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Post Post #4450 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:49 pm

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In post 4401, Solar Wind wrote:
In post 4379, farside22 wrote:
In post 4343, Solar Wind wrote:@ Farside, I don't understand this. You went on and on about Rach and now you chose three other people besides Rach into the lynchpool. You say Rach's activity across the site checks out. But that only means that Rach is telling the truth about her RL situation regardless of her alignment here. Why does this necessarily make her town? Why couldn't you wait to see if you get a read on her replacement before you decide who to put on the table for a lynch?

Can you outline your reasons for the three people that you chose?



Some of my scum read was also her activity. Also I think only a few agree with my scum read on her?

I'm curious why you think, when most people disagree with me, that Rachel lynch would happen?

Do you think I should force people to lynch her and put up 2 pro town people to make it happen?

I didn't think that would be a good idea so I asked players for there scum picks, thought about what was said in the game and made the picks.


I can use the ability again so maybe at that point I'll use it selfishly then.


I don't think you should force anything. I think you should have put your three biggest scumreads.



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In post 4397, Ankamius wrote:Solar Wind/Magua/farside22/TSO/Vezokpiraka

What is your current read on TiphaineDeath?

I know at least one of Heartless townreads him. Normally I'd throw support for this wagon immediately since I'm leaning town on the other two slots, but the fact that Mastin is the only one on it right now is making me have second thoughts about whether I'm on the right track about beastcharizard or not.

wut


Td is a scum read. I don't really see anything town. His attacks look fake to me.
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Post Post #4451 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:55 pm

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In post 4432, FourTrouble wrote:I dunno if Beast is town but he's certainly a better lynch than TD.

I think TD's roleblock claim + vote on mastin was incredibly town.


I don't see why.
What else could he do given the circumstances?

In post 4439, TiphaineDeath wrote:Solar is still scum, 4437 is a scum post, can we lynch them yet?


Die scum!

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Post Post #4452 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:17 pm

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die scum, or die idiot?
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Post Post #4453 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:48 pm

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In post 4452, Metal Sonic wrote:die scum, or die idiot?



There is nothing scummy about the post he reference. He's being fake and there is nothing town about that.
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Post Post #4454 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:49 pm

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it looks more idiotic than town though. would you see that garbage coming from scum? no. only from garbage players or pple playing like garbage
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Post Post #4455 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:50 pm

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In post 4437, Solar Wind wrote:
In post 4423, FourTrouble wrote:
Vote beast

What changed your read on TD?


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Post Post #4456 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:01 pm

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In post 4437, Solar Wind wrote:
In post 4423, FourTrouble wrote:
Vote beast

What changed your read on TD?

His roleblock claim. But I gotta rethink that.
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Post Post #4457 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:02 pm

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In post 4451, farside22 wrote:What else could he do given the circumstances?

What do you mean?
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Post Post #4458 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:15 pm

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Did anyone read my post about beast?
I said he is town because of how he reacted not because of his role.
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Post Post #4459 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:11 pm

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@mastin2:
Your FourTrouble-beastcharizard-TiphaineDeath ordering is the opposite of mine.

I am curious of your opinion on TiphaineDeath given his claimed roleblock on you.

- Do you think TiphaineDeath was lying about roleblocking you?

- Do you think his claiming of roleblocking you was scum or town?

Finally, the question I'm most curious about is, why is FourTrouble so town to you? Plzplzplzplz be something other than "it's got to do with stuff in my neighborhood".

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@TSO:
Kindly expand your lack-of-content to why you think scum-aceofspades claims his doublevote D1 when it doesn't show up on vote counts.

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In post 4384, Imperium wrote:Okay magua riddle me this. Your strongest town read has a strong town read on your strongest scum read. You say that you liked the push on you because they came to the same conclusion you did, but that's not accurate at all. In fact, in the post where they voted us, it was a post about how badly my scum game sucks and telling mastin she was wrong. He literally says he doesn't think I'm scum, but he'd help push there to get reactions. He then, in a follow up post, mentions that the last time he fake suspected me, he caught the scum team based on their reactions to his push on me, which indicates that, again, he doesn't suspect us.

Did you miss all that? Why are you skipping over your strong town read's posts concerning their strong town read of us? Why are you ignoring the fact that they pointed out you were wrong about their not being much of me in the thread?

Why aren't you negotiating that?

There's a similar trend with your ooba read and projection of his posts.

You're just flat out ignoring things in thread which negate your reads so you can stay sticky on them. Why aren't you digging? Why are you just commentating?


Welp, this is a mouthful, and I'm going to abbreviate it because this isn't a MD topic.

- I noted I found SOlar Wind's push to be odd, and that I didn't like the oddity, but I still liked that they were pushing you.

- I townread Solar Wind before the push, I scumread you before the push, ie, happiness at the push was a result, the push was not a cause of reads.

- Seeing Solar Wind back off from the push makes me sad, as I continue to believe that I am right and they are wrong, because that's how I roll. But, truth be told, I don't have the energy to argue it against the four of you, and so I'm not bothering because it's not really that useful. Instead I'll wait until Solar Wind is nightkilled and then I'll revisit it.

In regards to letting it drop specifically, well holy fuck, I just don't have time for that. That catch up post was over 60 pages in three days, and let me tell you how much noise that can fuck. I am at the point where I respond to something when I see a reason to do so. (Obviously I see a reason for this response right here right now, so you can skip the obvious retort.) This is the exact reason I'm not bothering to reply to ooba, because how does that go? "I think ooba's posting a lot of fluff." "I'm not posting a lot of fluff, I've got content!" "Let me point out a list of the fluff you're posting!" "That's all content!" "It's fluff!" "It's content!" etc.

Not useful, so I skip it.

I do care what Solar Wind thinks. I do care what mastin thinks (see FourTrouble / TiphaineDeath questions above). If I'm unsure of why they think something, I'll ask. But just because I think they're town doesn't mean I think they're right.

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Xombie's "where did my vote go" feels stupidly fake. Feels like calculated townslip. Do not like at all.

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Ankamius wrote:What is your current read on TiphaineDeath?


Town for unprovoked roleblock claim on mastin at start of Day.

Terrible player who's lynchbait in every game I've seen him in.

Such is life.

Also it's weird that you're asking me when last I looked you thought I was scum because I thought you were scum. PEdit: Nevermind, see you saying that you thought House was town and I'm basically coasting on that so.

Do want you to contribute more and ask questions less though so there's that. You can tell me why you think FourTrouble is town for one.
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Post Post #4460 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:13 pm

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Xombie reaction my fake daycop was weird too, let me remind you
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Post Post #4461 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:00 pm

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In post 4377, Solar Wind wrote:Why Ffery specifically?
Because ffery's more nightkillable. :P

In post 4397, Ankamius wrote:Normally I'd throw support for this wagon immediately since I'm leaning town on the other two slots, but the fact that Mastin is the only one on it right now is making me have second thoughts about whether I'm on the right track about beastcharizard or not.
Town thought: "maybe my read on Mastin is wrong and she's actually town, pushing scum".

Scum thought: "Mastin's scum, so her push on a player can't be on scum".
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Post Post #4462 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:03 pm

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In post 4461, mastin2 wrote:Because ffery's more nightkillable.

So, that's in your write-up on all the players that you wrote in the scum thread?

I don't get the basis behind your Imperium read or lack of follow-through or anything really. I'm concerned that you are appealing to Nacho's soft-spot for townreading players that are paranoid of him. You never really do anything with it even after I vote them.
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Post Post #4463 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:04 pm

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In post 4427, vezokpiraka wrote:The lynch today is between FT and TD.
FT's incredibly town, sooooooooooooo, TD it is!
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Post Post #4464 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:06 pm

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In post 4428, FourTrouble wrote:That leaves Mastin, Skybird, Ace, Beast, TWIE, ZZZX, Cephrir, Rach, TSO, Xombie, and Heartless.
Xombie's 100% not scum.
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Post Post #4465 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:06 pm

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In post 4432, FourTrouble wrote:I think TD's roleblock claim + vote on mastin was incredibly town.
And I thought it was incredibly null!
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Post Post #4466 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:08 pm

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In post 4440, Heartless wrote:/ugh, have to look at td again....
or i can sit on my ass and wait for tth to do it for me
yeah... i might do that
Anti, if you don't get yer lazy ass into the game I'm gonna scumread you off of sheer policy alone.
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Post Post #4467 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:14 pm

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In post 4459, Magua wrote:- Do you think TiphaineDeath was lying about roleblocking you?
- Do you think his claiming of roleblocking you was scum or town?
I have none.
Finally, the question I'm most curious about is, why is FourTrouble so town to you?
Because of everything FT has posted? There's literally nothing scum in his posting. At all. It's just town. Throw in players with experience playing with him vouching for him, and I'm not inclined to lynch him any time remotely soon.

Xombie's "where did my vote go" feels stupidly fake. Feels like calculated townslip. Do not like at all.
Xombie is, 100%, not scum.

Seriously, people, get the message across. YES, I can know both this and that ZX is 100% town. YES, they're both true. YES, both can be proven. Just not something to be done today.
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Post Post #4468 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:21 pm

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In post 4462, Solar Wind wrote:You never really do anything with it even after I vote them.
No shit I didn't do anything with it after you voted them. Your vote was empty. I knew it was empty. Both heads of Imperium knew it was empty. Your vote, as far as I'm concerned, didn't exist; it was still just me.

I don't get the basis behind your Imperium read or lack of follow-through or anything really.
I'm giving it time. Nacho reached out to me.
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Post Post #4469 (ISO) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:35 pm

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In post 4467, mastin2 wrote:Xombie's "where did my vote go" feels stupidly fake. Feels like calculated townslip. Do not like at all.

can confrim that i hate this type of reads that show "fake town slips" i was lynched for doing something like that without knowing.
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Post Post #4470 (ISO) » Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:46 am

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In post 4418, Solar Wind wrote:
Your iso is pretty devoid of reads, aside from sheeping Mastin onto TAOS, which implies a Mastin townread if not a TAOS scumread.


I get that my headspace works a little differently but again,

In post 623, Xombie wrote:And I try and play a little differently to prevent crazy paranoid me by, instead of trying to find every little thing I think could be scummy, I look for things that I'm more comfortable thinking is more towny.


I don't think that this,

Spoiler:
In post 794, Xombie wrote:I'm liking Imperium, mastin, Bitmap, House and maybe Metal Sonic for town.

Still feel the same as this.

In post 869, Xombie wrote:Liking Rach and vezok a bit more for the callouts on those townreads.
Not enough really to place them yet but good vibes.

Rach has gone down a notch from here and Vezok went a notch up.

In post 1093, Xombie wrote:The T S O / House interaction seems petty but makes me more confident in a town House. Unsure on T S O.
I don't get the AP scumreads, I thought his catch up posts were pretty town.
TD's thoughts on the MS/Bitmap exchange kind of mirror mine but that was cleared up with the mod confirmation with them being removed. Still, townpoints for the paranoia.

Feel the same about the House slot, as he's probably one of the only people I feel confident about being able to read decently. Magua isn't doing it any favors but I felt strong enough in a town house that I'm not very bothered with it.
I'm still unsure on TSO. I've had him in and out of my scum pile.


In post 1094, Xombie wrote:
In post 1034, TiphaineDeath wrote:
AP/FT/Faraday/Xombie I want mastin opinions, go.

Absolute last person we would want to lynch today.
Scumhunting god and all.
Pretty sure she's town.

-Pretty

In post 1138, Xombie wrote:
In post 1105, farside22 wrote:
Can you explain the mastin town read to me? She is very null in my view with everything she has said thus far.

The entrance of mastin alone read town to me. I may have a soft-spot for people who make me lol irl, tho.
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In post 682, Solar Wind wrote:Mastin, you're voting someone that Nacho and I are both reading as town. :/
My read's not changing, but alright, as long as you realize I get MASSIVE "I told you so" rights postgame if I'm right. :P

That was one of the main posts that gave me the townread, aside from her carefree posting and super secret neighborhood stuff. :o

She's town. Hands down.

In post 1517, Xombie wrote:And I think farside goes in the townpile too

I actually didn't like farside giving me a townread for the puppy gif I posted to try and distract from the hydra argument. But the more I thought about it, the more I could see it coming more from town than from scum. This is one of the reads that I'd like to revisit when I have more time though because I'm not at all impressed that ace is off the table now.

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In post 3658, The Mask wrote:
@Xombie, it's quiet but why would my neighborhood have a scum in it? It's nice having a friend to share hugs with and I'm scared of being alone.

I was wondering who was in your neighborhood because I was thinking that if AP had to keep everyone in it alive, then for balance reasons, that there was probably both a scum and a town in it.
I had you as probably town, although I think it would be pretty funny if you were scum and had a role thing that had to piss everyone off D1. So I figured if I were right on it, then the other person was probably the scum, especially if that person was ace.
But ooba pointed out that there was something said about not trying to outguess the mod/setup so idk.

The Mask townread is tentative at best and may have an unhealthy dose of speculation attached to it, but he's just felt town so I'm still okay with this one.

In post 3882, Xombie wrote:
In post 3865, Metal Sonic wrote:If that is the case, then the question is. Not "is ZX town", but is "is mastin town"

Mastin is def town. I think Z is, too.

Still applies.


There's also this, that indicates a read on you:

In post 3890, Xombie wrote:
In post 3887, Heartless wrote:VOTE: solar wind

I considered this but the point someone made about it their weird vote switching maybe being paranoia instead of scum tentative pushes gave me pause. They don't really strike me as tentative type people.

D1 I was leaning more toward scum but the above made me rethink when you and Heartless were having the back and forth. If anything, the incredulity of your responses felt genuine in that, at least
you
felt as if you were town.


is in any way 'devoid of reads'. I get that some people think having more town reads than scum reads is scummy but that's just how I try to keep a level head in a game like this. It's a little backwards to how I see most people playing but it works better for me with the way I think.
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Post Post #4471 (ISO) » Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:50 am

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In post 4418, Solar Wind wrote:
You have a choice of three votes. What are your thoughts on them?

Not loving the selection.
Also, another read that applies here is:
In post 2433, Xombie wrote:I still like the ace wagon.

I could compromise on beast. I don't like the unexplained hard-defend on T S O. And I don't think the vote thing screams town to be all 'Look at me, I'm harmless, my vote is 0' only to say that he guarantees his vote will not be 0 tomorrow.

Not voting AP. I feel like that's just a familiarity/meta-manip argument that I'm too disengaged to really look into and ace being first on that wagon doesn't sit well. I'd probably get behind Mastin's vote on TD before that.

Oddly enough, same situation as the end of D1.

I'd probably be voting beast but ace being on that wagon doesn't really give me great confidence in that. I'm trying to weigh how I feel about it.

One of the things I'm not understanding is with regards to TD. I left it at:
In post 3878, Xombie wrote:
In post 3672, Imperium wrote:
In post 3647, Xombie wrote:
In post 3478, Imperium wrote:Mastin - I am asking because there's a chance he actually targetted us. If brambles is related to yiu then he's probably telling the truth. If not, he's lying.

I'm not 100% on this, but I
think
it comes from targetting either you or Solar.

Unless maybe you or Solar targetted TD.

If neither of you targetted TD, I think you're right.

I hope that makes sense because I suck at subtle.


We definitely didn't target TD, can't speak for Solar Wind.


In post 3674, Solar Wind wrote:We didn't target TD either.

I was thinking it was an effect of either targetting or being targetted by Sylvanus. I did a google search for smite gods/brambles and it came up with "Sylvanus fires a line of twisting brambles and roots that roots all enemies they touch for 1/1.5/2/2.5/3 seconds." which I thought would be attributed to Sylvanus' Verdant Growth ability.
I thought it might be some kind of roleblocker effect if you or Solar targetted TD.
Or a side effect of TD targetting either you or Solar, which would mean he was lying about targetting mastin.

Because I don't really think it's something we can definitively figure out without people having to out themselves, though it speaks a little more for him being town than scum. I think people would be more willing to out themselves if it were a caught scum scenario vs town.
So there's that.

And FT is meh. I'm not really sure how I feel about him. Like with you, I think I've put a lot of trust in others (namely, Imperium) ability/familiarity with reading them and have slacked on trying to read them myself because of that.
That, and I didn't really think we'd be in a situation with only three prospects on the table with FT as one of them.

Going to look them all over when I get a chance but as it is right now, not feeling great about any of them. Probably leaning beast.
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Post Post #4472 (ISO) » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:03 am

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Post Post #4473 (ISO) » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:11 am

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In post 4459, Magua wrote:
Xombie's "where did my vote go" feels stupidly fake. Feels like calculated townslip. Do not like at all.

How is that supposed to be some calculated townslip at all? It's not even alignment indicative.

How is me missing the VC originally and not understanding what was going on even a townslip, let alone a calculated one? Errr?
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Post Post #4474 (ISO) » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:12 am

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Zzzx you used to be top poster and my best friend!! What happened! Now you are worst poster and I have a new best friend called "The Mask"
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