pedit to tso

I don't get it, why would Peregrine do this?

I don't pretend to know why Pere does the things he does. In capcom he suggested his lynch when he was a beloved princess by claiming that his death would motivate everyone and that his death would help town if done early enough. His death, did motivate in a sense I guess, but by skipping the night it gave our team the ability to kill the mason cops without getting any of their results out.

[Solar Wind]

ACTUALLY
COUNTERPOINT TO SOLAR WIND

pv's role was that everyone on his wagon would be ROLEBLOCKED the following night.

THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD KIND OF DETER BUSSING TO ME

This is a good point.

You still haven't acknowledged that thing.

you can have the hammer, doesn't mean i have to like it. take it.

If you govern the lynch I'll consider it interference jsyk.

[Heartless]

no intention of doing so anyway. quit micromanaging.

no mood

[dramonic]

Votecount 38: bzy mod been bzy

BeastCharizard (7): Imperium, Skybird, Cephrir, theaceofspades, FourTrouble, TheWayItEnds, Metal Sonic
FourTrouble (4): Ooba, magua, vezokpiraka, Heartless
TiphaineDeath (2): Mastin2, Farside22

Not Voting: Rachmarie, Ankamius, ZZZX, Solar Wind, beastcharizard, The Mask, Bitmap, Xombie, TSO, FourTrouble, TiphaineDeath

23 alive means 12 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-03-02 00:00:00)

Sorry bout the late count, I've been going through some shit IRL, but I'm not forgetting yall!

Trying to find the... 3... replacements <.<

[FourTrouble]

Okay, this weekend I promise I'm gonna get back in this game.

[FourTrouble]

FT if scum could easily bus PV. If he thought that PV was a liability to his team, he'd sooner bus than claim that past experience with PV made him cautious of PV. And I looked through his games: he did in fact play with town and scum PV and PV's play was fairly low-activity in both games as far as I recall. I'm not as sure in my townread of FT though and that's bugging me a little but not enough to vote him today.

lol. You obviously haven't read through the game.

[Solar Wind]

@ FT, I wrote the above text which I think you mistakenly quoted Heartless on.

[FourTrouble]

Ffery, I agree with your strong town list. I'd add ooba, farside, and iHouse to it. What did you think of my analysis re: TD? Also, I agree with this:

18. The Mask - this is a pretty null read. I feel like the abrasiveness is an over the top affectation, and there's very little meat beyond that in his iso.

I've been trying to get a read on Mask since he made his first appearance. There isn't much of a long-term scum strategy behind insulting everyone, so that feels more towny than scummy. But his emotion and content absolutely feels empty. As far as I can tell, he's scumreading me based on my style, so it's almost like he's setting up a dichotomy between his mode of communication (over-the-top emotion) and mine (understated emotion). Or, for example, he says my posts are "polished/prim," which I suppose means he thinks I'm putting effort into the game. He's not putting effort into the game, apparently hates everyone and hates reading through the game, so again he's setting up a dichotomy between my play and his. I dunno if that's a scum-tell (i.e. a very mechanical approach to "scumhunting" draped in an over-the-top expression of emotion definitely rings scummy), or if it just reflects a shitty townie's "FT's style is opposite mine, he must be scum"-style of scumhunting.

11. PeregrineV - I feel like pere always winds up here on day 1 due to heavy-duty lurking. It seems like even heavier duty than normal, though, with very little content

6. Beastcharizard - reading his iso, it's all posturing with no reasoning whatsoever about his stances. I could say the same about Mask, but in Mask's case I don't have any experiential meta to say this is off his usual town play. In beast's case I do.

Re: Pere -- I'm not lynching him Today. I think he's one of the easier players to read when he starts posting more (at least in my experience), so I'd rather wait on this.

Re: Beast -- I agree. His townread on TSO and vote on iHouse suck, especially in the absence of any other substantive content or vote. I'd be willing to vote there.

after the flip:

Pere was by far the most scummy in our neighborhood, so that flip doesn't surprise me.

so....... when was FT going to start this push????? he obviously was looking for something AS INDICATED IN 3649, HE FOUND IT. i don't know

This was explained earlier.

Between Farside, Ankamius, and Pere, Pere who I would have lynched.

But between Pere and everyone else, on D1, I wanted to lynch people I scumread, not people I had no read on but who were likely scum by process of elimination.

I literally just had this argument with someone on the other site that I play mafia with F-16 on. Lynching scumreads is better than lynching inactive players. So, as long as I have a scumread to push instead of an inactive player, I'm gonna push the scumread. Inactives get pushed when all my other reads are townreads.