SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[Cephrir]

Aero is also left, lost him in the shuffle

[TiphaineDeath]

Because my actions re. him don't make sense from a scum-buddy point of view. "lol my points are still valid fuck you." <3.

[Cephrir]

That's not an answer.

What actions. Why not.

[farside22]

Alright vezo and cephrir, I'll get off my box for now but consider me not happy with rach or her "case"

Vote: ace

[Skybird]

Knowing that the deadline is closing in, I wanted to get an updated/more complete reads list out here. I'm still missing 8 or 9 players and will get to them as soon as I can. RL commitments will have me constrained for the next few days.

Town: FourTrouble, Farside, Imperium, ooba,
Leaning Town: Ankamius, SolarWind, PV
Null: House (leaning town), ZZZX
Leaning Scum: Beast, Ace, Cephrir, Mastin
Out for the Day: Metal Sonic and bitmap

Reasons for the reads

Spoiler:

I’ve re-read FourTrouble’s and Ankamius’ ISOs. I feel good calling FourTrouble town for his questions and engaging others. I’m leaning town on Ankamius. At the beginning of the game he felt scummy, mostly for not wanting to read and his posts complaining about amount of posts to go through. But after that he starts interacting more and his posts read more townish.

I’m still leaning scum on Ace. I re-read his ISO and there’s very little engagement. Granted he has spent a large part of this day defending himself from the plural neighborhoods comment but he only gives one or two reads on people in all this time.

ZZZX is null. His ISO contains a couple of comments in some posts and promises to read and post more tomorrow. I could lynch him if we can’t agree on someone I feel is more scummy.

Ooba’s ISO shows someone who is engaged and actively trying to figure out the game. He provides reads on players and some reasons. I feel he is town.

PV hasn’t posted much but what he has posted so far feels town to me. This is more of a meta read based on the one game we played together.

You gave reasons for a null read but not for a lean town read? Wha?

I told you earlier that I don't trust my town read on you. Your scum game and your town game are too similar for me to figure out this early in the game.

[vezokpiraka]

Alright vezo and cephrir, I'll get off my box for now but consider me not happy with rach or her "case"

Vote: ace

I'm not voting ace because of rach's case.

He's been scummy and absent especially when heat got to him.

[Cephrir]

5) Ankamius - While I hate his entrance and lazy posts of nothing, the way he dropped the Nacho-tell in Post 480 after his initial scumread on Imperium felt incredibly understated and genuine and I loved the follow-up in Post 486.

I don't see what you are seeing here. The initial scumread on Imperium came without reading most of their posts, which doesn't seem town motivated to me. Dropping it because "wrong head" doesn't do all that much for me.

His list of reads in Post 847 feel pretty damn town and his reads on us, Imperium, Rach, and Mastin show a lot of scumhunting depth and I absolutely loved the effort he put into refining his reads in Post 1542 by ISOing his unsorted list and I think it way less likely for scum to be as pro-active since he wasn't under any pressure to do it at all.

You call that depth? It looks pretty fakeable to me.

And the Mastin read is one sentence.

Also, I don't mind the idea of someone putting effort in by ISOing, but it seems to me you are running on the assumption that Ankamius is the type of player to sit back and do nothing as scum rather than trying to look town. I have no reason to think that is the case.

6) Skybird - Although I disliked Brantz's Post 153 as most of his reads are incredibly wishy-washy, I could chalk it down to it being early game and his "My brain wants to scum read everyone who said they aren't going to read any of the discussion from the confirmation stage, but there are a lot of them so I don't think its actually a tell. resonated as it matched my thoughts exactly.

I actually don't mind his wishy washy reads. I tend to not mind that though because it reminds me of me. There were only, like, 5 people tops who said they weren't reading things... I don't see why that precludes it from being analyzed.

his vote on Vezok in Post 500 makes sense given his previous stances.

Consistency isn't hard, is it? I still feel like you're assuming these players are bad.

The rest of his posts up until his replace out felt like he was genuinely trying to keep up and follow leads and actually replacing out shows that it wasn't scum lurking it out.

Yeah maybe.

Skybird's entrance was tonally aggressive and felt town and the way she's looking at interactions between Metal Sonic, Beast, and TheAceOfSpades and her probing them further felt genuine. Overall, fairly certain this slot is town.

I don't find it tonally aggressive? The message is aggressive (MS is scum, I want to vote for him) but is not said in a terribly aggressive way ("that strikes me as X", "his post progression reads more scummy" -- that's passive voice if anything)

Skybird feels new enough that I'm willing to give her a few points for being consistent, but I would like to see her being more proactive.

More coming later. Between a more focused iso and some of your points I don't think I want to lynch Skybird today. I feel nullish on the slot now and I can do better than that.

[House]

21. iHouse (House and Eyestott)House: I am liking House's recent posts more. Is it because he's supporting me a bit? Yeah maybe. Especially since I suspected him earlier, and I like the way he's been doing it. Not lynching here today.

How am I supporting you, and why do you read that as town instead of appeasement?

[House]

Knowing that the deadline is closing in, I wanted to get an updated/more complete reads list out here. I'm still missing 8 or 9 players and will get to them as soon as I can. RL commitments will have me constrained for the next few days.

Town: FourTrouble, Farside, Imperium, ooba,
Leaning Town: Ankamius, SolarWind, PV
Null: House (leaning town), ZZZX
Leaning Scum: Beast, Ace, Cephrir, Mastin
Out for the Day: Metal Sonic and bitmap

Reasons for the reads

Spoiler:

I’ve re-read FourTrouble’s and Ankamius’ ISOs. I feel good calling FourTrouble town for his questions and engaging others. I’m leaning town on Ankamius. At the beginning of the game he felt scummy, mostly for not wanting to read and his posts complaining about amount of posts to go through. But after that he starts interacting more and his posts read more townish.

I’m still leaning scum on Ace. I re-read his ISO and there’s very little engagement. Granted he has spent a large part of this day defending himself from the plural neighborhoods comment but he only gives one or two reads on people in all this time.

ZZZX is null. His ISO contains a couple of comments in some posts and promises to read and post more tomorrow. I could lynch him if we can’t agree on someone I feel is more scummy.

Ooba’s ISO shows someone who is engaged and actively trying to figure out the game. He provides reads on players and some reasons. I feel he is town.

PV hasn’t posted much but what he has posted so far feels town to me. This is more of a meta read based on the one game we played together.

You gave reasons for a null read but not for a lean town read? Wha?

I told you earlier that I don't trust my town read on you. Your scum game and your town game are too similar for me to figure out this early in the game.

I know. I just enjoy reading it. ^^

[Cephrir]

21. iHouse (House and Eyestott)House: I am liking House's recent posts more. Is it because he's supporting me a bit? Yeah maybe. Especially since I suspected him earlier, and I like the way he's been doing it. Not lynching here today.

How am I supporting you, and why do you read that as town instead of appeasement?

I'm not saying you supporting me somewhat is a necessarily town thing, only that it is a thing (and I think that I am subconsciously affected by that). That said, I generally expect people I correctly scumread to behave more at odds with me and see me as an adversary.

I'm actually quite vulnerable to being appeased and buddied and I know this intellectually but it gives me good feels anyway and I'm not great at weeding that out of how I feel about people. And really it doesn't steer me wrong all that often, scum tend to see me as a mislynch target when I'm town more often than they try to get on my good side-- it's not worth it to get on my good side, because except when I'm really on a roll I tend not to be an influential player.

[farside22]

Alright vezo and cephrir, I'll get off my box for now but consider me not happy with rach or her "case"

Vote: ace

I'm not voting ace because of rach's case.

He's been scummy and absent especially when heat got to him.

I know your not. Just grumbling about rach getting away with horrible posting.

[TiphaineDeath]

It may not be the answer you want, but an answer it certainly is. Go iso me, it makes sense, I honestly can't be fucked to help you because the only reasons I don't think you're scum right now is because I remembered solar is.

[Cephrir]

I'm not backing up your statements for you. That is not my job.

[TiphaineDeath]

That's nice.

[House]

Leave Cephrir alone.

His interaction with me was genuine. He's town.

[mastin2]

Could you explain WHY you think I am scum?

Nope, not really. It's a vanity read. I have it, but I'm not going to push it. Wouldn't call it just gut, but since I can't point to anything tangible, gut's the only word I have.

What do you think of the wagon on Ace?

Looks towndriven for the most part and I've thought Ace looks mildly (albeit not severely) scummy.

What other scum reads do you have at this point?

Well, you. And Aeronaught/Blonde. That's about all off the top of my head.

What is your logical analysis of the froo froos?

My analysis of the what what?

[mastin2]

I don't think I'll want to lynch mastin day 1 ever, because she's so useful to keep around if town.

Eh, I wouldn't say always, but more often than not.

I'll be staying around for quite some time this game, though.

'Cause I lied/omitted in my scumhunting god claim before, I actually auto-commute yet can still use actions during the night meaning that anyone targeting me is gonna fail including scum trying to nightkill me. It has an expiration date, though, so after that scum can kill me. So don't you dare think of lynching me before then.

[House]

I don't think I'll want to lynch mastin day 1 ever, because she's so useful to keep around if town.

Eh, I wouldn't say always, but more often than not.

I'll be staying around for quite some time this game, though.

'Cause I lied/omitted in my scumhunting god claim before, I actually auto-commute yet can still use actions during the night meaning that anyone targeting me is gonna fail including scum trying to nightkill me. It has an expiration date, though, so after that scum can kill me. So don't you dare think of lynching me before then.

Why do I feel like you're just making stuff up to draw night actions?

[T S O]

Why do you feel the need to say these things
What town motivation does saying that have

[T S O]

like I am being more protown than you right now and I am being a useless inactive content-lacking fuck

[mastin2]

Why did you immediately dismiss Tammy when she called you scum?

Actually, I didn't.

...I dismissed Tammy after one or two posts.

Please stop trying to use this as a defence, or even an explanation - it impresses raw newbies and no-one else.

Pfft, you'd be surprised.

I feel similarly about Mastin, except that I have a little belief in my own ability to read her once she gets more engaged, which I would like to see happening.

Honestly, I don't think engagement from me is going to happen today. I want it to, but I can't exactly force it. Well, I can, but the results are...well, forced. I don't think I can get natural engagement from the current gamestate. Obviously, I'd love it if I COULD, but right now, I'm not.

I'll keep players from lynching people I think are town, but other than that, not much else.

[Cephrir]

That's nice.

Don't make me use force.

I don't think I'll want to lynch mastin day 1 ever, because she's so useful to keep around if town.

Eh, I wouldn't say always, but more often than not.

I'll be staying around for quite some time this game, though.

'Cause I lied/omitted in my scumhunting god claim before, I actually auto-commute yet can still use actions during the night meaning that anyone targeting me is gonna fail including scum trying to nightkill me. It has an expiration date, though, so after that scum can kill me. So don't you dare think of lynching me before then.

Why do I feel like you're just making stuff up to draw night actions?

Shhhhhh.

[House]

Why do you feel the need to say these things
What town motivation does saying that have

What scum motivation does saying it have?

[House]

What town motivation does saying that have

If mastin2 is a GF/II SK, fishing for night actions D1 is a quick & easy way to get towncred D2.

Fucking duh.

[House]

like I am being more protown than you right now and I am being a useless inactive content-lacking fuck

Your ineptitude has nothing to do with me, so stop putting yourself on a pedestal.